French Suburbs Becoming 'Separate Islamic Societies'

[High_Gravity]

What's wrong with sitting outside in the dark?

I like guzzling 40s outside in the dark.

Yeah, and I like eating Church's Spicy fried chicken outside in the dark.

 

[Tank]

 

[Mr. Shaman]

French Suburbs Becoming 'Separate Islamic Societies'

....Kinda like gated-communities, in the U.S., right?

 

[High_Gravity]

French Suburbs Becoming 'Separate Islamic Societies'

....Kinda like gated-communities, in the U.S., right?

Thats not the same thing idiot.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Please note that it was Deists (Deism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) that created our Bill of Rights.

Who was that.....James Madison?.....he was an Episcopalian (altho some claim he had some Deistic ideas).....George Mason?....he was Anglican, Episcopalian....there was also input on the Bill of Rights from the various states....


In any case.....please note the religions of the delegates to the 1787 Constitutional Convention....you know.....those people who represented the states that actually ratified and signed our Constitution and the Bill of Rights into law....

Lambert (2003) has examined the religious affiliations and beliefs of the Founders. Of the 55 delegates to the 1787 Constitutional Convention, 49 were Protestants, and three were Roman Catholics (C. Carroll, D. Carroll, and Fitzsimons). Among the Protestant delegates to the Constitutional Convention, 28 were Church of England (or Episcopalian, after the American Revolutionary War was won), eight were Presbyterians, seven were Congregationalists, two were Lutherans, two were Dutch Reformed, and two were Methodists.

A few prominent Founding Fathers were anti-clerical Christians, such as Thomas Jefferson[13][14][15] (who created the so-called "Jefferson Bible") and Benjamin Franklin.[16] A few others (most notably Thomas Paine) were deists, or at least held beliefs very similar to those of deists.[17]

Founding Fathers of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

James Madison (widely held to be mostly deist in his religious ideology) is the creator of the Bill of Rights, and considered to be the founder of our Constitution.

He did not like organized religion much. Most of them did not.

Quit trying to rewrite history.....CHRISTIANS were the ones who actually approved the Bill of Rights no matter who "wrote" them.....James Madison was an Episcopalian although with deist ideas......99% of the Founders were Protestant CHRISTIANS (nary a muslim in sight) and were each members of their own preferred organized religions separate and apart from other religions (hence the "freedom of religion" thing)....and they even held PRAYER every morning at the Constitutional Convention once Benjamin Franklin suggested it....today's godless liberals (of which there weren't any back then) would have had a coronary.........

It had been a long, hot summer in Philadelphia and it promised to get even hotter. Delegates from 12 of the original 13 colonies had gathered at Independence Hall to ponder the failures of their new Country. The ARTICLES OF CONFEDERATION that had been drafted during the American Revolution were grossly inadequate and the lingering reminders of SHAYS' REBELLION nurtured fears of growing anarchy in the new United States of America. The threats of anarchy without were nothing compared to the anarchy that seemed to reign within the halls of government. More than 50 powerful men, each with individual agendas (and egos) struggled to find a system of government for their new nation. The near record heat and humidity, combined with these human factors, caused the "Constitutional Convention" to become a verbal brawl with little hope of compromise or progress. Several National leaders such as Patrick Henry had refused to participate. Thomas Jefferson and John Adams were serving abroad. Some delegates had left the convention in disgust to return home. George Washington, who had held together a rag-tag Army of the Potomac against incredible odds and freezing winters during the Revolutionary War, seemed powerless as President of the convention to hold together the four dozen men who verbally bashed each other daily. If the Articles of Confederation were dismal failures, the effort to replace them with a better form of government seemed even worse.



At the age of 81 Dr. Benjamin Franklin of Pennsylvania was the oldest member in the hall. Frail and not in the best of health, he had watched for weeks as his fellow delegates wasted their time with endless and meaningless debate. Like those who had gone home in disgust, he had had his "fill" of the sorry proceeding. As the close of business approached on June 28th he could hold his peace and ignore the problem no longer. "Sage" of the convention, the wise old man caught the attention of George Washington and asked to be heard.


"Mr. President," Dr. Franklin began.

"The small progress we have made after four or five weeks' close attendance and continual reasonings with each other--our different sentiments on almost every question, several of the last producing as many noes as ayes--is, methinks, a melancholy proof of the imperfection of the human understanding. We indeed seem to feel our own want of political wisdom, since we have been running about in search of it. We have gone back to ancient history for models of government, and examined the different forms of those republics which, having been formed with the seeds of their own dissolution, now no longer exist. And we have viewed modern states all round Europe, but find none of their constitutions suitable to our circumstances.

"In this situation of this assembly, groping, as it were, in the dark, to find political truth, and scarce able to distinguish it when presented to us, how has it happened, sir, that we have not hitherto once thought of humbly applying to the Father of lights to illuminate our understandings. In the beginning of the contest with Great Britain, when we were sensible of dangers, we had daily prayer in this room for the divine protection. Our prayers, sir, were heard, and they were graciously answered. All of us who were engaged in the struggle must have observed frequent instances of a superintending Providence in our favor. To that kind Providence we owe this happy opportunity of consulting in peace on the means of establishing our future national felicity. And have we now forgotten that powerful Friend? Or do we imagine that we no longer need his assistance?

"I have lived, sir, a long time, and, the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth--that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without his aid? We have been assured, sir, in the sacred writings, that 'Except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it.'

"I firmly believe this; and I also believe that without His concurring aid we shall succeed, in this political building, no better than the builders of Babel. We shall be divided by our little partial local interests; our projects will be confounded; and we ourselves shall become a reproach and by-word down to future ages. And, what is worse, mankind may hereafter, from this unfortunate instance, despair of establishing governments by human wisdom, and leave it to chance, war, and conquest.

"I therefore beg leave to move that, henceforth, prayers imploring the assistance of Heaven, and its blessings on our deliberations, be held in this assembly every morning before we proceed to business, and that one or more of the clergy of this city be requested to officiate in that service."

(Actual Text of Benjamin Franklin's Speech)

"Mr. President, I second the motion," said Roger Sherman of Connecticut.

Alexander Hamilton then noted that perhaps such a resolution might have been more appropriate when the delegation had first convened the previous May, but indicated that the public might now perceive "the embarrassments and dissensions with in the Convention" had lead to the measure. When in fact, this was perhaps the very thought that had prompted Franklin's speech, the delegates hesitated to publicly admit their need for God's help.

Edmund Randolph suggested that a sermon be presented on the Fourth of July, just six days hence, and that from that day forward prayers be read in the Convention every morning. Benjamin Franklin seconded the motion which was accepted without a vote.


Two and a half months later the Constitutional Convention adjourned having successfully drafted a document for a form of government unlike anything in human history, the United States Constitution. Alexander Hamilton pointed out that the final product was the work of many men and that no single delegate's ideas were "more remote" from the final document than his own. How could such teamwork have emerged from such a diverse group of egos and private agendas? Hamilton pointed out that the participants had "taken appropriate steps to avoid anarchy and convulsion."

Prayer and the Constitutional Convention

 

[High_Gravity]

Of course it was Christians who wrote the constitution and bill of rights, are people seriously trying to debate that? it was also Christians who put forth the idea of separation between church and state, if Benjamin Franklin and George Washington were Muslims we'd all be speaking Arabic and wearing burkas right now.

 

[blastoff]

france made the mistake of becoming a haven for muslims.

France let them all into their country.

The muslims didn't assimilate into french society. They made their own.

France is now reaping what it sowed.

Can't say i feel any sympathy for em.

bingo!!!

 

[ScreamingEagle]

france made the mistake of becoming a haven for muslims.

France let them all into their country.

The muslims didn't assimilate into french society. They made their own.

France is now reaping what it sowed.

Can't say i feel any sympathy for em.

bingo!!!

Muslims can't 'assimilate' into a Secular or Christian society....jihad is their 'way'.

 

[Sunni Man]

, if Benjamin Franklin and George Washington were Muslims we'd all be speaking Arabic and wearing burkas right now.

Sounds good to me!!

 

[High_Gravity]

, if Benjamin Franklin and George Washington were Muslims we'd all be speaking Arabic and wearing burkas right now.

Sounds good to me!!

 

[Trajan]

It's just a matter of time before whites are a minority in the lands they brutalized and stole.

all land fits that bill. boo hoo.

 

[ekrem]

Muslims can't 'assimilate' into a Secular or Christian society....jihad is their 'way'.

What was the French performance of "assimilating" into the countries they invaded and colonized? All the brown-to-dark people in France come mainly from East/North-Africa, which were colonies of France at some point.
Same with UK and the people from Indian sub-continent be it Indian or Pakistani.
Blame yourself.