Free the Corporations

midcan5

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An interesting point and one worth consideration, no need for another Civil War, this time we just set them free, stop bailing them out etc. What do you think? Freedom, freedom, freedom....

"Now, if it is assumed that corporations are persons and are thus entitled to 1st Amendment rights (at least in the United States) it would certainly seem to follow that they are entitled to all the rights of persons. Or, at the very least, the other constitutional rights.

Corporations can, of course, be owned. In fact, common stock is bought and sold as a matter of routine business and provides an ownership share in a corporation. Since corporations are people, this means that people are being allowed to legally own other people. Owning another person is, of course, slavery. While slavery was legal at one time in the United States, the 13th amendment is rather clear on this matter..."

Talking Philosophy | Liberate the Corporations?


"Candidates appealed to voters mostly by appealing to their ethnic and social identities, “waving the bloody shirt” to remind their audiences of the treasonable crimes the other side had committed during the bitter culture wars of the Sixties—the 1860s, that is. No matter who won, the local and federal governments were understood—with good reason—to be the wholly owned creatures of corporate entities whose enormous wealth dwarfed that of the governments themselves. When offices changed hands, the new group of political professionals and their sponsors were the only people likely to benefit. Any and all appeals to the court system were useless. Just thirty years after it had supported a federal income tax to fund the Civil War, the U.S. Supreme Court declared the very practice unconstitutional, an “assault upon capital” and the start of “a war of the poor against the rich.” In 1886, the Court wielded the Fourteenth Amendment, which guaranteed the rights of freed slaves, as a shield against the regulation of big business, ruling that corporations were now somehow the same as people." the depository: The Vanishing Liberal by Kevin Baker
 
An interesting point and one worth consideration, no need for another Civil War, this time we just set them free, stop bailing them out etc. What do you think? Freedom, freedom, freedom....

"Now, if it is assumed that corporations are persons and are thus entitled to 1st Amendment rights (at least in the United States) it would certainly seem to follow that they are entitled to all the rights of persons. Or, at the very least, the other constitutional rights.

Corporations can, of course, be owned. In fact, common stock is bought and sold as a matter of routine business and provides an ownership share in a corporation. Since corporations are people, this means that people are being allowed to legally own other people. Owning another person is, of course, slavery. While slavery was legal at one time in the United States, the 13th amendment is rather clear on this matter..."

Talking Philosophy | Liberate the Corporations?


"Candidates appealed to voters mostly by appealing to their ethnic and social identities, “waving the bloody shirt” to remind their audiences of the treasonable crimes the other side had committed during the bitter culture wars of the Sixties—the 1860s, that is. No matter who won, the local and federal governments were understood—with good reason—to be the wholly owned creatures of corporate entities whose enormous wealth dwarfed that of the governments themselves. When offices changed hands, the new group of political professionals and their sponsors were the only people likely to benefit. Any and all appeals to the court system were useless. Just thirty years after it had supported a federal income tax to fund the Civil War, the U.S. Supreme Court declared the very practice unconstitutional, an “assault upon capital” and the start of “a war of the poor against the rich.” In 1886, the Court wielded the Fourteenth Amendment, which guaranteed the rights of freed slaves, as a shield against the regulation of big business, ruling that corporations were now somehow the same as people." the depository: The Vanishing Liberal by Kevin Baker

Watch it, you are going to turn into a conservative if you aren't careful.
 
Can't be! She put in a 'wise' quote and a link. :lol:

'She?' Is that schoolyard code or did your wingnut teleprompter malfunction? Thought all your knowledge came in through some device that you still haven't explained? You never answered my question quoted below, and the quote in the OP referenced our history, not everyone knows how similar history can be at times. But you know all, somehow, explain?

- I am always amazed that the best criticism the right wingers can give is that you backup your ideas with either quotations or sources. Do conservatives sit in empty noiseless rooms, and then through some magical unknown and unexplained medium, receive their brains, their minds and their knowledge. Can a wingunt please explain that process so that it makes sense to those of us who live in a world of information that must be culled, explained, and held up against the real world in which we live. Please tell us how that works, that ability you have to know things that you never heard, read or were told? I'll wait for your explanation of life and learning in the vacuum of dark matter, life outside the social sphere. Should be interesting.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/economy/202038-entitlement-2.html#post4641973
 
Can't be! She put in a 'wise' quote and a link. :lol:

'She?' Is that schoolyard code or did your wingnut teleprompter malfunction? Thought all your knowledge came in through some device that you still haven't explained? You never answered my question quoted below, and the quote in the OP referenced our history, not everyone knows how similar history can be at times. But you know all, somehow, explain?

- I am always amazed that the best criticism the right wingers can give is that you backup your ideas with either quotations or sources. Do conservatives sit in empty noiseless rooms, and then through some magical unknown and unexplained medium, receive their brains, their minds and their knowledge. Can a wingunt please explain that process so that it makes sense to those of us who live in a world of information that must be culled, explained, and held up against the real world in which we live. Please tell us how that works, that ability you have to know things that you never heard, read or were told? I'll wait for your explanation of life and learning in the vacuum of dark matter, life outside the social sphere. Should be interesting.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/economy/202038-entitlement-2.html#post4641973

I can't speak on behalf of 'right wingers', but generally I like to read a person's own view... I am not interested in how well read you want to appear. I tend to study issues that interest or affect me, mine or my country. That's how I form opinions. What I don't feel the need to do is provide my fellow posters with my substantial reading list. It adds nothing to my posts to include Amazon links. It adds nothing to yours either.

Generally, I am confident enough in my own opinions not to resort to those of others to 'back me up'.
 
An interesting point and one worth consideration, no need for another Civil War, this time we just set them free, stop bailing them out etc. What do you think? Freedom, freedom, freedom....

"Now, if it is assumed that corporations are persons and are thus entitled to 1st Amendment rights (at least in the United States) it would certainly seem to follow that they are entitled to all the rights of persons. Or, at the very least, the other constitutional rights.

Corporations can, of course, be owned. In fact, common stock is bought and sold as a matter of routine business and provides an ownership share in a corporation. Since corporations are people, this means that people are being allowed to legally own other people. Owning another person is, of course, slavery. While slavery was legal at one time in the United States, the 13th amendment is rather clear on this matter..."

Talking Philosophy | Liberate the Corporations?


"Candidates appealed to voters mostly by appealing to their ethnic and social identities, “waving the bloody shirt” to remind their audiences of the treasonable crimes the other side had committed during the bitter culture wars of the Sixties—the 1860s, that is. No matter who won, the local and federal governments were understood—with good reason—to be the wholly owned creatures of corporate entities whose enormous wealth dwarfed that of the governments themselves. When offices changed hands, the new group of political professionals and their sponsors were the only people likely to benefit. Any and all appeals to the court system were useless. Just thirty years after it had supported a federal income tax to fund the Civil War, the U.S. Supreme Court declared the very practice unconstitutional, an “assault upon capital” and the start of “a war of the poor against the rich.” In 1886, the Court wielded the Fourteenth Amendment, which guaranteed the rights of freed slaves, as a shield against the regulation of big business, ruling that corporations were now somehow the same as people." the depository: The Vanishing Liberal by Kevin Baker

Well since your against corporate welfare, and obama is for it.

Who will you be voting for since the left will nominate big 0 for re-election?
 
An interesting point and one worth consideration, no need for another Civil War, this time we just set them free, stop bailing them out etc. What do you think? Freedom, freedom, freedom....

"Now, if it is assumed that corporations are persons and are thus entitled to 1st Amendment rights (at least in the United States) it would certainly seem to follow that they are entitled to all the rights of persons. Or, at the very least, the other constitutional rights.

Corporations can, of course, be owned. In fact, common stock is bought and sold as a matter of routine business and provides an ownership share in a corporation. Since corporations are people, this means that people are being allowed to legally own other people. Owning another person is, of course, slavery. While slavery was legal at one time in the United States, the 13th amendment is rather clear on this matter..."

Talking Philosophy | Liberate the Corporations?


"Candidates appealed to voters mostly by appealing to their ethnic and social identities, “waving the bloody shirt” to remind their audiences of the treasonable crimes the other side had committed during the bitter culture wars of the Sixties—the 1860s, that is. No matter who won, the local and federal governments were understood—with good reason—to be the wholly owned creatures of corporate entities whose enormous wealth dwarfed that of the governments themselves. When offices changed hands, the new group of political professionals and their sponsors were the only people likely to benefit. Any and all appeals to the court system were useless. Just thirty years after it had supported a federal income tax to fund the Civil War, the U.S. Supreme Court declared the very practice unconstitutional, an “assault upon capital” and the start of “a war of the poor against the rich.” In 1886, the Court wielded the Fourteenth Amendment, which guaranteed the rights of freed slaves, as a shield against the regulation of big business, ruling that corporations were now somehow the same as people." the depository: The Vanishing Liberal by Kevin Baker

Watch it, you are going to turn into a conservative if you aren't careful.

It's funny, when a liberal doesn't know what they fuck they are talking about, they accidentally agree with conservatives.

jebus, even the liberals are tired of themselves and moderates.

:lol:
 
Can't be! She put in a 'wise' quote and a link. :lol:

'She?' Is that schoolyard code or did your wingnut teleprompter malfunction? Thought all your knowledge came in through some device that you still haven't explained? You never answered my question quoted below, and the quote in the OP referenced our history, not everyone knows how similar history can be at times. But you know all, somehow, explain?

- I am always amazed that the best criticism the right wingers can give is that you backup your ideas with either quotations or sources. Do conservatives sit in empty noiseless rooms, and then through some magical unknown and unexplained medium, receive their brains, their minds and their knowledge. Can a wingunt please explain that process so that it makes sense to those of us who live in a world of information that must be culled, explained, and held up against the real world in which we live. Please tell us how that works, that ability you have to know things that you never heard, read or were told? I'll wait for your explanation of life and learning in the vacuum of dark matter, life outside the social sphere. Should be interesting.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/economy/202038-entitlement-2.html#post4641973

I can't speak on behalf of 'right wingers', but generally I like to read a person's own view... I am not interested in how well read you want to appear. I tend to study issues that interest or affect me, mine or my country. That's how I form opinions. What I don't feel the need to do is provide my fellow posters with my substantial reading list. It adds nothing to my posts to include Amazon links. It adds nothing to yours either.

Generally, I am confident enough in my own opinions not to resort to those of others to 'back me up'.

Personally, I enjoy reading midcan's quotes because they almost always say the exact opposite of the point he is trying to make. If I had a few thousand dollars burning wholes in my pocket I would buy every book just so I could read them and laugh at the way they contradict the posts.
 
Ya see, corporations have no power. The corporate corruption the OWS left imagines actually originates in government but since we have a quasi-socialist administration the fools in OWS can't protest the administration so they go after you and me.
 
I can't speak on behalf of 'right wingers', but generally I like to read a person's own view... I am not interested in how well read you want to appear. I tend to study issues that interest or affect me, mine or my country. That's how I form opinions. What I don't feel the need to do is provide my fellow posters with my substantial reading list. It adds nothing to my posts to include Amazon links. It adds nothing to yours either.

Generally, I am confident enough in my own opinions not to resort to those of others to 'back me up'.

But the question is where do those opinions come from? Outer space? Parents? Peers? Books? You don't live in a bubble or maybe you do. I've asked you several times for an original post or OP and you have never provided one. And please recognize the world isn't just you, that is a consistent conservative meme but it doesn't hold up. Personally I appreciate it when others post references or quotations. Don't assume you know why others do things, make you unbecoming, presumptuous and stupid. Think for yourself and why you don't feel the need to explain, only emote. Others may find the information useful. I am not a conservative control freak or whatever kind of control freak you happen to be. Address the topic, not your personal insecurities.


Two Thumbs, I've often thought I'm more conservative than most conservatives in the sense in which I live. As an example I buy American, is that conservative? But some conservatives don't like American because of unions and GM's help, so you see the quandary labels cause. Been married forever, served in the military during Nam, pay enormous amounts in taxes, give to lots of charities, help my neighbors with home and computer issues for free. See my conservative may not be yours. ;)


Quantum, language is a complicated thing and often we read things based on our mindset and not the author's, or in this case, the poster's meaning. If you can show me an example, I'm sure I can clarify the plot or context. I do occasionally use ironic quotes - but please, I need examples not hearsay. See quote below from a great thinker, read him sometime.


Whitehall, that makes no sense at all, at least attempt to prove your oddball ideas. Show me how? Here are two links and books that contradict your assumption.

Sorry Cali Girl, but I had to do it. :lol:

Democracy after Citizens United | MIT World
The Conservative Nanny State
[ame=http://www.amazon.com/Taking-Risk-Out-Democracy-Communication/dp/0252066162/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1327075496&sr=1-1]Amazon.com: Taking the Risk Out of Democracy: Corporate Propaganda versus Freedom and Liberty (History of Communication) (9780252066160): Alex Carey: Books[/ame]
"The leveraged buyout of the RJR Nabisco Corporation for $25 billion is a landmark in American business history, a story of avarice on an epic scale."
[ame]http://www.amazon.com/Barbarians-Gate-Fall-RJR-Nabisco/dp/0061655554/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8[/ame]



"I say it to you now, knowing full well that you will agree with me (that is, understand) only if you already agree with me." Stanley Fish
 
Quantum, language is a complicated thing and often we read things based on our mindset and not the author's, or in this case, the poster's meaning. If you can show me an example, I'm sure I can clarify the plot or context. I do occasionally use ironic quotes - but please, I need examples not hearsay. See quote below from a great thinker, read him sometime.

I think you are confusing irony and incongruity, a very common mistake.

As for examples, most of your quotes are incongruous, pick almost any of your posts I replied to and you will see where I called you on it.
 

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