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[Nik]

Hmmm... big difference between the 'general welfare' and infrastructure.. and having taxpayers pay for individual wants, needs, etc...

ANY person can use a road... laws and law enforcement are for society or the populous... all are public domain... your body and personal health is not public domain...

but nice try

So since your body isn't public domain its ok for me to beat you up/kill you/etc? Its necessary for someone to prosecute me for hurting you, but not necessary for there to be anything to make you better? Thats the stupidest argument ever.

THE LAW is public domain you retard.. including laws protecting the individual rights of citizens

And last I saw.. assault and battery was against the law

Your ability to provide for yourself is not public domain... you getting yourself around is not something that is public domain for others to encroach on, or to provide for you because you want it...

You have public transit systems for the use of ALL peoples.. you getting provided a car for your individual use is not

Why exactly is the law public domain and health insurance not? I hear repeated assertions that one is, and one is not, and yet none of you assclowns can explain the difference. Hell, you can't even try to do so.

Your ability to provide for yourself is not public domain? So law enforcenment isn't in the public domain? I mean can't everyone just get a gun and protect themself? 2nd Amendment and all, after all.

No, actually, you don't have public transit for ALL peoples. You have transit for people who are lucky enough to live around transit. Thats not ALL peoples.

 

[Old Rocks]

oh.. the state JUST takes care of insurance, fuel, upkeep, etc

Well.. in a land of personal freedoms, liberties, and responsibilities.. if you want private transpostation, those are YOUR responsibilities

If that is the kind of CHARITY you want.. I suggest helping fund a CHARITY that possibly does such a thing... not expecting the government to do it as if every other citizen or the country OWES it to the people who may wish to use this

Earth to DD, the last 30 years have been a testament to the fact that doing nothing while spouting off about boot straps and personal responsibility is not working....

Earth to socialism supporter.. nothing in the past 200+ years of the constitution that puts our government as a socialist/communist entitlement heaven either

As stated.. I fully support supporting charities to VOLUNTARILY help causes YOU think are worthwhile... much different than thinking that people are OWED it or that government is required to take care of your every personal need

Common sense to Dave...........never mind

 

[Old Rocks]

I have 4 degrees, beyond h.s. BA's in history, sociology, and political science. Two of those from elite school. I also have MS in Ed. Admin. All with honors.

I've been riffed for this coming year, 10 years in parochial school. Granted I hid there, for reasons explained down the post. It doesn't make 'sense' in the idea that poor teachers should have gone first or by seniority. The parents and the kids love me. In fact, once the principal went to the board with her decision, there was backlash. However, the issue here is my principal has felt 'threatened' by me for many years. So, that is what it is. Now she's telling me that it's 99% certain I'll have a position next year, but I really want something else. I've been at the poverty level too long and now have been really kicked in the teeth.

I'm hearing disabled, while I have dual hi-tech hearing aids, my hearing isn't close to normal. Needless to say, I freak in interviews, especially in high school, where there may be as many as 9 sitting around a table. I have to isolate who's talking, to understand them, IF no one speaks over them. Doesn't engender confidence.

But I'm nearly to the point to illustrate that of nearly 300 grads from my school when I've been on staff, 85% have gone on to AP courses and passed. 15 of them have cited me as 'most influential teacher' through yearbooks or newspapers. I was invited to the graduation of one of mine who received a full ride to Yale. I've had grads that have thanked me for full rides to Stanford, Northwestern, CUNY, and U of I.

While I think they were the success, they thanked me and I'm about ready to lend their testimonials to my applications.

See, it's not entitlements, for myself or the kids, but hard work and expectations. I gave many a break, I knew they could do it with encouragement, now it's my turn.

History, sociology, poli-sci??? Yep, that's what business needs. MS in Ed Admin is useful, I suppose, you could be a principal or such....if you were willing to locate anywhere in the US.

Too bad you didn't spend all those $$$'s on getting an Engineering, Nursing, Computer Programming, Actuary Science, Accounting, etc..... degree.....something you could do something with other than teach school. We are actually hiring many of those types of folks.

I finally forced my daughter to drop her music degree, realizing it would never feed her. She went on to get an accounting degree, complete with CPA and then an international finance degree. Not a single person in her old music program are employed outside of teaching grade school music. None have performing arts jobs. All but two in her accounting are employed inside a year of graduation.

This is a word to the wise that have kids thinking about college or a kid in college right now. Spend your money (or your parent's money) on something that business ACTUALLY NEEDS, not on something you think is "cool" or "easy" or "your intellectual fit". At least if you want to do something beside teach high school or work in a low-level government job.

I know I need no, English majors, Music majors, sociologists, kenesiologists, phys ed, recreation management, fine arts, etc.... stuff. I need Engineers, Scientists, programmers, physicists, and mathemeticians.....and I have to go to India to get most of them because we don't make many of those here anymore......

Goddamned right that we do not make many of those here. Most that have talent in those fields have a difficult time paying for their education. Something else we are now making little of is technicians. Electricians and millwrights. The average age of an industrial millwright is now 56. It is a dirty, very physical job that requires constant upgrading of skills. Two problems here. Lack of good, affordable tech schools, and wages that are lower now, in real money terms, than they were 20 years ago.

The very first thing that the Conservatives cut is education funding. So we don't need American engineers. We can just get them from India. And when they go home, taking skills and knowledge that they gained here with them, you will cry about ungrateful foreign workers.

If you look at the number of engineers graduating in China, India, and even South Korea, you will understand why we are becoming a second rate nation technologically.

 

[Zoomie1980]

We've had a whole 4 1/2 months of "entitlement bullshit" and already it's "got to stop??" What the hell is wrong with you people. We elected a president who gives a shit about real Americans for a change. He doesn't just care about the super rich and the corporations, but the rest of us working stiffs who just want a little leveling of the playing field. OMG what a disaster. Socialism run amuck clearly.

We've suffered for at least the last 30 years with your rugged individualism, your boot straps and casting aspersions upon anyone who struggled even the slightest. THAT is what we've had enough of. MORE than enough. It's time for the adults to be in charge. People who realize that we're living in a civilization, we're not just all pioneers out on the range where our actions have no effect on anybody else.

If you are of sound mind and body and can't take care of yourself, provide for yourself, I have one solution....

Figure it out YOURSELF, or DIE. I, nor anyone else, owes you anything, even life....

I don't agree with that. We owe all of our citizens that want to work, a job that pays a living wage. i don't think the richest country in the world should have working people that are homeless.

Know, we do NOT. We owe our citizens the OPPORTUNITY to pursue a skill set that will allow them to adequately COMPETE for gainful employment. NOTHING MORE. If they choose to pursue "skills" that no one wants.....well, too bad, that's their problem.

 

[Zoomie1980]

I have 4 degrees, beyond h.s. BA's in history, sociology, and political science. Two of those from elite school. I also have MS in Ed. Admin. All with honors.

I've been riffed for this coming year, 10 years in parochial school. Granted I hid there, for reasons explained down the post. It doesn't make 'sense' in the idea that poor teachers should have gone first or by seniority. The parents and the kids love me. In fact, once the principal went to the board with her decision, there was backlash. However, the issue here is my principal has felt 'threatened' by me for many years. So, that is what it is. Now she's telling me that it's 99% certain I'll have a position next year, but I really want something else. I've been at the poverty level too long and now have been really kicked in the teeth.

I'm hearing disabled, while I have dual hi-tech hearing aids, my hearing isn't close to normal. Needless to say, I freak in interviews, especially in high school, where there may be as many as 9 sitting around a table. I have to isolate who's talking, to understand them, IF no one speaks over them. Doesn't engender confidence.

But I'm nearly to the point to illustrate that of nearly 300 grads from my school when I've been on staff, 85% have gone on to AP courses and passed. 15 of them have cited me as 'most influential teacher' through yearbooks or newspapers. I was invited to the graduation of one of mine who received a full ride to Yale. I've had grads that have thanked me for full rides to Stanford, Northwestern, CUNY, and U of I.

While I think they were the success, they thanked me and I'm about ready to lend their testimonials to my applications.

See, it's not entitlements, for myself or the kids, but hard work and expectations. I gave many a break, I knew they could do it with encouragement, now it's my turn.

History, sociology, poli-sci??? Yep, that's what business needs. MS in Ed Admin is useful, I suppose, you could be a principal or such....if you were willing to locate anywhere in the US.

Too bad you didn't spend all those $$$'s on getting an Engineering, Nursing, Computer Programming, Actuary Science, Accounting, etc..... degree.....something you could do something with other than teach school. We are actually hiring many of those types of folks.

I finally forced my daughter to drop her music degree, realizing it would never feed her. She went on to get an accounting degree, complete with CPA and then an international finance degree. Not a single person in her old music program are employed outside of teaching grade school music. None have performing arts jobs. All but two in her accounting are employed inside a year of graduation.

This is a word to the wise that have kids thinking about college or a kid in college right now. Spend your money (or your parent's money) on something that business ACTUALLY NEEDS, not on something you think is "cool" or "easy" or "your intellectual fit". At least if you want to do something beside teach high school or work in a low-level government job.

I know I need no, English majors, Music majors, sociologists, kenesiologists, phys ed, recreation management, fine arts, etc.... stuff. I need Engineers, Scientists, programmers, physicists, and mathemeticians.....and I have to go to India to get most of them because we don't make many of those here anymore......

Goddamned right that we do not make many of those here. Most that have talent in those fields have a difficult time paying for their education. Something else we are now making little of is technicians. Electricians and millwrights. The average age of an industrial millwright is now 56. It is a dirty, very physical job that requires constant upgrading of skills. Two problems here. Lack of good, affordable tech schools, and wages that are lower now, in real money terms, than they were 20 years ago.

The very first thing that the Conservatives cut is education funding. So we don't need American engineers. We can just get them from India. And when they go home, taking skills and knowledge that they gained here with them, you will cry about ungrateful foreign workers.

If you look at the number of engineers graduating in China, India, and even South Korea, you will understand why we are becoming a second rate nation technologically.

Has nothing to do with gov't funding for education. Our lazy, entitled, instant gratification prone kids are too lazy to take the hard stuff in high school and college, anymore. And their parents are too lazy to FORCE them.

Kids of wealthy parents STILL take mostly MUSH in college then whine why no one wants to hire them and their parents whine when they all have to move back into their basements at age 24 because they wasted $100,000 of their parents' money on CRAP.

 

[Old Rocks]

I have 4 degrees, beyond h.s. BA's in history, sociology, and political science. Two of those from elite school. I also have MS in Ed. Admin. All with honors.

I've been riffed for this coming year, 10 years in parochial school. Granted I hid there, for reasons explained down the post. It doesn't make 'sense' in the idea that poor teachers should have gone first or by seniority. The parents and the kids love me. In fact, once the principal went to the board with her decision, there was backlash. However, the issue here is my principal has felt 'threatened' by me for many years. So, that is what it is. Now she's telling me that it's 99% certain I'll have a position next year, but I really want something else. I've been at the poverty level too long and now have been really kicked in the teeth.

I'm hearing disabled, while I have dual hi-tech hearing aids, my hearing isn't close to normal. Needless to say, I freak in interviews, especially in high school, where there may be as many as 9 sitting around a table. I have to isolate who's talking, to understand them, IF no one speaks over them. Doesn't engender confidence.

But I'm nearly to the point to illustrate that of nearly 300 grads from my school when I've been on staff, 85% have gone on to AP courses and passed. 15 of them have cited me as 'most influential teacher' through yearbooks or newspapers. I was invited to the graduation of one of mine who received a full ride to Yale. I've had grads that have thanked me for full rides to Stanford, Northwestern, CUNY, and U of I.

While I think they were the success, they thanked me and I'm about ready to lend their testimonials to my applications.

See, it's not entitlements, for myself or the kids, but hard work and expectations. I gave many a break, I knew they could do it with encouragement, now it's my turn.

Annie, couple of things here. On your hearing, I fully understand and empathasize. You see, after 40 years in heavy industry, I know exactly what you mean. For me, it is music that suffers. I play a couple of instruments, and love music. I cannot play music with anyone else in the room, because in order to hear it, I must turn it up beyond the comfort level of most people.

As for your problems in your job, I for one, have supported more pay for good teachers throughout my life. But you really know full well which end of the political spectrum opposes that. The people that you are dealing with may make it difficult for you to achieve anything more where you are at. I ran into a situation like that as head millwright in a sawmill, had to quit, and move to another city, change to a completely differant industry. It was wrenching, but turned out for the best. Sounds like it is time for you to start looking at differant options.

 

[Zoomie1980]

Hmmm... big difference between the 'general welfare' and infrastructure.. and having taxpayers pay for individual wants, needs, etc...

ANY person can use a road... laws and law enforcement are for society or the populous... all are public domain... your body and personal health is not public domain...

but nice try

So since your body isn't public domain its ok for me to beat you up/kill you/etc? Its necessary for someone to prosecute me for hurting you, but not necessary for there to be anything to make you better? Thats the stupidest argument ever.

THE LAW is public domain you retard.. including laws protecting the individual rights of citizens

And last I saw.. assault and battery was against the law

Your ability to provide for yourself is not public domain... you getting yourself around is not something that is public domain for others to encroach on, or to provide for you because you want it...

You have public transit systems for the use of ALL peoples.. you getting provided a car for your individual use is not

What kind of a moron who cannot afford a car CHOOSES to live 7 miles from the nearest bus-stop? I guess the same kind of moron who can't find anything more than minimum wage work....

 

[Nik]

History, sociology, poli-sci??? Yep, that's what business needs. MS in Ed Admin is useful, I suppose, you could be a principal or such....if you were willing to locate anywhere in the US.

Too bad you didn't spend all those $$$'s on getting an Engineering, Nursing, Computer Programming, Actuary Science, Accounting, etc..... degree.....something you could do something with other than teach school. We are actually hiring many of those types of folks.

I finally forced my daughter to drop her music degree, realizing it would never feed her. She went on to get an accounting degree, complete with CPA and then an international finance degree. Not a single person in her old music program are employed outside of teaching grade school music. None have performing arts jobs. All but two in her accounting are employed inside a year of graduation.

This is a word to the wise that have kids thinking about college or a kid in college right now. Spend your money (or your parent's money) on something that business ACTUALLY NEEDS, not on something you think is "cool" or "easy" or "your intellectual fit". At least if you want to do something beside teach high school or work in a low-level government job.

I know I need no, English majors, Music majors, sociologists, kenesiologists, phys ed, recreation management, fine arts, etc.... stuff. I need Engineers, Scientists, programmers, physicists, and mathemeticians.....and I have to go to India to get most of them because we don't make many of those here anymore......

Goddamned right that we do not make many of those here. Most that have talent in those fields have a difficult time paying for their education. Something else we are now making little of is technicians. Electricians and millwrights. The average age of an industrial millwright is now 56. It is a dirty, very physical job that requires constant upgrading of skills. Two problems here. Lack of good, affordable tech schools, and wages that are lower now, in real money terms, than they were 20 years ago.

The very first thing that the Conservatives cut is education funding. So we don't need American engineers. We can just get them from India. And when they go home, taking skills and knowledge that they gained here with them, you will cry about ungrateful foreign workers.

If you look at the number of engineers graduating in China, India, and even South Korea, you will understand why we are becoming a second rate nation technologically.

Has nothing to do with gov't funding for education. Our lazy, entitled, instant gratification prone kids are too lazy to take the hard stuff in high school and college, anymore. And their parents are too lazy to FORCE them.

Kids of wealthy parents STILL take mostly MUSH in college then whine why no one wants to hire them and their parents whine when they all have to move back into their basements at age 24 because they wasted $100,000 of their parents' money on CRAP.

Actually there are a ton of people taking the "hard" stuff, which isn't necessarily hard. But its retarded to force kids into fields they don't like, and aren't good at. There are jobs for people in all sorts of fields. Hell, when I was in undergrad everyone was all "omg a philosophy degree, thats so useless, blah, blah, blah", but as far as my career goes, it was the single best choice I could have made. I got that, and am successful, because I followed my heart and not idiots like you who somehow think certain majors are gods gift to humanity.

 

[Nik]

So since your body isn't public domain its ok for me to beat you up/kill you/etc? Its necessary for someone to prosecute me for hurting you, but not necessary for there to be anything to make you better? Thats the stupidest argument ever.

THE LAW is public domain you retard.. including laws protecting the individual rights of citizens

And last I saw.. assault and battery was against the law

Your ability to provide for yourself is not public domain... you getting yourself around is not something that is public domain for others to encroach on, or to provide for you because you want it...

You have public transit systems for the use of ALL peoples.. you getting provided a car for your individual use is not

What kind of a moron who cannot afford a car CHOOSES to live 7 miles from the nearest bus-stop? I guess the same kind of moron who can't find anything more than minimum wage work....

Maybe you haven't heard about this, but the economy is sorta going down the tubes. When someone loses their job, sometimes they can't afford to make car payments, and then loses their car. Similarly some people live with their parents, who can afford a car, while they themselves can't. I know its really quite stupid for people to choose to be born to parents who can't afford more than one car, but really give them a break.

 

[Zoomie1980]

I have 4 degrees, beyond h.s. BA's in history, sociology, and political science. Two of those from elite school. I also have MS in Ed. Admin. All with honors.

I've been riffed for this coming year, 10 years in parochial school. Granted I hid there, for reasons explained down the post. It doesn't make 'sense' in the idea that poor teachers should have gone first or by seniority. The parents and the kids love me. In fact, once the principal went to the board with her decision, there was backlash. However, the issue here is my principal has felt 'threatened' by me for many years. So, that is what it is. Now she's telling me that it's 99% certain I'll have a position next year, but I really want something else. I've been at the poverty level too long and now have been really kicked in the teeth.

I'm hearing disabled, while I have dual hi-tech hearing aids, my hearing isn't close to normal. Needless to say, I freak in interviews, especially in high school, where there may be as many as 9 sitting around a table. I have to isolate who's talking, to understand them, IF no one speaks over them. Doesn't engender confidence.

But I'm nearly to the point to illustrate that of nearly 300 grads from my school when I've been on staff, 85% have gone on to AP courses and passed. 15 of them have cited me as 'most influential teacher' through yearbooks or newspapers. I was invited to the graduation of one of mine who received a full ride to Yale. I've had grads that have thanked me for full rides to Stanford, Northwestern, CUNY, and U of I.

While I think they were the success, they thanked me and I'm about ready to lend their testimonials to my applications.

See, it's not entitlements, for myself or the kids, but hard work and expectations. I gave many a break, I knew they could do it with encouragement, now it's my turn.

History, sociology, poli-sci??? Yep, that's what business needs. MS in Ed Admin is useful, I suppose, you could be a principal or such....if you were willing to locate anywhere in the US.

Too bad you didn't spend all those $$$'s on getting an Engineering, Nursing, Computer Programming, Actuary Science, Accounting, etc..... degree.....something you could do something with other than teach school. We are actually hiring many of those types of folks.

I finally forced my daughter to drop her music degree, realizing it would never feed her. She went on to get an accounting degree, complete with CPA and then an international finance degree. Not a single person in her old music program are employed outside of teaching grade school music. None have performing arts jobs. All but two in her accounting are employed inside a year of graduation.

This is a word to the wise that have kids thinking about college or a kid in college right now. Spend your money (or your parent's money) on something that business ACTUALLY NEEDS, not on something you think is "cool" or "easy" or "your intellectual fit". At least if you want to do something beside teach high school or work in a low-level government job.

I know I need no, English majors, Music majors, sociologists, kenesiologists, phys ed, recreation management, fine arts, etc.... stuff. I need Engineers, Scientists, programmers, physicists, and mathemeticians.....and I have to go to India to get most of them because we don't make many of those here anymore......

I think that's crap and just an excuse for insourcing and outsourcing. The fact is that many kids with the right degrees can't get jobs in computers, etc because corporations are making justifications so they can bring in immigrants and pay them a lower wage.

Granted, because of the insourcing, fewer Americans are taking those classes and fewer colleges are offering them, why bother if you are going to go to India to get your employees anyway?

This is what most here do not get! Hiring AMERICAN technical professionals is CHEAPER than going to India for it!!! It cost's me $150,000/yr for Java programmer with four years experience, on contract from India. If cost's me about $110,000 (total employee cost) for a 27 year old college grad with four years of Java experience. Same for mechanical engineers.

But we DO NOT MAKE THOSE anymore here.....Our snot-nosed, entitled, spoiled rotten, BRATS, who go to college in DROVES, and spend mommie's and dadie's money with such glee to get degrees in MUSH, no one wants, then wonder why they can't get jobs..... And then everyone blames us for offshoring for the talent WE no longer provide!!!

So how many who post here have BS's in hard science, math, engineering, nursing, accounting, actuarial science or computer science? That's what we in business NEED. If you don't have that.....go teach school or run a half-way house....and the wages that earns you...

 

[Zoomie1980]

Goddamned right that we do not make many of those here. Most that have talent in those fields have a difficult time paying for their education. Something else we are now making little of is technicians. Electricians and millwrights. The average age of an industrial millwright is now 56. It is a dirty, very physical job that requires constant upgrading of skills. Two problems here. Lack of good, affordable tech schools, and wages that are lower now, in real money terms, than they were 20 years ago.

The very first thing that the Conservatives cut is education funding. So we don't need American engineers. We can just get them from India. And when they go home, taking skills and knowledge that they gained here with them, you will cry about ungrateful foreign workers.

If you look at the number of engineers graduating in China, India, and even South Korea, you will understand why we are becoming a second rate nation technologically.

Has nothing to do with gov't funding for education. Our lazy, entitled, instant gratification prone kids are too lazy to take the hard stuff in high school and college, anymore. And their parents are too lazy to FORCE them.

Kids of wealthy parents STILL take mostly MUSH in college then whine why no one wants to hire them and their parents whine when they all have to move back into their basements at age 24 because they wasted $100,000 of their parents' money on CRAP.

Actually there are a ton of people taking the "hard" stuff, which isn't necessarily hard. But its retarded to force kids into fields they don't like, and aren't good at. There are jobs for people in all sorts of fields. Hell, when I was in undergrad everyone was all "omg a philosophy degree, thats so useless, blah, blah, blah", but as far as my career goes, it was the single best choice I could have made. I got that, and am successful, because I followed my heart and not idiots like you who somehow think certain majors are gods gift to humanity.

Yea right? I'm a senior director at a fortune 500 company. I don't have a single philosopher on staff. I have one English major, who went back to school and got an MBA in computer systems management. That's it. Most of our sales and marketing team have MBA's and degrees in economics or finance. I know, I'm in the job market every day. The competition for American technical interns is FIERCE. There are 5 positions for every single student in good standing (3.00 or better GPA).

Good luck to any new grad with a philosophy degree trying to get a job today.....get used to life in a soup kitchen....or don't quit that cashier job at Victoria's Secret...

 

[Old Rocks]

Old Rocks
Goddamned right that we do not make many of those here. Most that have talent in those fields have a difficult time paying for their education. Something else we are now making little of is technicians. Electricians and millwrights. The average age of an industrial millwright is now 56. It is a dirty, very physical job that requires constant upgrading of skills. Two problems here. Lack of good, affordable tech schools, and wages that are lower now, in real money terms, than they were 20 years ago.

The very first thing that the Conservatives cut is education funding. So we don't need American engineers. We can just get them from India. And when they go home, taking skills and knowledge that they gained here with them, you will cry about ungrateful foreign workers.

If you look at the number of engineers graduating in China, India, and even South Korea, you will understand why we are becoming a second rate nation technologically.
Zoomie

Has nothing to do with gov't funding for education. Our lazy, entitled, instant gratification prone kids are too lazy to take the hard stuff in high school and college, anymore. And their parents are too lazy to FORCE them.
Kids of wealthy parents STILL take mostly MUSH in college then whine why no one wants to hire them and their parents whine when they all have to move back into their basements at age 24 because they wasted $100,000 of their parents' money on CRAP.

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It took me six years to get three years of courses in Engineering Geology. I was either paying my own way fully, or working at a job for minimum wage and the cost of the tuition and books. That worked until 1972. The costs of just living soared, and the money I had to live on remained the same. So I picked up my tools and went back to being a millwright. Now, after I retire, I may finish up. However, don't ever give me that crap that there is plenty of funding for education for those that are on their own. And don't give me that crap about all those that do not finish being too lazy.

We need to fund education for students that are willing to work for the grades. And we need to encourage them to take the classes that have the skills that we need. Having said that, there is more to living than just work. We should not neglect the humanities, or arts. There should be education of the whole student. Engineers that have no knowledge of history are the kind of people that make such atrocities as the Third Reich possible.

What I am saying, if you consider public funding for higher education socialistic, then I am pushing socialism. What I consider just plain common sense as we are in competition with nations that do fund their best students for higher education, that we do the same.

 

[Zoomie1980]

THE LAW is public domain you retard.. including laws protecting the individual rights of citizens

And last I saw.. assault and battery was against the law

Your ability to provide for yourself is not public domain... you getting yourself around is not something that is public domain for others to encroach on, or to provide for you because you want it...

You have public transit systems for the use of ALL peoples.. you getting provided a car for your individual use is not

What kind of a moron who cannot afford a car CHOOSES to live 7 miles from the nearest bus-stop? I guess the same kind of moron who can't find anything more than minimum wage work....

Maybe you haven't heard about this, but the economy is sorta going down the tubes. When someone loses their job, sometimes they can't afford to make car payments, and then loses their car. Similarly some people live with their parents, who can afford a car, while they themselves can't. I know its really quite stupid for people to choose to be born to parents who can't afford more than one car, but really give them a break.

If the only job I can get is waiting tables, DOWNTOWN, and I live 20 miles out in the suburbs, then I MOVE DOWNTOWN!!! I damned sure as HELL don't expect the taxpayers to build a rail line out my neighborhood or even a bus stop at my street corner.

If you are of sound mind and body in this country and you are poor(not temporarily unemployed but chronically poor), it's your OWN FAULT. Not mine, not anyone else's.

 

[KittenKoder]

What kind of a moron who cannot afford a car CHOOSES to live 7 miles from the nearest bus-stop? I guess the same kind of moron who can't find anything more than minimum wage work....

Maybe you haven't heard about this, but the economy is sorta going down the tubes. When someone loses their job, sometimes they can't afford to make car payments, and then loses their car. Similarly some people live with their parents, who can afford a car, while they themselves can't. I know its really quite stupid for people to choose to be born to parents who can't afford more than one car, but really give them a break.

If the only job I can get is waiting tables, DOWNTOWN, and I live 20 miles out in the suburbs, then I MOVE DOWNTOWN!!! I damned sure as HELL don't expect the taxpayers to build a rail line out my neighborhood or even a bus stop at my street corner.

If you are of sound mind and body in this country and you are poor(not temporarily unemployed but chronically poor), it's your OWN FAULT. Not mine, not anyone else's.

That's just as bad as those morons who want to give everything to the poor for free.

 

[Nik]

Has nothing to do with gov't funding for education. Our lazy, entitled, instant gratification prone kids are too lazy to take the hard stuff in high school and college, anymore. And their parents are too lazy to FORCE them.

Kids of wealthy parents STILL take mostly MUSH in college then whine why no one wants to hire them and their parents whine when they all have to move back into their basements at age 24 because they wasted $100,000 of their parents' money on CRAP.

Actually there are a ton of people taking the "hard" stuff, which isn't necessarily hard. But its retarded to force kids into fields they don't like, and aren't good at. There are jobs for people in all sorts of fields. Hell, when I was in undergrad everyone was all "omg a philosophy degree, thats so useless, blah, blah, blah", but as far as my career goes, it was the single best choice I could have made. I got that, and am successful, because I followed my heart and not idiots like you who somehow think certain majors are gods gift to humanity.

Yea right? I'm a senior director at a fortune 500 company. I don't have a single philosopher on staff. I have one English major, who went back to school and got an MBA in computer systems management. That's it. Most of our sales and marketing team have MBA's and degrees in economics or finance. I know, I'm in the job market every day. The competition for American technical interns is FIERCE. There are 5 positions for every single student in good standing (3.00 or better GPA).

Good luck to any new grad with a philosophy degree trying to get a job today.....get used to life in a soup kitchen....or don't quit that cashier job at Victoria's Secret...

Congratulations. I make $50k a year working an average of about 5 hours a week, since I am a full time student. And yes, that was done with my philosophy degree. Merely because your world is so narrowly focused on your own needs and interests doesn't mean people who fall outside those interests somehow can't get jobs. Once I'm out of school I'll have the option to be making $150k+ straight out of grad school. Or I could just stick to what I'm doing now. $100 an hour jobs are fun. I don't think I'll be seeing a soup kitchen anytime soon.

 

[Zoomie1980]

Old Rocks
Goddamned right that we do not make many of those here. Most that have talent in those fields have a difficult time paying for their education. Something else we are now making little of is technicians. Electricians and millwrights. The average age of an industrial millwright is now 56. It is a dirty, very physical job that requires constant upgrading of skills. Two problems here. Lack of good, affordable tech schools, and wages that are lower now, in real money terms, than they were 20 years ago.

The very first thing that the Conservatives cut is education funding. So we don't need American engineers. We can just get them from India. And when they go home, taking skills and knowledge that they gained here with them, you will cry about ungrateful foreign workers.

If you look at the number of engineers graduating in China, India, and even South Korea, you will understand why we are becoming a second rate nation technologically.
Zoomie

Has nothing to do with gov't funding for education. Our lazy, entitled, instant gratification prone kids are too lazy to take the hard stuff in high school and college, anymore. And their parents are too lazy to FORCE them.
Kids of wealthy parents STILL take mostly MUSH in college then whine why no one wants to hire them and their parents whine when they all have to move back into their basements at age 24 because they wasted $100,000 of their parents' money on CRAP.

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It took me six years to get three years of courses in Engineering Geology. I was either paying my own way fully, or working at a job for minimum wage and the cost of the tuition and books. That worked until 1972. The costs of just living soared, and the money I had to live on remained the same. So I picked up my tools and went back to being a millwright. Now, after I retire, I may finish up. However, don't ever give me that crap that there is plenty of funding for education for those that are on their own. And don't give me that crap about all those that do not finish being too lazy.

We need to fund education for students that are willing to work for the grades. And we need to encourage them to take the classes that have the skills that we need. Having said that, there is more to living than just work. We should not neglect the humanities, or arts. There should be education of the whole student. Engineers that have no knowledge of history are the kind of people that make such atrocities as the Third Reich possible.

What I am saying, if you consider public funding for higher education socialistic, then I am pushing socialism. What I consider just plain common sense as we are in competition with nations that do fund their best students for higher education, that we do the same.

Most four year universities require extensive humanities for engineers, economists, accounting, nursing, science, etc.... I have and EXTENSIVE background in history, philosophy, literature, but my DEGREES are in Chemistry, Mathematics and Computer Science, along with my MBA.....all paid for MYSELF, not by mommy and daddy.

The other missing element is the NEED for COLLEGE to be SUCCESSFUL? Since when teaching your kid to strive for excellence in a trade such a bad thing? My most successful nephew is a master commercial plumber....not a single college credit on the kid's resume.

There's just so much CRAP taught on college campus' these days that server NO PURPOSE except to bring tuition income into the school.

 

[Nik]

What kind of a moron who cannot afford a car CHOOSES to live 7 miles from the nearest bus-stop? I guess the same kind of moron who can't find anything more than minimum wage work....

Maybe you haven't heard about this, but the economy is sorta going down the tubes. When someone loses their job, sometimes they can't afford to make car payments, and then loses their car. Similarly some people live with their parents, who can afford a car, while they themselves can't. I know its really quite stupid for people to choose to be born to parents who can't afford more than one car, but really give them a break.

If the only job I can get is waiting tables, DOWNTOWN, and I live 20 miles out in the suburbs, then I MOVE DOWNTOWN!!! I damned sure as HELL don't expect the taxpayers to build a rail line out my neighborhood or even a bus stop at my street corner.

If you are of sound mind and body in this country and you are poor(not temporarily unemployed but chronically poor), it's your OWN FAULT. Not mine, not anyone else's.

Right...because moving is so cheap and inexpensive, and can be done by someone who just lost their job

 

[KittenKoder]

People should not get paid more just because they have a piece of paper with their name on it. No wonder our products (the few we still make here) suck.

 

[Zoomie1980]

Actually there are a ton of people taking the "hard" stuff, which isn't necessarily hard. But its retarded to force kids into fields they don't like, and aren't good at. There are jobs for people in all sorts of fields. Hell, when I was in undergrad everyone was all "omg a philosophy degree, thats so useless, blah, blah, blah", but as far as my career goes, it was the single best choice I could have made. I got that, and am successful, because I followed my heart and not idiots like you who somehow think certain majors are gods gift to humanity.

Yea right? I'm a senior director at a fortune 500 company. I don't have a single philosopher on staff. I have one English major, who went back to school and got an MBA in computer systems management. That's it. Most of our sales and marketing team have MBA's and degrees in economics or finance. I know, I'm in the job market every day. The competition for American technical interns is FIERCE. There are 5 positions for every single student in good standing (3.00 or better GPA).

Good luck to any new grad with a philosophy degree trying to get a job today.....get used to life in a soup kitchen....or don't quit that cashier job at Victoria's Secret...

Congratulations. I make $50k a year working an average of about 5 hours a week, since I am a full time student. And yes, that was done with my philosophy degree. Merely because your world is so narrowly focused on your own needs and interests doesn't mean people who fall outside those interests somehow can't get jobs. Once I'm out of school I'll have the option to be making $150k+ straight out of grad school. Or I could just stick to what I'm doing now. $100 an hour jobs are fun. I don't think I'll be seeing a soup kitchen anytime soon.

Bottom line, you are full of crap. I can smell utter BS when I read it, and that is you.

Whoever is going to pay you that for your "philosophy" is will be bankrupt and out of business pretty soon....unless you have a NY Times best seller on the shelf. SO who's your employer, what do they sell and who is paying you $160/hr for you philosophical insight? Don't apply at my firm. We might be able to find a $11/hr spot for you in the mailroom....

 

[Nik]

Yea right? I'm a senior director at a fortune 500 company. I don't have a single philosopher on staff. I have one English major, who went back to school and got an MBA in computer systems management. That's it. Most of our sales and marketing team have MBA's and degrees in economics or finance. I know, I'm in the job market every day. The competition for American technical interns is FIERCE. There are 5 positions for every single student in good standing (3.00 or better GPA).

Good luck to any new grad with a philosophy degree trying to get a job today.....get used to life in a soup kitchen....or don't quit that cashier job at Victoria's Secret...

Congratulations. I make $50k a year working an average of about 5 hours a week, since I am a full time student. And yes, that was done with my philosophy degree. Merely because your world is so narrowly focused on your own needs and interests doesn't mean people who fall outside those interests somehow can't get jobs. Once I'm out of school I'll have the option to be making $150k+ straight out of grad school. Or I could just stick to what I'm doing now. $100 an hour jobs are fun. I don't think I'll be seeing a soup kitchen anytime soon.

Bottom line, you are full of crap. I can smell utter BS when I read it, and that is you.

Whoever is going to pay you that for your "philosophy" is will be bankrupt and out of business pretty soon....unless you have a NY Times best seller on the shelf. SO who's your employer, what do they sell and who is paying you $160/hr for you philosophical insight? Don't apply at my firm. We might be able to find a $11/hr spot for you in the mailroom....

Its called being self employed. I don't get $160 an hour, my max so far has been $150 an hour. I usually charge between $80 and $100. Philosophy gives you a capability to reason in a technical and analytical sense that no other discipline provides. Hence it can allow one to do extremely well on the LSAT, which one can teach for exorbitant rates. It is also, amazingly, a recession-proof job since when the economy is fucked, more people want to go to law school.