Fukushima is the biggest industrial catastrophe in the history of mankind!

[KissMy]

Arnold Gundersen, a former nuclear industry senior vice president told Al Jazeera News: "Fukushima is the biggest industrial catastrophe in the history of mankind".

"Fukushima is the biggest industrial catastrophe in the history of mankind"

"We have 20 nuclear cores exposed, the fuel pools have several cores each, that is 20 times the potential to be released than Chernobyl," said Gundersen. "The data I'm seeing shows that we are finding hot spots further away than we had from Chernobyl, and the amount of radiation in many of them was the amount that caused areas to be declared no-man's-land for Chernobyl. We are seeing square kilometres being found 60 to 70 kilometres away from the reactor. You can't clean all this up. We still have radioactive wild boar in Germany, 30 years after Chernobyl."

CNN interview of physicist Michio Kaku

CNN: Americans think this crisis is over, or some even think that it is solved or it is contained. Its not. What’s happening right now.

Kaku: In the last two weeks, everything we knew about that accident has been turned upside down. We were told three partial melt downs, don’t worry about it. Now we know it was 100 percent core melt in all three reactors. [We were told that the] Radiation minimal that was released. Now we know it was comparable to radiation at Chernobyl. And as far as evacuation, [we were told], 12 miles and that is it. You don’t have to evacuate more than 12 miles. Now they find hotspots, 4 hot spots, outside the evacuation zone. 34,000 school children now have radiation badges when they go to school.

CNN: Kindergarteners with radiation badges.

Kaku: Down to 4 years of age. Can you imagine that? Kindergarten kids with radiation badges going to school. So all of the mythology of the accident has been turned upside down because the utility has finally fessed up to how severe this accident really was.

CNN: In your view, did they not know how bad it was or they knew and didn’t tell, or they were just completely blown away by the scope of the disaster?

Kaku: I am a physicists and we try to reconstruct the actual accidents in our computers given the feeble amount of information they gave use. We knew it was much more severe than they were saying, because radiation was coming out left and right. So in other words, they lied to us. They knew how much radiation was coming out. The knew how much core meltdown was taking place. But they tried to put a happy face on it.

CNN: As a reported within hours of the earthquake and Tsunami, with hours not even a day, there were already statements from the company and International Atomic Energy Association saying there had been safe shut down of all reactors and we know now of course in the end that simply wasn’t true. But from the very beginning they were trying to tell us that this was a safe situation.

Kaku: Within hours of the accident we now know it was like the keystone cops. People that are clueless, headless, just running around crazy, not knowing what to do. We can now reconstruct that accident minute by minute, hour by hour and we can see this chaos that erupted in the leadership ability.

CNN: What is happening to the people that are working there now.

Kaku: Well as you know workers are getting sent in and they are getting a years worth of radiation within just 10 minutes at a time. At Chernobyl 600,000 workers had to be mobilized. Each one going in for just a few minutes and each one getting a medal from Gorbachev.

CNN: This Will Be A Hundred Year Cleanup? How long with this take to cleanup in you view?

Kaku: 50 to 100 years.

CNN: And we are not there yet. We are not even to the point of talking about the cleanup yet because they haven’t stopped the reaction. It is still happening.

Kaku: Clean up hasn’t even started yet. They are not even looking at getting to cold shutdown until next year. Cold shutdown is when boiling stops. There is boiling water right there at the reactor releasing radiation into the environment and releasing radiation into gigantic vats.

CNN: How are they storing and disposing of this stuff?

Kaku: That is the killer [pun intended?] because we have all of these vats that are filling up now and they may have to dump it into the ocean again. At that point the Chinese, the Koreans, the fisherman they get up all in arms because there is so much damage [ to the reactor cores] that every time you put water [into the reactors to cool the fuel rods that are melting down] it just leaks right out again, highly radioactive, and it is filling up at the site right now.

CNN: So what do they do with it?

Kaku: Right now, they are just counting the gallons as they pile up desperately trying to bring more vats in but once they saturate they are going to have to dump and at that point it is another crisis.

CNN: Lets talk about the radiation in the environment, in the atmosphere. We have been told that it would be measurable but a miniscule amount on the US West Coast and around the world? Is that true?

Kaku: It is still minimal around the world [based on what we are being told from government reported radiation readings]. Most of the damage is concentrated within 20 to 50 miles of the reactor. That is where we have the hotspots, that is where we have 20 times normal amounts of [annual adult] radiation [limits] in school yards outside of the evacuation zone.

Kaku: But in New York City, [based off government released radiation measurements] you can actually see it in the milk. You can actually see it has iodine, 131, actually spiked a little bit in our milk in New York City, but it is very small.

CNN: Just even hearing that, though, even hearing that you can detect it, that there’s a catastrophe, the worst industrial catastrophe in history, we can see it in milk in New York, that’s frightening.

Kaku: That’s right. This could be the grand daddy of all industrial accidents topping Chernobyl at $200 billion, topping the Gulf Oil Spill at $15 billion, topping the Columbia and Challenger disasters out in space at about $10 billion. This could be the world record holder for an industrial accident.

Kaku: Realize Chernobyl was one core’s worth radiation causing a $200 billion accident and it is still on going. Here we have 20 cores worth of radiation. Three totally melted, one damaged and the [rest in] spent fuel pumps, 20 cores worth of highly radioactive materials.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TUM_UQr_hY"]Video of CNN's Michio Kaku Interview[/ame]

 

[JackDan]

what is the wesite link for this?

 

[martybegan]

Another opinion, without any facts to back it up. Again we dont have the report on this. Also if there were hotspots where is the data showing raditation spikes outside the plant trace?


DOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!

 

[KissMy]

what is the wesite link for this?

CNN interview of Michio Kaku

"Fukushima is the biggest industrial catastrophe in the history of mankind"

 

[KissMy]

Another opinion, without any facts to back it up. Again we dont have the report on this. Also if there were hotspots where is the data showing raditation spikes outside the plant trace?


DOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!

"Fukushima is the biggest industrial catastrophe in the history of mankind"

"We have 20 nuclear cores exposed, the fuel pools have several cores each, that is 20 times the potential to be released than Chernobyl," said Gundersen. "The data I'm seeing shows that we are finding hot spots further away than we had from Chernobyl, and the amount of radiation in many of them was the amount that caused areas to be declared no-man's-land for Chernobyl. We are seeing square kilometres being found 60 to 70 kilometres away from the reactor. You can't clean all this up. We still have radioactive wild boar in Germany, 30 years after Chernobyl."

 

[Zander]

I don't care.

 

[Old Rocks]

Of course you don't, you stupid old fool. Your god is Mammon, and whatever happens to other humans in the chase for the gold is irrelevant to people like yourself.

 

[Old Rocks]

And now there is a tank of spent rods in harms way in Nebraska. Of course, we are told daily that the unthinkable cannot happen.

 

[westwall]

What a crock of horsecrap. Here is the wiki link to a listing of disasters, Bhopal certainly ranks way up there with up to 20,000 fatalities. How many have died due to this one? Oh right, none.



September 21, 1921: Oppau explosion in Germany. Occurred when a tower silo storing 4,500 tonnes of a mixture of ammonium sulfate and ammonium nitrate fertilizer exploded at a BASF plant in Oppau, now part of Ludwigshafen, Germany, killing 500–600 people and injuring about 2,000 more.
1932-1968: The Minamata disaster was caused by the dumping of mercury compounds in Minamata Bay, Japan. The Chisso Corporation, a fertilizer and later petrochemical company, was found responsible for polluting the bay for 37 years. It is estimated that over 3,000 people suffered various deformities, severe mercury poisoning symptoms or death from what became known as Minamata disease.
April 16, 1947: Texas City Disaster, Texas. At 9:15 AM an explosion occurred aboard a docked ship named the Grandcamp. The explosion, and subsequent fires and explosions, is referred to as the worst industrial disaster in America. A minimum of 578 people lost their lives and another 3,500 were injured as the blast shattered windows from as far away as 25 mi (40 km). Large steel pieces were thrown more than a mile from the dock. The origin of the explosion was fire in the cargo on board the ship. Detonation of 3,200 tons of ammonium nitrate fertilizer aboard the Grandcamp led to further explosions and fires. The fertilizer shipment was to aid the struggling farmers of Europe recovering from World War II. Although this industrial disaster was one of the largest involving ammonium nitrate, many others have been reported including a recent one in North Korea.
1948: A chemical tank wagon explosion within the BASF's Ludwigshafen, Germany site caused 207 fatalities.
February 3, 1971: The Thiokol-Woodbine Explosion at a Thiokol chemical plant in Georgia kills 29 people and seriously injures 50.
June 1, 1974: Flixborough disaster, England. An explosion at a chemical plant near the village of Flixborough kills 28 people and seriously injures another 36.
July 10, 1976: Seveso disaster, in Seveso, Italy, in a small chemical manufacturing plant of ICMESA. Due to the release of dioxins into the atmosphere and throughout a large section of the Lombard Plain, 3,000 pets and farm animals died and, later, 70,000 animals were slaughtered to prevent dioxins from entering the food chain. In addition, 193 people in the affected areas suffered from chloracne and other symptoms. The disaster lead to the Seveso Directive, which was issued by the European Community and imposed much harsher industrial regulations.
December 3, 1984: The Bhopal disaster in India is one of the largest industrial disaster on record. A faulty tank containing poisonous methyl isocyanate leaked at a Union Carbide plant. Estimates of its death toll range from 4,000 to 20,000. The disaster caused the region's human and animal populations severe health problems to the present.
November 1, 1986: The Sandoz disaster in Schweizerhalle, Switzerland, releasing tons of toxic agrochemicals into the Rhine.
June 28, 1988: Auburn, Indiana, improper mixing of chemicals kills four workers at a local metal-plating plant in the worst confined-space industrial accident in U.S. history; a fifth victim died two days later.[1]
October 23, 1989: Phillips Disaster. Explosion and fire killed 23 and injured 314 in Pasadena, Texas. Registered 3.5 on the Richter scale.
September 21, 2001: Toulouse, France. An explosion at the AZF fertilizer factory killed 29 and injured 2,500. Extensive structural damage to nearby neighbourhoods.
October 4, 2010: Alumina plant accident. Ajka, Kolontár, Devecser and several other settlements, Hungary. The dam of Magyar Aluminium Zrt.'s red mud reservoir broke and the escaping highly toxic and alkaline (~pH 13) sludge flooded several settlements. There were nine victims including a little girl and hundreds of injuries (mostly chemical burns).





List of industrial disasters - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[KissMy]

I don't care.

You may not care, but Japan will care forever. 25 years later Chernobyl is still a Nuclear Disaster Site of Epic Proportions. It caused a radiation disaster bigger than 100 Nuclear Bombs. Japan is going to have it far worse than this. This is going to be worse than the 100+ Nuclear Test Bombs the USA set off in the desert & Our Church Rock, NM Nuclear Disaster.

Revisiting Chernobyl 25 Years Later. A Nuclear Disaster Site of Epic Proportions.​

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbcbyUK5rqQ"]Revisiting Chernobyl: Disaster of Epic Proportions[/ame]

 

[PoliticalChic]

It wasn't when they opened the hula-hoop factory?

 

[martybegan]

Another opinion, without any facts to back it up. Again we dont have the report on this. Also if there were hotspots where is the data showing raditation spikes outside the plant trace?


DOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!

"Fukushima is the biggest industrial catastrophe in the history of mankind"

"We have 20 nuclear cores exposed, the fuel pools have several cores each, that is 20 times the potential to be released than Chernobyl," said Gundersen. "The data I'm seeing shows that we are finding hot spots further away than we had from Chernobyl, and the amount of radiation in many of them was the amount that caused areas to be declared no-man's-land for Chernobyl. We are seeing square kilometres being found 60 to 70 kilometres away from the reactor. You can't clean all this up. We still have radioactive wild boar in Germany, 30 years after Chernobyl."

To be convinced I need to see the dosages of said radiation. Everything is technically radioactive, we contain C-14 that degrades over time, giving humans (and boars) a baseline self dose.

Again, without doses and readings saying something is "radioactive" is meaningless.

Same with "hot spots"

 

[martybegan]

I don't care.

You may not care, but Japan will care forever. 25 years later Chernobyl is still a Nuclear Disaster Site of Epic Proportions. It caused a radiation disaster bigger than 100 Nuclear Bombs. Japan is going to have it far worse than this. This is going to be worse than the 100+ Nuclear Test Bombs the USA set off in the desert & Our Church Rock, NM Nuclear Disaster.

Revisiting Chernobyl 25 Years Later. A Nuclear Disaster Site of Epic Proportions.​

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbcbyUK5rqQ"]Revisiting Chernobyl: Disaster of Epic Proportions[/ame]

At chernobyl there was ejection of core matter and graphite, followed by a graphite fire. The method of radiation release matters just as much as the quantity and quality of the radiation released.

Most of the longer term nucleotides remain in the reactor at Fuksihima, as far as we know so far. At chernobyl the same crap was flung around for miles.

 

[martybegan]

And now there is a tank of spent rods in harms way in Nebraska. Of course, we are told daily that the unthinkable cannot happen.

Which is being montiored and is under control. Using an industries precautionary methods such as notification in benign situations against them is poor form.

The rods are not "in harm's way." The people there understand the issue and have multiple methods of control in case of any failure of control components. Plus around 88 hours to figure something out if the worst case scenario happens.

 

[KissMy]

What a crock of horsecrap. Here is the wiki link to a listing of disasters, Bhopal certainly ranks way up there with up to 20,000 fatalities. How many have died due to this one? Oh right, none.

List of industrial disasters - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

From your wiki link

April 26, 1986: Chernobyl disaster. At the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant in Prypiat, Ukraine a test on reactor number four goes out of control, resulting in a nuclear meltdown. The ensuing steam explosion and fire killed up to 50 people with estimates that there may be between 4,000 and several hundred thousand additional cancer deaths over time. Fallout could be detected as far away as Canada. The Chernobyl Exclusion Zone, covering portions of Belarus and Ukraine surrounding Prypiat, remains poisoned and mostly uninhabited. Prypiat itself was totally evacuated and remains as a ghost town.

Just going by what the Nuclear Experts are saying is this Fukushima disaster may be worse than the Chernobyl. The Japanese government has been busy lying to it's citizens instead of taking adequate measures to protect them. Only time will tell how many plants, animals, fish, birds & humans will be affected or die as a result of Fukushima & how large of a permanent dead zone it will create. Large amounts of Fukushima radioactive material has & will continue to contaminate the oceans.

 

[martybegan]

What a crock of horsecrap. Here is the wiki link to a listing of disasters, Bhopal certainly ranks way up there with up to 20,000 fatalities. How many have died due to this one? Oh right, none.

List of industrial disasters - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

From your wiki link

April 26, 1986: Chernobyl disaster. At the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant in Prypiat, Ukraine a test on reactor number four goes out of control, resulting in a nuclear meltdown. The ensuing steam explosion and fire killed up to 50 people with estimates that there may be between 4,000 and several hundred thousand additional cancer deaths over time. Fallout could be detected as far away as Canada. The Chernobyl Exclusion Zone, covering portions of Belarus and Ukraine surrounding Prypiat, remains poisoned and mostly uninhabited. Prypiat itself was totally evacuated and remains as a ghost town.

Just going by what the Nuclear Experts are saying is this Fukushima disaster may be worse than the Chernobyl. The Japanese government has been busy lying to it's citizens instead of taking adequate measures to protect them. Only time will tell how many plants, animals, fish, birds & humans will be affected or die as a result of Fukushima & how large of a permanent dead zone it will create. Large amounts of Fukushima radioactive material has & will continue to contaminate the oceans.

The operative words are "may be." When it comes to cancer risk you don't really know. Of course chicken littles such as yourself see the "may be" as being "will be" to forward your agenda.

So all those evacuations done in the middle of the after effects of a tsunami and major earthquake is the japanese government not protecting its citizens.

As for a permanent dead zone, it all depends on the breach of contaiment, as well as WHAT nucleotides were released. If it was limited to gaseous short lived nucleotides as well as short lived water nucleotides then the region will recover much much faster.

Again no hard data has come out of the area, until then panicky petes such as yourself will continue to scream the sky is falling.

 

[westwall]

What a crock of horsecrap. Here is the wiki link to a listing of disasters, Bhopal certainly ranks way up there with up to 20,000 fatalities. How many have died due to this one? Oh right, none.

List of industrial disasters - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

From your wiki link

April 26, 1986: Chernobyl disaster. At the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant in Prypiat, Ukraine a test on reactor number four goes out of control, resulting in a nuclear meltdown. The ensuing steam explosion and fire killed up to 50 people with estimates that there may be between 4,000 and several hundred thousand additional cancer deaths over time. Fallout could be detected as far away as Canada. The Chernobyl Exclusion Zone, covering portions of Belarus and Ukraine surrounding Prypiat, remains poisoned and mostly uninhabited. Prypiat itself was totally evacuated and remains as a ghost town.

Just going by what the Nuclear Experts are saying is this Fukushima disaster may be worse than the Chernobyl. The Japanese government has been busy lying to it's citizens instead of taking adequate measures to protect them. Only time will tell how many plants, animals, fish, birds & humans will be affected or die as a result of Fukushima & how large of a permanent dead zone it will create. Large amounts of Fukushima radioactive material has & will continue to contaminate the oceans.

Wiki is notoriously poor on details. So far there are only 43 confirmed deaths from Chernobyl. But I'll let George Monbiot speak for me. For those who don't know he is an environmentalist who writes for English publications and is an avowed alarmist. So his review of the nuclear accidents is quite amazing.



Evidence Meltdown

April 4, 2011




The green movement has misled the world about the dangers of radiation.



By George Monbiot. Published in the Guardian 5th April 2011

Over the past fortnight I’ve made a deeply troubling discovery. The anti-nuclear movement to which I once belonged has misled the world about the impacts of radiation on human health. The claims we have made are ungrounded in science, unsupportable when challenged and wildly wrong. We have done other people, and ourselves, a terrible disservice.

I began to see the extent of the problem after a debate last week with Helen Caldicott(1). Dr Caldicott is the world’s foremost anti-nuclear campaigner. She has received 21 honorary degrees and scores of awards, and was nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize(2). Like other greens, I was in awe of her. In the debate she made some striking statements about the dangers of radiation. So I did what anyone faced with questionable scientific claims should do: I asked for the sources. Caldicott’s response has profoundly shaken me.

First she sent me nine documents: newspaper articles, press releases and an advertisement. None were scientific publications; none contained sources for the claims she had made. But one of the press releases referred to a report by the US National Academy of Sciences, which she urged me to read. I have now done so – all 423 pages(3). It supports none of the statements I questioned: in fact it strongly contradicts her claims about the health effects of radiation.

I pressed her further and she gave me a series of answers that made my heart sink – in most cases they referred to publications which either had little or no scientific standing, which did not support her claims or which contradicted them. (I have posted our correspondence(4a,4b), and my sources, on my website). I have just read her book Nuclear Power is not the Answer(5). The scarcity of references to scientific papers and the abundance of unsourced claims it contains amaze me.

But it gets worse; much worse. For the past 25 years, anti-nuclear campaigners have been racking up the figures for deaths and diseases caused by the Chernobyl disaster, and parading deformed babies like a mediaevel circus. They now claim that 985,000 people have been killed by Chernobyl, and that it will continue to slaughter people for generations to come. These claims are false.

The UN Scientific Committee on the Effects of Atomic Radiation (Unscear) is the equivalent of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. Like the IPCC, it calls on the world’s leading scientists to assess thousands of papers and produce an overview. Here is what it says about the impacts of Chernobyl.

Of the workers who tried to contain the emergency at Chernobyl, 134 suffered acute radiation syndrome; 28 died soon afterwards. Nineteen others died later, but generally not from diseases associated with radiation(6). The remaining 87 have suffered other complications, included four cases of solid cancer and two of leukaemia. In the rest of the population, there have been 6,848 cases of thyroid cancer among young children, arising “almost entirely” from the Soviet Union’s failure to prevent people from drinking milk contaminated with iodine 131(7). Otherwise, “there has been no persuasive evidence of any other health effect in the general population that can be attributed to radiation exposure.”(8) People living in the countries affected today “need not live in fear of serious health consequences from the Chernobyl accident.”(9)

Caldicott told me that Unscear’s work on Chernobyl is “a total cover-up”(10). Though I have pressed her to explain, she has yet to produce a shred of evidence for this contention.

In a column last week, the Guardian’s environment editor, John Vidal, angrily denounced my position on nuclear power(11). On a visit to Ukraine in 2006, he saw “deformed and genetically mutated babies in the wards … adolescents with stunted growth and dwarf torsos; foetuses without thighs or fingers”. What he did not see was evidence that these were linked to the Chernobyl disaster.

Professor Gerry Thomas, who worked on the health effects of Chernobyl for Unscear, tells me that there is “absolutely no evidence” for an increase in birth defects(12). The National Academy paper which Dr Caldicott urged me to read came to similar conclusions. It found that radiation-induced mutation in sperm and eggs is such a small risk “that it has not been detected in humans, even in thoroughly studied irradiated populations such as those of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.”(13)

Like John Vidal and many others, Helen Caldicott pointed me to a book which claims that 985,000 people have died as a result of the disaster(14). Translated from Russian and published by the Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences, this is the only document which looks scientific and appears to support the wild claims made by greens about Chernobyl.

A devastating review in the journal Radiation Protection Dosimetry points out that the book achieves its figure by the remarkable method of assuming that all increased deaths from a wide range of diseases – including many which have no known association with radiation – were caused by the accident(15). There is no basis for this assumption, not least because screening in many countries improved dramatically after the disaster and, since 1986, there have been massive changes in the former eastern bloc. The study makes no attempt to correlate exposure to radiation with the incidence of disease(16).

Its publication seems to have arisen from a confusion about whether the Annals was a book publisher or a scientific journal. The academy has given me this statement: “In no sense did Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences or the New York Academy of Sciences commission this work; nor by its publication do we intend to independently validate the claims made in the translation or in the original publications cited in the work. The translated volume has not been peer-reviewed by the New York Academy of Sciences, or by anyone else.”(17)

Failing to provide sources, refuting data with anecdote, cherry-picking studies, scorning the scientific consensus, invoking a cover-up to explain it: all this is horribly familiar. These are the habits of climate change deniers, against which the green movement has struggled valiantly, calling science to its aid. It is distressing to discover that when the facts don’t suit them, members of this movement resort to the follies they have denounced.

We have a duty to base our judgements on the best available information. This is not just because we owe it to other people to represent the issues fairly, but also because we owe it to ourselves not to squander our lives on fairytales. A great wrong has been done by this movement. We must put it right.



George Monbiot – Evidence Meltdown

 

[Zander]

I don't care.

You may not care, but Japan will care forever. 25 years later Chernobyl is still a Nuclear Disaster Site of Epic Proportions. It caused a radiation disaster bigger than 100 Nuclear Bombs. Japan is going to have it far worse than this. This is going to be worse than the 100+ Nuclear Test Bombs the USA set off in the desert & Our Church Rock, NM Nuclear Disaster.

Revisiting Chernobyl 25 Years Later. A Nuclear Disaster Site of Epic Proportions.​

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbcbyUK5rqQ"]Revisiting Chernobyl: Disaster of Epic Proportions[/ame]

I still don't care.