Ft. Hood: A Gun-Free Zone

[Oddball]

So......It's an Army post, yet none of these highly trained military personnel can carry?

A Gun-Free Zone at Ft. Hood
by Jacob G. Hornberger

With the massacre at Ft. Hood, we once again see the consequences of gun control.

Remember what the gun controllers say: that once gun control is imposed, would-be murderers will obey the gun-control law by resorting to some other form of murder. At least the killers won’t use a gun, the gun-controllers exclaim, because gun possession is now against the law.

Yet, once again that reasoning hasn’t panned out at Ft. Hood, any more than it panned out at Virginia Tech, Columbine High School, Luby’s Cafeteria in Killeen, Texas, or, for that matter, on the streets of Washington, D.C., the gun-control, murder capital of America.

Hornberger's Blog - November 2009

 

[SFC Ollie]

You would think that people in the military would have an abundance of Privately owned weapons, and you would be right. However you have to keep your weapons in an authorized arms room and have to sign them out only when you are going to a range or hunting. I don't believe there is any concealed carry authorized on any military base.

But I do believe in Gun Control

Always use two hands.

 

[Oddball]

Right.

But you'd think that you'd have some MPs or LEs or whathaveya within striking distance, rather than having the civie cops come in to put that nut down.

 

[bodecea]

Right.

But you'd think that you'd have some MPs or LEs or whathaveya within striking distance, rather than having the civie cops come in to put that nut down.

On most military bases now...the civie rent-a-cops are what you have. Contracted out.

 

[Missourian]

Right.

But you'd think that you'd have some MPs or LEs or whathaveya within striking distance, rather than having the civie cops come in to put that nut down.

On most military bases now...the civie rent-a-cops are what you have. Contracted out.

Not "rent-a-cops"...civilian DoD police.

 

[KittenKoder]

Wait a fucking minute?

They made a military location "gun free"? Are people really this stupid?

 

[AllieBaba]

I voiced my opinion on this earlier. It's idiotic that on a military base, there's no one around to pop one off into a crazed butcher.

 

[SFC Ollie]

I voiced my opinion on this earlier. It's idiotic that on a military base, there's no one around to pop one off into a crazed butcher.

Fact is that they responded very quickly. Much better than most civilian police forces would have. Also before the firing ended there were people performing first aid on the wounded, Again you won't find that in the civilian world.

In fact there is one troop who though wounded twice was pulling others out of the range of fire.

Pfc. James Armstrong I hope he receives the Soldiers Medal. Though I'm not positive of the criteria, might not be eligible because we are at war.

 

[Paulie]

You would think that people in the military would have an abundance of Privately owned weapons, and you would be right. However you have to keep your weapons in an authorized arms room and have to sign them out only when you are going to a range or hunting. I don't believe there is any concealed carry authorized on any military base.

But I do believe in Gun Control

Always use two hands.

There's PLENTY of concealed carry though, from military members who have checked out weapons for duty or personal use.

At any given time, BESIDES the military police, there should be plenty of people with a firearm handy.

 

[Oddball]

Fact is that they responded very quickly. Much better than most civilian police forces would have. Also before the firing ended there were people performing first aid on the wounded, Again you won't find that in the civilian world.

In fact there is one troop who though wounded twice was pulling others out of the range of fire.

Pfc. James Armstrong I hope he receives the Soldiers Medal. Though I'm not positive of the criteria, might not be eligible because we are at war.

Bronze Star?

3. Criteria: a. The Bronze Star Medal is awarded to any person who, while serving in any capacity in or with the military of the United States after 6 December 1941, distinguished himself or herself by heroic or meritorious achievement or service, not involving participation in aerial flight, while engaged in an action against an enemy of the United States; while engaged in military operations involving conflict with an opposing foreign force; or while serving with friendly foreign forces engaged in an armed conflict against an opposing armed force in which the United States is not a belligerent party.

Bronze Star

I'd say it's quite arguable that Hassan became an enemy the moment he pulled the trigger.

 

[SFC Ollie]

Fact is that they responded very quickly. Much better than most civilian police forces would have. Also before the firing ended there were people performing first aid on the wounded, Again you won't find that in the civilian world.

In fact there is one troop who though wounded twice was pulling others out of the range of fire.

Pfc. James Armstrong I hope he receives the Soldiers Medal. Though I'm not positive of the criteria, might not be eligible because we are at war.

Bronze Star?

3. Criteria: a. The Bronze Star Medal is awarded to any person who, while serving in any capacity in or with the military of the United States after 6 December 1941, distinguished himself or herself by heroic or meritorious achievement or service, not involving participation in aerial flight, while engaged in an action against an enemy of the United States; while engaged in military operations involving conflict with an opposing foreign force; or while serving with friendly foreign forces engaged in an armed conflict against an opposing armed force in which the United States is not a belligerent party.

Bronze Star

I'd say it's quite arguable that Hassan became an enemy the moment he pulled the trigger.

I could go for that.

 

[kyzr]

I'm not buying the PC bullshit the army is selling here. In NJ there was a Ft. Dix plot by 6 terrorists who would have been heavily armed with assault rifles and grenades. Suppose 20 would have attacked Ft. Hood instead of one guy with pistols (which are not very accurate to begin with).

U.S. Thwarts 19 Terrorist Attacks Against America Since 9/11

The army does not get the threat, and still clings to PC and "diversity". This stupidity is costing lives and new recruits.

 

[eots]

You would think that people in the military would have an abundance of Privately owned weapons, and you would be right. However you have to keep your weapons in an authorized arms room and have to sign them out only when you are going to a range or hunting. I don't believe there is any concealed carry authorized on any military base.

But I do believe in Gun Control

Always use two hands.

I have it on expert opinion the reason for this is that the soldiers might consider having a gun the advantage they need in hand to hand to take on their platoon leader and kill him

 

[eots]

I'm not buying the PC bullshit the army is selling here. In NJ there was a Ft. Dix plot by 6 terrorists who would have been heavily armed with assault rifles and grenades. Suppose 20 would have attacked Ft. Hood instead of one guy with pistols (which are not very accurate to begin with).

U.S. Thwarts 19 Terrorist Attacks Against America Since 9/11

The army does not get the threat, and still clings to PC and "diversity". This stupidity is costing lives and new recruits.

oh shut up ...worm

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[Oddball]

You would think that people in the military would have an abundance of Privately owned weapons, and you would be right. However you have to keep your weapons in an authorized arms room and have to sign them out only when you are going to a range or hunting. I don't believe there is any concealed carry authorized on any military base.

But I do believe in Gun Control

Always use two hands.

I have it on expert opinion the reason for this is that the soldiers might consider having a gun the advantage they need in hand to hand to take on their platoon leader and kill him

And your "expert opinion" tops that of a retired E-7 in what way?

 

[Terry]

I've heard this topic being discussed a few times. One side thinks all active duty personal should be carrying a side arm while on duty, others think the opposite.

I'm in the middle, yes I think at least all Military should have to qualify with a weapon. Some career fields in the AF haven't fired a weapon since Basic Training.

As of now I think the reason why they all are not carrying weapons is for a few reasons. Most installations are a small town within a town. Schools, stores and such. I know all installations has a force protection plan based on many different scenarios. When someone is bent on committing harry carry there isn't must you can do. Most of our force protection plans are geared to an attack where a truck with explosives would ram past the gates. I suppose you can bet your sweet butt that all force protection specialist are redesigning their plans to include what happened at Ft. Hood.

I just don't see how a Military Gate personal could have foreseen this guy doing that. There should I think at least be in each building two individuals armed at all times. This probably could have saved many lives. Perhaps that plan will be adopted.

 

[eots]

You would think that people in the military would have an abundance of Privately owned weapons, and you would be right. However you have to keep your weapons in an authorized arms room and have to sign them out only when you are going to a range or hunting. I don't believe there is any concealed carry authorized on any military base.

But I do believe in Gun Control

Always use two hands.

I have it on expert opinion the reason for this is that the soldiers might consider having a gun the advantage they need in hand to hand to take on their platoon leader and kill him

And your "expert opinion" tops that of a retired E-7 in what way?

its an experts opinion not mine...

 

[Oddball]

AKA hearsay.

 

[The T]

I've heard this topic being discussed a few times. One side thinks all active duty personal should be carrying a side arm while on duty, others think the opposite.

I'm in the middle, yes I think at least all Military should have to qualify with a weapon. Some career fields in the AF haven't fired a weapon since Basic Training.

As of now I think the reason why they all are not carrying weapons is for a few reasons. Most installations are a small town within a town. Schools, stores and such. I know all installations has a force protection plan based on many different scenarios. When someone is bent on committing harry carry there isn't must you can do. Most of our force protection plans are geared to an attack where a truck with explosives would ram past the gates. I suppose you can bet your sweet butt that all force protection specialist are redesigning their plans to include what happened at Ft. Hood.

I just don't see how a Military Gate personal could have foreseen this guy doing that. There should I think at least be in each building two individuals armed at all times. This probably could have saved many lives. Perhaps that plan will be adopted.

At least THOSE charged WITH security of the base shoulda been armed? But here we are at a quandry? *WE* are at war? Correct?

(Yeah I understand that certain politicals think we are NOT, but we have folks overseas taking HEAT...in COMBAT meaning we are AT WAR)...

Therefore as any war we have ever been in WWII being a striking example? Arm 'em period until our folks are home and the situation is resolved over there...

Why should our posture change just because the guns aren't blazing in the CONUS? Seems to me we had a glaring example last week. The Jhihadists will stoop at any weakness.

The Jury is still out as to whether this guy acted ALONE, or at the behest of others...but the fact is the mindset exists. This guy proved it regardless of circumstance...many died as a result.

ARM 'Em. Period.

That will not change from herin. Seems this was a wakeup call. Sad but true. These islamists are entrenched everywhere.

MY .02 and you DO cite a good opinion, T...But I take it from a different mindest.

The PC shit has to STOP. We are at WAR the last time I checked..(<--NOT Directed at YOU, T)...

 

[eots]

AKA hearsay.

AKA sfc ollie