French D-Day losses

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    Just finished watching the BBC D-Day documentary.
    Damn, but the French got hammered.
    On D-Day there were approx. 12,000 Allied casualties, 7,000 Axis casualties and 20,000 French casualties (mostly due to Allied bombing).

    Poor bastards. And then there were the thousands of French prisoners executed by the Nazis as they retreated.
    By the end of the war France had lost almost half a million civilians and more military than USA and Canada combined...

    Poland though really got screwed with around 6 million civilans killed and China lost around 10,000,000 civilians to the Japanese.
     
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    THAT is what happens when a country is not willing to defend itself. IF ONLY the French had stood up to the Germans from the beginning. Then again, they were unable.
     
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    More proof that appeasement doesn't work.
     
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    but it also explains why they are so quick to appease. They are scared of it happening again/
     
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    So if the French didn't stand up to the Germans how did they loose more soldiers than the US? France's military (and indeed the militaries of basically all of Europe) could not compete with the might of the Germans.
    It would be like the USA invading Canada....

    And having suffered so badly in the war (also from internal division on supporting or opposing the Nazis) one can see why they don't want any war, anywhere.

    America never suffered Blitzkrieg attacks....
     
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    So why even have a military?

    Instead of having their soldiers at least try to defend the civilian population, they laid down their arms, gave Germany the country with little resistance and allowed their civilians to be killed. Thats the one job of a military. To protect the population from harm. They failed miserably. At least if they fought and died, they could have saved face and possibly saved a few thousand of their civilians.
     
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    France lost so many because the war was fought there, not here, thus our low civilian loses. Good for US! No apology there.

    If France had kept their troops at the levels they told the 'world' they had, they should have been able to stop Germany. Problem is they lied.

    Chamberlain was like Carter, he really, really, really didn't want war. Thought appeasement was the way to go. He got the London bombing for his efforts.

    We are currently doing what France should have done in 1938-1939. There will be no thanks, lots of criticism, but fewer dead. Not politically the way to go perhaps, but if explained the people do get it.
     
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    Another nation with heavy casualties: the Soviet Union. Almost all the Russian soldiers sent into battle (on horseback) in 1939 against the Nazis never returned, due to Germany's superior technology and because Stalin had executed all his military commanders for fear of rivalry. USSR won the war with Germany, but lost 20 million people, whereas Germany lost 10 million.
    Russia's technique was complete ruthlessness to its own people. There was no talk of saving your own life. Behind every unit there were people to shoot you if you turned back. That's how many RUssian heroes were generated- they ran and cast themselves at a lone shooter, thus getting killed but affording his comerades a safe advance. So, not only France suffered by its own folly.
    Also, France was one of the quickest nations to aid Hitler in his "final solution of the Jewish question." While they executed Jews in Poland, Ukraine, and everywhere else they conquered (remember, they reached Moscow, where- like Napoleon before them- they were deterred by the inhuman winter), the Soviet government never handed Jews over to the Nazis (they had their own methods of dealing with the Jews). Other nations, such as tiny Denmark which was taken without a fight, were much more resilient. In fact, Denmark smuggled out most of the 7,500 jews living there at the time across the border to Sweden. But in France, well, let's say there was no such smuggling.
    About France's defense, most of the battles I recall studying about in WW II did not involve French troops, merely french land.
     
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    That statement says alot about France's defense or lack there of.
     
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    They had to do more that stand up they had to fight back.

    Of course they could, they choose not to. France believed that the Maginot Line would protect them. So they put their resources into that rather then build up their military.
     

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