From The "illegal" Iraqi Government

[RetiredGySgt]

The refrain of cut and run gets louder and louder, This fellow from the Government of Iraq has it EXACTLY right.

We broke it, we have an OBLIGATION to fix it. As for the Maineman refrain of Jeffersonian Democracy, let it rest, that wasn't gonna happen anyway. But they do have democracy right now and it CAN and DOES work. AND they are fighting FOR it.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070709/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq

 

[red states rule]

Libs would rather appease the terrorists and allow the terrorists start the slaughter of those who stood with the US - all for political gain

 

[DeadCanDance]

The refrain of cut and run gets louder and louder, This fellow from the Government of Iraq has it EXACTLY right.

We broke it, we have an OBLIGATION to fix it. As for the Maineman refrain of Jeffersonian Democracy, let it rest, that wasn't gonna happen anyway. But they do have democracy right now and it CAN and DOES work. AND they are fighting FOR it.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070709/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq

How's the kool aid taste? No amount of desparate spin, is going to change the central fact that your president launched an unneccessary war, a failed war, and he has tarnished american's reputation.

And since when did we take orders from the so called iraqi govenment? Of course the shia want us to stay, and continue to kill their sunni enemies. Their so-called government is nothing more than a collection of sectarian militias.

 

[dilloduck]

How's the kool aid taste? No amount of desparate spin, is going to change the central fact that your president launched an unneccessary war, a failed war, and he has tarnished american's reputation.

And since when did we take orders from the so called iraqi govenment? Of course the shia want us to stay, and continue to kill their sunni enemies. Their so-called government is nothing more than a collection of sectarian militias.

Hell--the whole mideast is nothing but sectarian militias

 

[maineman]

As for the Maineman refrain of Jeffersonian Democracy, let it rest, that wasn't gonna happen anyway. But they do have democracy right now and it CAN and DOES work.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070709/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq

That certainly was the goal of this administration: a vibrant multicultural Jeffersonian democracy that would shine like a beacon of freedom casting light into all the shadows of the Islamic world and spreading the American dream of democratic peace and capitalistic prosperity across the entire middle east region.

And again...for you to claim that the totally ineffective debating society called the Maliki government is a working democracy is just another indication of just how blindly cravenly partisan you really are.

Republicans are abandoning this president like rats leaving a sinking ship, but not good old RGS. You can count on him to keep rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic and keep proclaiming that everything will be just fine as long as we stay the course a little bit longer...as long as we sacrifice just a few more thousand American men and a few more billion American tax dollars.

You try - unsuccessfully - to pass off shameless pompom waving as "informed" opinion and it would make me laugh a lot harder if the support from assholes like you had not allowed this little chimp of a president to flush the lives of 3600 fine young Americans down the shitter.

I hope that you live long enough for the wave of guilt and shame you so richly deserve to finally catch up to you.

 

[red states rule]

The Fight Against al-Qaida in Iraq
By Rich Lowry

"America good! Al-Qaida bad!" -- A trader in the Qatana bazaar, Ramadi, Iraq

This is a sentiment that the Iraqi trader felt safe to utter as a visiting U.S. general passed by, according to John Burns of The New York Times, only after a furtive glance "up and down the narrow refuse-strewn street to check who might be listening." In a microcosm, this is the reason why we are finally making progress against al-Qaida in Iraq. The protection afforded by American combat power has made it possible for Iraqis in Sunni areas to turn against the terror group.

In a global struggle against Islamic extremism, it is an incontestably welcome development that ordinary Sunnis in the Arab heartland are spurning al-Qaida. The extremist group has been on a campaign of savagery in Iraq that has discredited its own cause. The grassroots revolt against it means that it is within our reach to deny al-Qaida its most important current geopolitical objective, which is plunging Iraq into a bloody chaos in which it can thrive.


But a group of Republican senators have picked precisely this moment to call for deconstructing the troop surge that has begun to give us the upper hand against al-Qaida. They thus reveal a key dishonesty in the debate over the war. Everyone professes to want to fight al-Qaida in Iraq -- as opposed to policing the sectarian war -- but the number of politicians willing to support the means to that end is ever-dwindling.

Al-Qaida relies on intimidation to impose itself on the Sunni community, and succeeds unless driven back by a stronger force, i.e. the U.S. military. In his report from Anbar province, John Burns notes that the Sunni "sheiks turned only after a prolonged offensive by American and Iraqi forces, starting in November, that put al-Qaida groups on the run." He continues, "Iraqis, bludgeoned for 24 years by Saddam Hussein's terror, are wary of rising against any force however brutal, until it is in retreat."

for the complete article

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/07/abandoning_the_fight_against_a.html

 

[actsnoblemartin]

That is not true. Israel is not sectarian, unlike other middle eastern countries, it is not muslim or die.

Hell--the whole mideast is nothing but sectarian militias

 

[actsnoblemartin]

I see no evidence bush lied, all the intellegence agencies of major countries thought he had weapons. Its so easy for you to say in hindsight it was unneccesary, but we didnt have the benefit of hindsight. We made a mistake, get over it. Either help us fix it, or get out of the way. Leaving is saying, free country for grabs, I dont think thats a good idea. And you have a good point, i wouldnt take orders from any government but the u.s.a, and frankly, i dont give a dam what a bunch of elitist snob socialist countries think of us. A lot of them are run by dictators, and i should care, if they like us?. As long as we like ourselves, screw what the rest of the world thinks of us. Hindsight is twenty twenty for a reason.

How's the kool aid taste? No amount of desparate spin, is going to change the central fact that your president launched an unneccessary war, a failed war, and he has tarnished american's reputation.

And since when did we take orders from the so called iraqi govenment? Of course the shia want us to stay, and continue to kill their sunni enemies. Their so-called government is nothing more than a collection of sectarian militias.

 

[actsnoblemartin]

Damit maineman, you can make your point without cursing. Stop being so fucking mean to people you disagree with. Jesus christ, the venom in your words, you act like you wanna shoot him, simply for disagreeing with you!

That certainly was the goal of this administration: a vibrant multicultural Jeffersonian democracy that would shine like a beacon of freedom casting light into all the shadows of the Islamic world and spreading the American dream of democratic peace and capitalistic prosperity across the entire middle east region.

And again...for you to claim that the totally ineffective debating society called the Maliki government is a working democracy is just another indication of just how blindly cravenly partisan you really are.

Republicans are abandoning this president like rats leaving a sinking ship, but not good old RGS. You can count on him to keep rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic and keep proclaiming that everything will be just fine as long as we stay the course a little bit longer...as long as we sacrifice just a few more thousand American men and a few more billion American tax dollars.

You try - unsuccessfully - to pass off shameless pompom waving as "informed" opinion and it would make me laugh a lot harder if the support from assholes like you had not allowed this little chimp of a president to flush the lives of 3600 fine young Americans down the shitter.

I hope that you live long enough for the wave of guilt and shame you so richly deserve to finally catch up to you.

 

[actsnoblemartin]

maineman, with all due respect, I say.. Give the surge until atleast september to see if it works. Then re-evalute it.

I simply am not ready to say, lets pack out bags and leave because with iran trying to get a nuke, until that threat is taken care, how can we leave the region, when we will probably have to come back anyway?

 

[red states rule]

maineman, with all due respect, I say.. Give the surge until atleast september to see if it works. Then re-evalute it.

I simply am not ready to say, lets pack out bags and leave because with iran trying to get a nuke, until that threat is taken care, how can we leave the region, when we will probably have to come back anyway?

He won't. Like most in his party he wants the US to lose in Iraq - it is in the best interest of his party

 

[maineman]

He won't. Like most in his party he wants the US to lose in Iraq - it is in the best interest of his party

more flatulent rhetoric filled with lies. Everyone loses if we lose in Iraq. This is why I am really growing tired of you.

 

[red states rule]

more flatulent rhetoric filled with lies. Everyone loses if we lose in Iraq. This is why I am really growing tired of you.

Tired of having the true intentions of the left exposed to the light of truth?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

more flatulent rhetoric filled with lies. Everyone loses if we lose in Iraq. This is why I am really growing tired of you.

Yet you openly support a party that DEMANDS an immediant pull out and a vacuum in Iraq.

 

[actsnoblemartin]

if we left right this minute as the democratic party wants, what do you believe would happen retired, who would fill the vacuum retired, and what would the long term consequences for iraq, middle east, and the u.s. be?

Yet you openly support a party that DEMANDS an immediant pull out and a vacuum in Iraq.

 

[red states rule]

Yet you openly support a party that DEMANDS an immediant pull out and a vacuum in Iraq.

It is not surrender - it is a "redeployment" away from where the enemy is

 

[maineman]

Yet you openly support a party that DEMANDS an immediant pull out and a vacuum in Iraq.

everyone loses when we lose in Iraq... unfortunately, I believe it is a lost cause. I believe it is a cause we never should have undertaken...I believe it is an endeavor which takes us away from the real cause we should be fighting. We need to take our lumps and realize that we are now like a gambler who has pumped a bag of quarters into a slot machine and some of us(you) feel compelled to keep sitting at the slot and keep pumping in quarters (men and dollars and goodwill) in hopes of actually hitting the jackpot.

Do you understand that the administration set benchmarks for the Iraqi government and they have met NONE of them?

The fact that YOU continue to support this war and wave pompoms for this war is the true disgrace.

 

[red states rule]

everyone loses when we lose in Iraq... unfortunately, I believe it is a lost cause. I believe it is a cause we never should have undertaken...I believe it is an endeavor which takes us away from the real cause we should be fighting. We need to take our lumps and realize that we are now like a gambler who has pumped a bag of quarters into a slot machine and some of us(you) feel compelled to keep sitting at the slot and keep pumping in quarters (men and dollars and goodwill) in hopes of actually hitting the jackpot.

Do you understand that the administration set benchmarks for the Iraqi government and they have met NONE of them?

The fact that YOU continue to support this war and wave pompoms for this war is the true disgrace.

The Dems game plan for fighting terrorists and the war on terror

 

[maineman]

The Dems game plan for fighting terrorists and the war on terror

au contraire, I want to fight the war against islamic extremism.... (the "war on terror" is too vague a term...how can you have a war against "fear"?) I firmly believe that we need to actually start fighting that war and extricate ourselves from the sunni-shiite sectarian struggle in Iraq which has nothing to do with the war against islamic extremists.

Oh...and did you notice the little bit about AL Qaeda threatening Iran? And here I thought you told me that they were going to join together to rule Iraq against the will of the Iraqi people? what's up?

 

[dilloduck]

au contraire, I want to fight the war against islamic extremism.... (the "war on terror" is too vague a term...how can you have a war against "fear"?) I firmly believe that we need to actually start fighting that war and extricate ourselves from the sunni-shiite sectarian struggle in Iraq which has nothing to do with the war against islamic extremists.

Oh...and did you notice the little bit about AL Qaeda threatening Iran? And here I thought you told me that they were going to join together to rule Iraq against the will of the Iraqi people? what's up?

You're crazy if you don't think sectarian differences has nothing to do with the WOT.