France’s Surprising Resistance to Gay Marriage

[American_Jihad]

France’s Surprising Resistance to Gay Marriage ​

January 15, 2013
Robert Royal

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Relations between Church and State in France, however, have remained testy ever since, including this weekend’s confrontation over the effort of François Hollande’s French Socialists, who control all the important levers of political power at the moment, to impose so-called gay marriage on the nation—and while they’re at it, gay adoption, and government-funded artificial insemination for lesbian couples. That was too much for many.

In classic French fashion, a huge number of people went into the streets—descendre dans la rue being almost a formal political process in France. Numbers are always contested, but about 800,000 and perhaps as many as one million people—five times Napoleon’s figure—marched three different parade routes to the Eiffel Tower Sunday.

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France’s Surprising Resistance to Gay Marriage | First Things

 

[Noomi]

800,000 homophobes, right there.

Good thing I don't live in France.

 

[Swagger]

800,000 homophobes, right there.

Good thing I don't live in France.

Replace that adjective with 'Catholics' and you'd be closer to the truth. But why do homosexuals have to hijack a ceremony that belongs to the church? Why not push for the enactment of a recognised union of their own?

 

[WorldWatcher]

800,000 homophobes, right there.

Good thing I don't live in France.

Replace that adjective with 'Catholics' and you'd be closer to the truth. But why do homosexuals have to hijack a ceremony that belongs to the church?

Civil Marriage doesn't belong to the Church. Marriage exists in two realms: Civil and Religioius. Civil Marriage is that which functions under governmental law, Religious Marriage is recognized be religious institutions.

Why not push for the enactment of a recognised union of their own?

Or we could just have Civil Unions for everyone (same-sex and different-sex couples) which "marriage" being between the individuals and their respective religious institution.


:SHRUG: In the end it is France's decision whether or not to extend equal treatment to same-sex couples in the area of Same-sex Civil Marriage.


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[Swagger]

Apologies for not being clearer, WW. I'm not opposed to civil partnerships, which is what we call them in the UK (and they're legally recognised and binding). I'm just opposed to homosexuals hijacking and established religious ceremony that's currently only reserved for hetrosexual couples.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Apologies for not being clearer, WW. I'm not opposed to civil partnerships, which is what we call them in the UK (and they're legally recognised and binding). I'm just opposed to homosexuals hijacking and established religious ceremony that's currently only reserved for hetrosexual couples.

I can't speak for the UK Swag, but here in the United States we have a Constitution which protects the rights of Churches to perform religious ceremonies based on their own teachings. No Churches are forced to perform (and never have been) a religious interracial, interfaith, divorced, or same-sex religious marriage.

There are many Churches here though which have been performing religious marriages for same-sex couples for decades. But those Religious Marriages, in many places here, are not recognized as valid Civil Marriages under the law.


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[Noomi]

800,000 homophobes, right there.

Good thing I don't live in France.

Replace that adjective with 'Catholics' and you'd be closer to the truth. But why do homosexuals have to hijack a ceremony that belongs to the church? Why not push for the enactment of a recognised union of their own?

Allow gay marriage but deny them the right to marry in a church unless they have permission.

Problem solved.

 

[American_Jihad]

800,000 homophobes, right there.

Good thing I don't live in France.

Replace that adjective with 'Catholics' and you'd be closer to the truth. But why do homosexuals have to hijack a ceremony that belongs to the church? Why not push for the enactment of a recognised union of their own?

Allow gay marriage but deny them the right to marry in a church unless they have permission.

Problem solved.

That's moronic...

 

[mememe]

800,000 homophobes, right there.

Good thing I don't live in France.

Waw! "Homophobes"?!

Liberals did brainwash you big time!

So, when HEALTHY segment of a society after years of liberal dictatorship rises up in defence of the future of the society you fall over yourselves in calling them names. Where is your sense of "democracy"? Don't PEOPLE have the right to decide what they want for themselves?!

I am sure, French are glad that pederastophile like yourself doesn't live in France.

 

[AmyNation]

France already allows civil unions.

 

[waltky]

Granny wantin' to know when somebody gonna speak up for gray marriage - she wants to get her a man...

French gay marriage plans stir parenthood debate
Jan 31,`13 -- The French are all for sex and all for family - so long you're having sex to create one. Anything dealing with assisted reproduction makes a sizable portion of them uncomfortable, as the president's plans to legalize gay marriage have unexpectedly exposed.

The debate over whether society and science are overreaching when it comes to parenthood has sent thousands into the streets, turned the bridges over the Seine into billboards and prompted charges that women's bodies will soon be for rent in a society that still has surprisingly deep conservative roots. President Francois Hollande's promise to legalize gay marriage was seen as relatively uncontroversial when it first came up as a campaign pledge. Then, as the debate began this week, his justice minister quietly issued an order to grant French birth certificates for children born to surrogates abroad. The news reopened a raw and unwelcome national debate on fertility treatments, surrogacy and adoption. Assisted reproduction is off-limits to all but heterosexual couples showing at least two years of companionship. Egg donation has been regulated nearly into non-existence, and surrogacy of any kind is punishable by a prison term.

Infuriated opponents pounced, accusing the Socialist government of underhanded tactics to transform families. Despite France's liberal attitudes and Socialist government, the country also has strong Roman Catholic influence and prides itself on its strong support for traditional families. Justice Minister Christiane Taubira went before a raucous parliamentary session Wednesday to defend her order, half the lawmakers giving her an ovation and another sizeable group trying to jeer her into silence. "You're encouraging methods that are illegal in our country, that are an attack on human dignity," Jean-Francois Cope, the opposition leader, accused her on Wednesday. "Children become objects, objects that can be bought and sold." Taubira said the order was only a reflection of current citizenship law, not a new regulation that would lead to legalized surrogacy within France. "It affirms French nationality, it doesn't grant it," she said, insisting that no one - from the president on down - wanted French surrogate mothers.

Facing unexpected opposition to their once-popular plans to legalize gay marriage, Hollande's Socialists in early January dropped plans to link the measure to relaxed restrictions on fertility treatments. And Taubira on Wednesday reiterated earlier denials of any plan to legalize surrogacy. About 200 egg-donor babies and about 1,000 sperm-donor babies are born annually to French people according to official government figures, with thousands of couples waiting for years for a chance to try. In France, egg donors must already have children of their own and are not allowed reimbursement for many of the expenses related to the donation - including travel and childcare. Sperm donors face similar restrictions, including showing proof of prior fatherhood. In 2010, 299 men donated sperm in France. Surrogacy is widely reviled, even among those who want to open access to fertility treatments.

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[Luthor]

wish americans were like this, but the french did vote in a gay man for president. what else is he going to promote?

 

[AmyNation]

Granny wantin' to know when somebody gonna speak up for gray marriage - she wants to get her a man...

French gay marriage plans stir parenthood debate
Jan 31,`13 -- The French are all for sex and all for family - so long you're having sex to create one. Anything dealing with assisted reproduction makes a sizable portion of them uncomfortable, as the president's plans to legalize gay marriage have unexpectedly exposed.

The debate over whether society and science are overreaching when it comes to parenthood has sent thousands into the streets, turned the bridges over the Seine into billboards and prompted charges that women's bodies will soon be for rent in a society that still has surprisingly deep conservative roots. President Francois Hollande's promise to legalize gay marriage was seen as relatively uncontroversial when it first came up as a campaign pledge. Then, as the debate began this week, his justice minister quietly issued an order to grant French birth certificates for children born to surrogates abroad. The news reopened a raw and unwelcome national debate on fertility treatments, surrogacy and adoption. Assisted reproduction is off-limits to all but heterosexual couples showing at least two years of companionship. Egg donation has been regulated nearly into non-existence, and surrogacy of any kind is punishable by a prison term.

Infuriated opponents pounced, accusing the Socialist government of underhanded tactics to transform families. Despite France's liberal attitudes and Socialist government, the country also has strong Roman Catholic influence and prides itself on its strong support for traditional families. Justice Minister Christiane Taubira went before a raucous parliamentary session Wednesday to defend her order, half the lawmakers giving her an ovation and another sizeable group trying to jeer her into silence. "You're encouraging methods that are illegal in our country, that are an attack on human dignity," Jean-Francois Cope, the opposition leader, accused her on Wednesday. "Children become objects, objects that can be bought and sold." Taubira said the order was only a reflection of current citizenship law, not a new regulation that would lead to legalized surrogacy within France. "It affirms French nationality, it doesn't grant it," she said, insisting that no one - from the president on down - wanted French surrogate mothers.

Facing unexpected opposition to their once-popular plans to legalize gay marriage, Hollande's Socialists in early January dropped plans to link the measure to relaxed restrictions on fertility treatments. And Taubira on Wednesday reiterated earlier denials of any plan to legalize surrogacy. About 200 egg-donor babies and about 1,000 sperm-donor babies are born annually to French people according to official government figures, with thousands of couples waiting for years for a chance to try. In France, egg donors must already have children of their own and are not allowed reimbursement for many of the expenses related to the donation - including travel and childcare. Sperm donors face similar restrictions, including showing proof of prior fatherhood. In 2010, 299 men donated sperm in France. Surrogacy is widely reviled, even among those who want to open access to fertility treatments.

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Exactly. It's really not about gay marriage in France. Marriage isn't very popular there anyway. It's about children. Gay couples have absolutly no rights where children are concerned. They can't adopt and they are barred from getting invetro.

 

[American_Jihad]

wish americans were like this, but the french did vote in a gay man for president. what else is he going to promote?

I thought he was a progressive bisexual socialist...

 

[theHawk]

The vast majority of people know homosexuality is disgusting, and should not be condoned.

Does anyone really want children to be exposed to, much less raised by queers? Everyone knows queers are more likely to molest children. It is after all, how most of them were "recruited".

 

[AmyNation]

The vast majority of people know homosexuality is disgusting, and should not be condoned.

Does anyone really want children to be exposed to, much less raised by queers? Everyone knows queers are more likely to molest children. It is after all, how most of them were "recruited".

Obvious baiting post is obvious.

 

[Katzndogz]

France has always prided itself on being secular, not Catholic. Islam is growing faster in France than elsewhere in Europe. Naturally, it is the most secular country in Europe. The road to islam rights right through secularism. Before the muslims are done, gays will be swinging from the lamp posts.

 

[AmyNation]

Nearly 70% of French are Catholic, there are more gay people in France than there are Muslims.

 

[Katzndogz]

Nearly 70% of French are Catholic, there are more gay people in France than there are Muslims.

Evidently, not for long.

 

[American_Jihad]

Nearly 70% of French are Catholic, there are more gay people in France than there are Muslims.

But gays don't hang mooslims...

I think your numbers are bias/BS...

Nearly 70% of French are Catholic - Google Search


French President Tells Catholic Schools To Take Vow Of Silence On Gay-Marriage Debate

French President Tells Catholic Schools To Take Vow Of Silence On Gay-Marriage Debate / Queerty

I think da french president is a bisexual like obongo...