France Is Interesting In Its Machinations

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    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060311/ap_on_re_eu/france_student_protests
     
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    the evacuation by the CRS (Republican Company of Security, elite of the police, expect the RAID, the police commandos) of the Sorbonne was a good thing, this occpuation was illegal.
    And the CRS offers to the youthes to leave quiet, and they recieve chairs as answer.

    The youthes occup several universities, and sometimes they impeach the acces to the amphitheaters. Lot of youhtes, then, can't follow their instruction.

    They're against the CPE, the new contract for the youthes, but often, it's by ignorance of the situation of the CPE and the social laws (very good in France for the workers, but sometimes too good, then, bad for the enterprises).
     
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    What does the new law state exactly with respect to "youths"?
     
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    ??

    I'm sorry, I'm not sure to have well understand your question, can you explain it ? sorry again.
     
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    What is it about the new employments laws or ammendments to the present laws that upset the students so much?
     
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    Well.

    This CPE has a perdio of 2 years when the chief of eneterprise can fired the worker without a real reason.

    It's a "crash" with the very protecting work law in France for the workers.

    but a lot ignore that there is all the same a time before to be fired ( a notice of one month), and indemnities.

    And they don't understand really why this CPE has been created (to support the creation of jobs, the offer of work).

    So, they believe that the ugly bosses will fired everytime the youthes...


    They don't see the good sides, the necessity of reform and they don't really know our legislation about the Work and don't see the chance to be a worker in France (a lot of rights, really).

    They fear for their future, without real reason in fact.
     
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    i have no idea where the persons under 26 years old win anything. I have read about differences that would proove the opposite actually. It seems the bosses are the winners, not the workers. What I dislike the most is how Villepin imposed that contract even though he knew how MANY citizens are against it... I wouldn't call it democracy. But let's just see how things happen and we'll judge after that...

    Can't wait for 2007...
     
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    It's not right to selectively target the youth. Hiring and firing should be made more flexible for EVERYBODY. This is going to create intergenerational strife.
     
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    It's not only for the youthes : CPE is, but before it, during the Summer, the CNE was promulgated, this contract concern everybody (not only the youthes).

    CPE was created to make better the employement of the youthes, the youthes fond quite hardly jobs.

    With our very protecting legislation for the worker, the boss is not incitated to take youthes, becasue they have not a real professional experience : if it appears he was not able to do well his job, the youthes will be all the same protected, it will cost a lot for the boss to lay him of. (lot of indemnities).

    With this contract, the boss can take somebody unqualified, he makes the formation of this youth, and if the youth is good, it's not in the interest of the boss to lay him off. He will keep him in his enterprise.

    Exemple : actually : a 24-years-old man want a job, he has not a real professional experience. 3 solutions :

    - the boss take him, this guy is good, perfect.
    - the boss take him, this guy sucks at work, the boss want to lay him off, but he would have to pay to him several indemnities, often a lot. So, if it is a rich enterprise, OK, if not >> danger for the enterprise to lay him off (lost of money), but not good to keep him, because he's unable to work correctly.

    - The boss doesn't take him. Often.


    With the CPE :

    - The boss take him, the guy is good, he will be kept. He sucks, he will be layed off.
    But the boss will really easily take him in his enterprise, the "stress" of the indemnities and bad qualification has quite disappear.

    So, better for the employement rate of the youthes, they will find jobs easily.

    And if the youth is layed off (sometimes because he was not good, sometimes becasue he was good but the boss layed him off anyway), he will have more professional experience. Then, he will find easily a job with a "real" CDI (contract with an undeterminate time, the dream for a worker). Because a boss risk very rarely to take a youth with a CDI, directly.

    the CPE is a CDI, with a formation period of 2 years maximum. And the end of this time, the contract will be a normal CDI, so very protecting for the worker.
    But it is not bad here because the boss know that the worker is able to work well, so, he want to keep him.



    >>>>>>>> 2 advantages :

    - best for the youthes to find a job easily, so more creation of jobs
    - best for the youth to earn professional experience.



    But a lot of people are against it because they have not all the informations, or bad ones.

    They believe that they will be layed off without notice (time before the worker is effectivly layed off) and without money.

    WRONG : they will have notice (more they work during the time of 2 years, more this notice is long : they work during 7 monthes : notice of 1 month), and they will have indemnities. Less than with a classic CDI, but quite good all the same, the State will pay them.


    De Villepin want to keep this CPE against the majority of the population, becasue he knows that our work legislation has to be reformed and that CPE is not so bad, and can be great.

    Denmark has a kind of CPE, it works well.
     
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    So, continue the Iraq war against the majority of the population is not democracy, hmm ?


    CPE can be very good for the youthes. It's why it is kept. ;)
     

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