France Proves That Not Everyone Is Paying Attention

[BlackAsCoal]

The modern conservative plays martyrdom like a fiddle, even if they win they lose. It is so interesting how they are always the loser, and as the loser, pity must be felt for them as all things out there challenge them. Conservatives only exist - feel real - in the strange world of a sinking ship, for when the ship is not sinking, they have no place to hide and whine that great losses are upon them. What a weird ideology the right has become, in losing or even winning, the world is against them.


"Conservatives often complain that they’ve been exiled from power, whether in the corridors of the Capitol or the pages of the New York Times. Yet conservative ideas have dominated American politics for thirty years. The centerpiece of that dominance is the notion that the market equals freedom and government is the threat to freedom. Despite the Great Recession and election of Barack Obama, the most progressive candidate to win the presidency since 1964, that idea retains its hold. The ideological realignment we have been waiting for, in which that idea is repudiated, has yet to come." Reclaiming the Politics of Freedom | The Nation


Read this book for it clarifies an ideology I used to take seriously. Amazon.com: The Reactionary Mind: Conservatism from Edmund Burke to Sarah Palin (9780199793747): Corey Robin: Books

You are wrong that government spending per definition creates jobs. It just as often wipes them out. The equation is much more complex than you suggest.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/economy/220510-the-greatest-job-creator-of-all-time.html

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If I am misreading this I apologize .. but the last time I was posting here I believe you were a conservative. I ask with all due respect.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Ariux,

What do you mean by more tyranny? What tyranny has France ever had (other than Hitler)?

Socialism is a form of tyranny.
Socialism assumes all wealth is the property of the central government. Politicians assume the role of parents to all. People are not considered citizens, but rather subjects of the government.
Socialism robs the producers and rewards the non producers. Socialism bestows gobs of money upon it's people.
Socialism places an undue burden upon wage earners while it supports those who are permitted to take advantage of those who work, with no accountability.

 

[thereisnospoon]

So the conservatives around here are MOCKING the French people for throwing out the SITTING PRESIDENT just because they aren't happy with how things are going in their country?

Isn't that interesting...

Stupidity should be mocked. They can vote for a new president, but they can't vote for a new economy. The economy of France depends on the support of Germany. So does Greece. Italy and Spain depend on the tithings of Northern Europe to the EU. France's government is now so big that it can't be supported only by the French. In effect, as members of the EU, the overspending South can vote themselves funds from the treasuries of the countries in the North. This won't go on. Germany is getting fed up with the hand out to people who won't work. They will shortly refuse to pay. The EU will squabble, try to force the issue and the continent will again be at war.

I would like nothing more than to see the EU crumble and fail.

 

[The Rabbi]

Yea but if they did you'd have Euro-wienies running around saying the problem was they didnt integrate enough.

 

[Mr.Nick]

Then why do even conservative politicians throw fits when someone suggests, for example, ending a defense spending program that will shut down the factory in their state or district that gets the contract for that program?

Because they don't have the courage to stand up for their principles.

And, because contrary to what the other poster said, they know that government spending does create jobs, does bring home the bacon to the districts, and does get politicians re-elected when it's spent in the right places.

Government spending doesn't work....

It costs a dollar to spend a dollar.

Not to mention Obama's spending went right to the labor unions and state governments.

It's not exactly like the out of work accountant benefited from the stimulus'...

 

[NYcarbineer]

Because they don't have the courage to stand up for their principles.

And, because contrary to what the other poster said, they know that government spending does create jobs, does bring home the bacon to the districts, and does get politicians re-elected when it's spent in the right places.

You are wrong that government spending per definition creates jobs. It just as often wipes them out. The equation is much more complex than you suggest.

You could say that about any spending. You create a teacher's job with government spending, true, the money needed to pay the teacher can't pay someone else's wages. But you still created a job.

If you create painter's job because people want to pay to have their houses painted, you can't use that money that pays the painter to pay a teacher. So the private sector can create a job but it isn't any different than a job the government creates.

What was your point, exactly?

 

[Claudette]

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I wonder how the geniuses who thought it was possible to bring 17 freakin' sovereign countries under one freakin' currency feel about their little plan now?

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I'm sure German is, and has been, kicking itself in the ass for years now.

It wouldn't surprise me if Germany told the EU to fuck off and started printiing Deuch Marks and declared itself seperate nations once again.

I sure as hell would.

 

[francoHFW]

I think they should thank Cronyism and Corruption greedy Pubs for the DEPRESSION, AGAIN, and take your austerity OVERKILL and shove it up your safety net destroying asses. Tories too. And we're not too crazy about Germans telling others what they have to do, while grabbing up all the advantages.

 

[NoNukes]

The conservatives of Europe are not the equivalent of our Republicans. They are more like our blue dog dems.... it always makes me laugh when US liberals in the US assume that conservative is the same here as it is there.

Liberals understand European conservatives, it is American conservatives who are confused.

 

[NoNukes]

Does anyone know that Hollande broke up his marriage and is now fucking the journalist Valerie from Paris Match? He specifically did this as a way to the top.

Anything for power. He fucked over his wife of three decades and four children.

And what did Sarcozy do when he was elected?

 

[Misty]

It is hard to make a success of a party that tells people no more government hand outs cuz half the country has it's hand out.

 

[francoHFW]

Does anyone know that Hollande broke up his marriage and is now fucking the journalist Valerie from Paris Match? He specifically did this as a way to the top.

Anything for power. He fucked over his wife of three decades and four children.

And what did Sarcozy do when he was elected?

Pub dupes know NOTHING, period. Hollande's wife was the Socialist candidate for President in 2007, IDIOT.

The French mandate no gossip in politics. We should do the same. It's BULLSHYTTE, distracts from issues that MATTER- just gets you the best liars, ie PUBS.

Pub dupes- stupidest voters going, a disgrace.

 

[Clementine]

The conservatives of Europe are not the equivalent of our Republicans. They are more like our blue dog dems.... it always makes me laugh when US liberals in the US assume that conservative is the same here as it is there.

Exactly. And that makes their far left super radical.

Funny how Obama is wanting Hollande to wait to initiate his radical policies. Obama said it would hurt the world economy. I think Obama doesn't want Hollande to show the world exactly how dangerous the far left's ideas are before the election. Because if the radical policies of the left are bad now, they won't be any better for the world economy later. Maybe the leftie leaders are getting together so they can take down capitalism all at once.

 

[thereisnospoon]

The conservatives of Europe are not the equivalent of our Republicans. They are more like our blue dog dems.... it always makes me laugh when US liberals in the US assume that conservative is the same here as it is there.

Exactly. And that makes their far left super radical.

Funny how Obama is wanting Hollande to wait to initiate his radical policies. Obama said it would hurt the world economy. I think Obama doesn't want Hollande to show the world exactly how dangerous the far left's ideas are before the election. Because if the radical policies of the left are bad now, they won't be any better for the world economy later. Maybe the leftie leaders are getting together so they can take down capitalism all at once.

Obama should be pissing his pants. If the new French government goes with radical socialism, the world financial markets already jittery over the election results in France and Greece, would no doubt go into a tailspin.
These traders and analysts are very smart people. They know socialism is averse to strong economies.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Does anyone know that Hollande broke up his marriage and is now fucking the journalist Valerie from Paris Match? He specifically did this as a way to the top.

Anything for power. He fucked over his wife of three decades and four children.

And what did Sarcozy do when he was elected?

Pub dupes know NOTHING, period. Hollande's wife was the Socialist candidate for President in 2007, IDIOT.

The French mandate no gossip in politics. We should do the same. It's BULLSHYTTE, distracts from issues that MATTER- just gets you the best liars, ie PUBS.

Pub dupes- stupidest voters going, a disgrace.

Franco...Stupidest poster on USMB...Well a three way tie between Franco, Rinata and Truthmatters.
The three of you are a cold fucking trifecta.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Does anyone know that Hollande broke up his marriage and is now fucking the journalist Valerie from Paris Match? He specifically did this as a way to the top.

Anything for power. He fucked over his wife of three decades and four children.

And what did Sarcozy do when he was elected?

Straw man argument. Non-sequitur.