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    'Freedom' is heard often: as an ideal, a goal, sometimes apology. Some claim they represent freedom and others are presumably opposed to freedom. Certain ideas make freedom possible while others do not. So what is freedom? Is it just a word that changes meaning dependent on the user or use? Or is there a real thing called freedom?
     
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    Yeah, lots of equivocation and ambiguity around the word. The kind of freedom I'm interested in preserving essentially boils down to being able to live our lives without being bullied. Protecting this freedom is the core purpose of government in my view.
     
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    That is often called negative freedom, not being coerced, how about positive freedom, what can we do? Many think government's role is coercion? Thanks for input, hopefully some of those who throw around the word reply.
     
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    Freedom is the gilded cage, but is it so bad?

    True freedom can only be achieved when you are alone. The moment you introduce a second person into the mix freedoms are immediately restricted. The first person does not have the right to kill the second person or visa versa. The more civilized you become the more freedoms you sacrifice.

    So the question becomes what freedoms are we willing to curb and which ones are we not willing to sacrifice, and that will tell us what kind of society we want.
     
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    The 'positive' and 'negative' freedom distinction doesn't work for me. It just seems like an attempt to expand the role of government by playing games with words. It's well established (in the US) that government should protect our freedoms, so there's been a movement to smuggle in an entirely different concept trojan style, and pretend it's 'just another kind' of freedom. It's not.

    Regardless, 'positive' freedom (which boils down to nothing less than the "right" to coerce others into others providing you with goods and services) isn't something government should allow, much less protect.
     
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    Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose...

    ;)
     
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    and nothin' was all that bobby left me...
     
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    Freedom is being in tune with life and the universe. When desires are one with what is happening, we are abundantly free.
     
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    There's also "free" as in "free beer", but I think it's safe to say the OP is discussing freedom in the political context - i.e. constitutionally protected rights.
     
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    "Negative freedoms" has become the latest socialist/progressive buzz moniker, as a route by which to cynically sell the notion of gubmint positively ordering around hoi polloy as chattel property, rather than being limited by enumerated powers (the Constitution) and a list of "thou shalt nots" (the BoR).

    And you're correct in mentioning coercion, as the proactive use of physical force is the only tool at gubmint's disposal to make us all comply with their edicts.
     

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