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Why? Because he dared question the legality of the hit? He's not the only one.
It wasn't a "hit" or an execution or an assassination.
Our military is not full of hitmen, executioners, or assassins.
Bin Laden was the ultimate combatant in an asymmetric war. As such, he was killed in his living room in front of his family by covert operations. That doesn't change the fact that he was a combatant.
I am so glad to see Obama, Clinton, and the left come around to the notion that Al Qaeda is a military threat and not a law enforcement problem. I am so glad that our President correctly eliminated Bin Laden as a combatant instead of arresting him and serving justice through a criminal trial.
Well said, and exactly the point I made last night. Beyond telling some Admiral that the mission was a go Obama had no more idea of what was going on during the mission than we did. It's not like he was in real time communication with the SEAL team commander as the mission unfolded.
I am however sure that they were told by the White House "dead or alive and we prefer dead"
Maybe it's an adverse effect of the video game culture we live in. Some people seem to believe that Obama was maneuvering these guys from room to room with a controller.
I am not sure of what they were told. I suspect, as said by the President in his speech, that it was to "kill or capture". Either way, we got OBL. It's a "W". I can't believe people can't simply accept that. However, go to the drudge report if you want a glimpse of how the right wing noise machine works.
They (the punditry) will slowing erode the public's confidence in this action simply for the politics of the ordeal. And we wonder why we are a fucking cynical nation.
I suspect it's a mixture of too many video games and too many Mitch Rapp novels. People actually believe that we have government assassins that the President unleashes when he's mad at someone and that the President personally oversees a squad sized group of men on ANY mission.
So? He may be right.This man needs to be fired.
Why? Because he dared question the legality of the hit? He's not the only one.
He didn't "Question the legality".
He didn't ask "Was the assassination of Bin Laden legal?"
He made a statement.
That statement was that the "assassination of Osama Bin Laden was an illegal killing on the whim of the president".
Maybe it's an adverse effect of the video game culture we live in. Some people seem to believe that Obama was maneuvering these guys from room to room with a controller.
I am not sure of what they were told. I suspect, as said by the President in his speech, that it was to "kill or capture". Either way, we got OBL. It's a "W". I can't believe people can't simply accept that. However, go to the drudge report if you want a glimpse of how the right wing noise machine works.
They (the punditry) will slowing erode the public's confidence in this action simply for the politics of the ordeal. And we wonder why we are a fucking cynical nation.
Here's the specific clip, for people who don't don't have much time:
Fox Business' Napolitano: Bin Laden "Killed On The Illegal Whim Of The President" | Media Matters for America
(And yes, its from "Media Matters", but it's just video of the intro of the show).
and here's the full show:
YouTube - Freedom Watch - Killing The Rule Of Law 5/2/2011
"Freedom Watch" starts about 50 Seconds into the video.
Judge Napolitano specifically states that Osama Bin Laden was assassinated "on the illegal whim of the president".
Hacks and liars have rights in this country, moron.
This is truly hilarious. Suddenly the Left has become Dirty Harry gunning down opposition and fuck the rules.
I dont have any problem with Osama's killing. But anyone who suggests that we abided by international law is a moron.
We invaded a sovereign country. We killed an unarmed man. We killed women and children in the process. We stole the body. We mutilated it. Etc.
And for what? Was Osama a direct threat to the U.S? No. Sen. Obama would have called for investigation and punishment of the soldiers involved.
We went into a heavily barricaded compound filled with armed criminals who were shooting at our men, and then killed the person who had been giving the orders to shoot. If a couple of civilians got killed in the process, well that is an unfortunate thing that sometimes happens in operations of this nature.
The picture you just tried to paint is offensive and ridiculous.
There is apparently no depth that you hacks won't sink to.
You're literally defending Osama Fucking Bin Laden now just to try and score points against Obama?
Wow. Just wow.
Maybe it's an adverse effect of the video game culture we live in. Some people seem to believe that Obama was maneuvering these guys from room to room with a controller.
I am not sure of what they were told. I suspect, as said by the President in his speech, that it was to "kill or capture". Either way, we got OBL. It's a "W". I can't believe people can't simply accept that. However, go to the drudge report if you want a glimpse of how the right wing noise machine works.
They (the punditry) will slowing erode the public's confidence in this action simply for the politics of the ordeal. And we wonder why we are a fucking cynical nation.
Exactly, and apparently nothing is off the table in their effort to slime the president. Even defending Osama Bin Laden, and pretending he's "the victim".
Hacks and liars have rights in this country, moron.
This is truly hilarious. Suddenly the Left has become Dirty Harry gunning down opposition and fuck the rules.
I dont have any problem with Osama's killing. But anyone who suggests that we abided by international law is a moron.
We invaded a sovereign country. We killed an unarmed man. We killed women and children in the process. We stole the body. We mutilated it. Etc.
And for what? Was Osama a direct threat to the U.S? No. Sen. Obama would have called for investigation and punishment of the soldiers involved.
We went into a heavily barricaded compound filled with armed criminals who were shooting at our men, and then killed the person who had been giving the orders to shoot. If a couple of civilians got killed in the process, well that is an unfortunate thing that sometimes happens in operations of this nature.
The picture you just tried to paint is offensive and ridiculous.
There is apparently no depth that you hacks won't sink to.
You're literally defending Osama Fucking Bin Laden now just to try and score points against Obama?
Wow. Just wow.
I'm sorry , but at THIS point I must point and laugh at your hypocrisy. For eight years we listened to the left bitch and moan about illegal wars and cry that Bush was a killer every time a civilian was killed in an unfortunate incident. I have ZERO doubt that chastised NONE of them for doing so.
I saw Napolitano the other night and he didn't mention international law but our own law.
And he made a good case that we violated those laws. He went to far in suggesting Obama could kill anyone he wanted and justify it in the same way.
Personally I like what we did. But for those that claim we didn't violate international law, would you be ok if China, or Russia came into our country in a similar manner and killed a criminal?
We went into a heavily barricaded compound filled with armed criminals who were shooting at our men, and then killed the person who had been giving the orders to shoot. If a couple of civilians got killed in the process, well that is an unfortunate thing that sometimes happens in operations of this nature.
The picture you just tried to paint is offensive and ridiculous.
There is apparently no depth that you hacks won't sink to.
You're literally defending Osama Fucking Bin Laden now just to try and score points against Obama?
Wow. Just wow.
I'm sorry , but at THIS point I must point and laugh at your hypocrisy. For eight years we listened to the left bitch and moan about illegal wars and cry that Bush was a killer every time a civilian was killed in an unfortunate incident. I have ZERO doubt that chastised NONE of them for doing so.
Yes. And we still refuse to buy into the notion that we have to support Bush's actions in Iraq to support the war on terror.
No one on the left has ever objected to bringing Bin Laden down. In fact, most of us on the left objected to Iraq because it was a diversion away from Bin Laden.
Nice try, though.
Maybe it's an adverse effect of the video game culture we live in. Some people seem to believe that Obama was maneuvering these guys from room to room with a controller.
I am not sure of what they were told. I suspect, as said by the President in his speech, that it was to "kill or capture". Either way, we got OBL. It's a "W". I can't believe people can't simply accept that. However, go to the drudge report if you want a glimpse of how the right wing noise machine works.
They (the punditry) will slowing erode the public's confidence in this action simply for the politics of the ordeal. And we wonder why we are a fucking cynical nation.
Exactly, and apparently nothing is off the table in their effort to slime the president. Even defending Osama Bin Laden, and pretending he's "the victim".
Here's the specific clip, for people who don't don't have much time:
Fox Business' Napolitano: Bin Laden "Killed On The Illegal Whim Of The President" | Media Matters for America
(And yes, its from "Media Matters", but it's just video of the intro of the show).
and here's the full show:
YouTube - Freedom Watch - Killing The Rule Of Law 5/2/2011
"Freedom Watch" starts about 50 Seconds into the video.
Judge Napolitano specifically states that Osama Bin Laden was assassinated "on the illegal whim of the president".
Napolitano is an idiot.
no surprises.
I saw Napolitano the other night and he didn't mention international law but our own law.
And he made a good case that we violated those laws. He went to far in suggesting Obama could kill anyone he wanted and justify it in the same way.
Personally I like what we did. But for those that claim we didn't violate international law, would you be ok if China, or Russia came into our country in a similar manner and killed a criminal?bin Laden was NOT considered a representative....
That's the difference.
I'm sorry , but at THIS point I must point and laugh at your hypocrisy. For eight years we listened to the left bitch and moan about illegal wars and cry that Bush was a killer every time a civilian was killed in an unfortunate incident. I have ZERO doubt that chastised NONE of them for doing so.
Yes. And we still refuse to buy into the notion that we have to support Bush's actions in Iraq to support the war on terror.
No one on the left has ever objected to bringing Bin Laden down. In fact, most of us on the left objected to Iraq because it was a diversion away from Bin Laden.
Nice try, though.
Sir , as you well know, no war is illegal. Well, as you SHOULD know since you're ex? military. The POTUS is the CiC of the US military and as such he can order them into battle for any reason, or no reason at all, without violating ANY law. With respect to the War Powers Act of course.
Also, I was referring to the cry from the left when civilians were killed as a result of a fire fight, I was not referring to them being against the war in Iraq in general. That is a separate argument altogether.
I'm sorry , but at THIS point I must point and laugh at your hypocrisy. For eight years we listened to the left bitch and moan about illegal wars and cry that Bush was a killer every time a civilian was killed in an unfortunate incident. I have ZERO doubt that chastised NONE of them for doing so.
Yes. And we still refuse to buy into the notion that we have to support Bush's actions in Iraq to support the war on terror.
No one on the left has ever objected to bringing Bin Laden down. In fact, most of us on the left objected to Iraq because it was a diversion away from Bin Laden.
Nice try, though.
Sir , as you well know, no war is illegal. Well, as you SHOULD know since you're ex? military. The POTUS is the CiC of the US military and as such he can order them into battle for any reason, or no reason at all, without violating ANY law. With respect to the War Powers Act of course.
Also, I was referring to the cry from the left when civilians were killed as a result of a fire fight, I was not referring to them being against the war in Iraq in general. That is a separate argument altogether.
So? He may be right.
In 1981 Ronald Reagan signed Executive Order 12333, which disallows the US from pursuing targeted assassinations.
Drawing on two classified legal memoranda, one written for President Bill Clinton in 1998 and one since the attacks of Sept. 11, the Bush administration has concluded that executive orders banning assassination do not prevent the president from lawfully singling out a terrorist for death by covert action. The CIA is reluctant to accept a broad grant of authority to hunt and kill U.S. enemies at its discretion, knowledgeable sources said. But the agency is willing and believes itself able to take the lives of terrorists designated by the president.
Clinton authorized covert lethal force against al Qaeda beginning in 1998, and The Washington Post reported last Sunday that Bush has signed a more encompassing intelligence "finding" that calls for attacks on newly identified weaknesses in Osama bin Laden's communications, security apparatus and infrastructure.
Bush's directive broadens the class of potential targets beyond bin Laden and his immediate circle of operational planners, and also beyond the present boundaries of the fight in Afghanistan, officials said.But it also holds the potential to target violence more narrowly than its precedents of the past 25 years because previous findings did not permit explicit planning for the death of an individual.
Maybe it's an adverse effect of the video game culture we live in. Some people seem to believe that Obama was maneuvering these guys from room to room with a controller.
I am not sure of what they were told. I suspect, as said by the President in his speech, that it was to "kill or capture". Either way, we got OBL. It's a "W". I can't believe people can't simply accept that. However, go to the drudge report if you want a glimpse of how the right wing noise machine works.
They (the punditry) will slowing erode the public's confidence in this action simply for the politics of the ordeal. And we wonder why we are a fucking cynical nation.
Exactly, and apparently nothing is off the table in their effort to slime the president. Even defending Osama Bin Laden, and pretending he's "the victim".
He is the victim. Haven't you seen the clippings coming out of Pakistan?
We killed that poor man in front of his daughter! We are such an awful nation! I mean, except for the 3000 innocent men, women, and children he slaughtered and the Sailors on the Cole, he was just minding his own business.
You know what upset me the most about 9/11? The videos of people jumping out of the twin towers when faced with that or being incinerated.
Fuck them all.
And fuck Pakistan and their shady intelligence agency that was shielding this fucking monster next door to the Paki equivalent of West Point.
I'm sorry , but at THIS point I must point and laugh at your hypocrisy. For eight years we listened to the left bitch and moan about illegal wars and cry that Bush was a killer every time a civilian was killed in an unfortunate incident. I have ZERO doubt that chastised NONE of them for doing so.
So? He may be right.
In 1981 Ronald Reagan signed Executive Order 12333, which disallows the US from pursuing targeted assassinations.
Interesting, except that Executive Order was countermanded by Clinton and Bush, specifically for use against terrorists:
