France is Fucked

[M.D. Rawlings]

The people of Germany will not dig this at all. This development along with the Grecian people's refusal to stay the course with austerity could be the final deal breaker for Germany. The European Union is in serious trouble.

And again, that might not be a bad thing. The idea that you have an international currency that no one really controls the value of leads to all sorts of problems.

The problem with the EU is that it allowed a lot of countries in that never should have been allowed in because their economies were not even on the same level as the main players. It would be lke we allowed statehood to Mexico, and got them under the dollar, but they still had their own government and economic conditions.

Agree. Maybe. That is to say, it's probably good for Germany, not necessarily for the rest of the Union at this point, particularly France.

 

[freedombecki]

Yes, exactly it was, and that is exactly my point.

Saying the US liberated France is inaccurate to the point of being insulting.

The UK was the largest single force, and a number of other countries also had large forces involved.

Umm...Before the U.S. entered the war; the whole of Europe was occupied except Britain, who was in the process of being pounded by the Germans. doesn't really say much about the European politicians and their military does it? And we are still their? You idiots can fund your own defense.... Ungrateful bastards

Switzerland was never occupied.

That's because the German Nazis kept them busy counting all the money and valuables they collected off Jewish people they murdered after taking their clothes off and sending them into mass showers for "delousing," except the gas was so strong it killed all the people taking "showers."

 

[tigerbob]

I really hate to see this kind of ignorance repeated. It's a sad day when people learn their history for Spielbrg movies.

France was liberated by largely British and Free French forces, with additional troops from Canada, the US, ANZACS and a half dozen other countries such as India.

Saying the US liberated France is like saying New Zealand overthrew Saddam Hussein.

D-day was a U.S. led invasion, we also rebuilt Europe with the Marshall Plan ungrateful idiots

Rebuilding, Marshall Plan, had nothing to do with France, since it wasn't bombed.

That's somewhat misleading. The vast majority of damage to France came from ground troops fighting their way through the country for several months, with armored support.

 

[tigerbob]

Sorry but no one person planned the invasion it was a joint effort.. Wikipedia?

Yes, exactly it was, and that is exactly my point.

Saying the US liberated France is inaccurate to the point of being insulting.

The UK was the largest single force, and a number of other countries also had large forces involved.

Umm...Before the U.S. entered the war; the whole of Europe was occupied except Britain, who was in the process of being pounded by the Germans. doesn't really say much about the European politicians and their military does it? And we are still their? You idiots can fund your own defense.... Ungrateful bastards

Those are reasonable observations. European politicians have nobody but themselves to blame for leaving the juggernaut of German rearmament unchecked until it became unstoppable by anything but geography.

 

[tigerbob]

Umm...Before the U.S. entered the war; the whole of Europe was occupied except Britain, who was in the process of being pounded by the Germans. doesn't really say much about the European politicians and their military does it? And we are still their? You idiots can fund your own defense.... Ungrateful bastards

Firstly, no, not all of Continental Europe was occupied by the Nazis. (Off the top of my head: Sweden, Switzerland, Spain, Portugal, Turkey and much of Eastern Europe).

Secondly, countries like Belgium, Holland, Poland or Denmark could no more defeat the neighbouring superpower on a battlefield than Hawaii could single handedly defeat Japan. They all fought, but but their defeat was less a failure of politics or military preparation than of geography.

Lastly, all European countries DO, and always have, funded their own defense. Many also assist in the defense of US interests as part of NATO. It's called co-operation.

Why were European armies in Korea, Viet Nam or Iraq?

To protect US interests, not European interests.

That's completely incorrect.

 

[tigerbob]

And 90% of the material, ships and equipment were American. We also bombed the crap out of Germany on a daily basis. Furthermore, after the initial landing, the U.S. poured millions of troops into the Europe

Yes, yes, yes...America saved the world. No one else was involved. It was all America.

America liberated Poland single handedly, poured troops into the Ukraine and was the only country to ever defeat the Soviet Union on the battlefield.

Jesus wept.

btw, it is not 'the' Europe, just 'Europe'.

Yes, we pretty much did save the world. We provided about 80% of all the material and weapons for prosecuting the war. We provided the Soviets with all of their trucks, much of their air force and much of their raw materials, food and equipment. If it wasn't for U.S. aid, U.S. bombing of Germany, and U.S. invasions in Africa, Italy and France, Germany would have wipe Russia out.

It's absolutely true that the US provided much of the material for fighting the war.

But...

The U.S. invaded Africa? That's a bit of a stretch. The US got there eventually, but the North Africa campaign started in the summer of 1940, a full 18 months before the US entered the war. The US lost under 20,000 killed wounded or missing, whereas Commonwealth and Free French losses were about a quarter of a million.

The Allied invasion of Italy took place after the German invasion of Russia had failed and been turned back.

As to the bombing of Germany, up until the end of 1943, the British discharge of bombs on Germany exceeded that of the US by 8 to 1.

None of which takes away from the invaluable efforts of the US in turning the tide of the war, but let's not get carried way with "America saved the world". Hitler make three desperately stupid decisions in WWII.

1. He failed to invade Britain immediately after Dunkirk.
2. He declared war on the USA.
2. He broke his pact with Russia and launched Barbarossa, thereby starting the war on 2 fronts which he himself had said should be avoided at all costs..

 

[tigerbob]

You are badly mistaken. US forces landing on Normandy on D-day numbered 73,000 men, on two beaches. The British landed 61,715. Canadians landed on the British beaches numbered 22,400.

Landings were not the only aspect of D-Day. If you factor in the British troops also involved in the air and sea assaults, the British were the largest single force. Operation Neptune involved huge naval forces, including 6939 vessels: 1213 naval combat ships, 4126 landing ships and landing craft, 736 ancillary craft and 864 merchant vessels. Some 195,700 personnel were assigned to Operation Neptune: 52,889 US, 112,824 British, and 4988 from other Allied countries.

So no, I am not badly mistaken.

How did that first expeditionary force work out for Great Britain? Does Dunkirk ring a bell ?

Yup, it was 4 years earlier. Point?

 

[Big Black Dog]

I've been fucked in France... Is that the same thing we're talking about here?

 

[Toro]

The people of Germany will not dig this at all. This development along with the Grecian people's refusal to stay the course with austerity could be the final deal breaker for Germany. The European Union is in serious trouble.

Higher taxes and spending in France is not a German issue.

Besides, cut through the rhetoric of the election and France is unlikely to change course much regarding their stance on the PIIGS. France has been dovish from the get go. That will not change.

 

[tigerbob]

I've been fucked in France... Is that the same thing we're talking about here?

Me too. Banging of a different nature though, I suspect..

 

[tigerbob]

Britain went through high taxation of the rich in the sixties. The highest marginal tax rate was 83%.

 

[Toro]

Britain went through high taxation of the rich in the sixties. The highest marginal tax rate was 83%.

And the highest rate on what Labour called Unearned Income, i.e. rentals, was 98%.

 

[tigerbob]

Britain went through high taxation of the rich in the sixties. The highest marginal tax rate was 83%.

And the highest rate on what Labour called Unearned Income, i.e. rentals, was 98%.

Good God, was it really? I never knew that.

Have you got a link? I wouldn't mind reading up on that a bit.

 

[tigerbob]

Lousy FA Cup result today BTW. YNWA.

 

[Toro]

Lousy FA Cup result today BTW. YNWA.

Yeah. How did Carroll's not go in?

YNWA

 

[GHook93]

They plan on voting in a guy who is more leftist than the OWS luntics!

His platform:
(1) Spend more, not just a little but a TON more. He is buying votes by promising to gifts to everyone.
(2) His plan to tackle 10% unemployment. Tax the rich and see them flee the country.
(3) His plan to grow the economy. Raise taxes on businesses and see them leave the country.
(4) His plans to win 10% of the immigrate population (this will sound familiar): Amnesty, protections for illegal, social services to illegal and fairer immigration policies (meaning more legal and illegal immigration)


So his plan is "fix" Frances economy is to tax the rich and business community into leaving the country (remember in Europe with the EU relocation is relatively easy), increase their deficit which is at a critical level 100 fold and head towards Greece's fate and open the boards to Muslim immigration so the leftist will have a voting bloc in the pocket regardless of the fact they despise liberal ideals, France and are overall huge burdens on the welfare state and desire Sharia law in the country.

This scumbag is leading the polls!

So the French have figured out "Trickle down" doesn't?

This ought to be a message to the GOP. If you keep working against the working class, they will turn around and bite you in the ass.

Lesson won't be learned though.

Rather they only know trickle up poverty and that hasn't worked, but the liberal philosophy is the definition of insanity.

 

[Toro]

They plan on voting in a guy who is more leftist than the OWS luntics!

His platform:
(1) Spend more, not just a little but a TON more. He is buying votes by promising to gifts to everyone.
(2) His plan to tackle 10% unemployment. Tax the rich and see them flee the country.
(3) His plan to grow the economy. Raise taxes on businesses and see them leave the country.
(4) His plans to win 10% of the immigrate population (this will sound familiar): Amnesty, protections for illegal, social services to illegal and fairer immigration policies (meaning more legal and illegal immigration)


So his plan is "fix" Frances economy is to tax the rich and business community into leaving the country (remember in Europe with the EU relocation is relatively easy), increase their deficit which is at a critical level 100 fold and head towards Greece's fate and open the boards to Muslim immigration so the leftist will have a voting bloc in the pocket regardless of the fact they despise liberal ideals, France and are overall huge burdens on the welfare state and desire Sharia law in the country.

This scumbag is leading the polls!

So the French have figured out "Trickle down" doesn't?

This ought to be a message to the GOP. If you keep working against the working class, they will turn around and bite you in the ass.

Lesson won't be learned though.

Rather they only know trickle up poverty and that hasn't worked, but the liberal philosophy is the definition of insanity.

They've never had "trickle down" in France.

 

[francoHFW]

Jeebus, what a bunch of dumbazz ugly 'Merican Pub dupes...

 

[JoeB131]

They plan on voting in a guy who is more leftist than the OWS luntics!

His platform:
(1) Spend more, not just a little but a TON more. He is buying votes by promising to gifts to everyone.
(2) His plan to tackle 10% unemployment. Tax the rich and see them flee the country.
(3) His plan to grow the economy. Raise taxes on businesses and see them leave the country.
(4) His plans to win 10% of the immigrate population (this will sound familiar): Amnesty, protections for illegal, social services to illegal and fairer immigration policies (meaning more legal and illegal immigration)


So his plan is "fix" Frances economy is to tax the rich and business community into leaving the country (remember in Europe with the EU relocation is relatively easy), increase their deficit which is at a critical level 100 fold and head towards Greece's fate and open the boards to Muslim immigration so the leftist will have a voting bloc in the pocket regardless of the fact they despise liberal ideals, France and are overall huge burdens on the welfare state and desire Sharia law in the country.

This scumbag is leading the polls!

So the French have figured out "Trickle down" doesn't?

This ought to be a message to the GOP. If you keep working against the working class, they will turn around and bite you in the ass.

Lesson won't be learned though.

Rather they only know trickle up poverty and that hasn't worked, but the liberal philosophy is the definition of insanity.

Actually, France has a pretty good standard of living compared to ours...

They have a vastly better health care system.

The problem with Sarkozy is that he tried to cut the benefits to help his rich buddies, and he got thrown out on his ass today.

Ooooooh, welll.

 

[California Girl]

Lousy FA Cup result today BTW. YNWA.

Can I just say.... I was there... and it fucking rocked! Chelsea own Wembley.... and once we kick the ass of the Krauts, we're gonna own Europe too! Whooooooo hoooooo! Come on you bluuuuuuuuuues!