France Fights Back In Ivory Coast

[NATO AIR]

the frenchies wiped out their "newly built" air force, two russian jets and three helicopters...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6404613/

French surround home of Ivory Coast leader
Hundreds wounded, some killed as loyalists, French forces battle

The Associated Press
Updated: 8:05 p.m. ET Nov. 8, 2004ABIDJAN, Ivory Coast - French armored vehicles took up positions near the home of Ivory Coast’s president Monday, drawing thousands of angry supporters who feared an attempt to oust him as France clamped down on violence in its former West African colony.

The commanders of Ivory Coast and French forces appeared jointly on state television to appeal for calm. Earlier, French troops fired warning shots to ward off the surging, chanting throngs filling the streets around the home of President Laurent Gbagbo.

The Ivorian army said it would start joint patrols in Abidjan, the commercial capital, with French and U.N. peacekeepers.

A weekend of unrest by machete-waving mobs confronting French troops has left more than 500 people wounded, a Red Cross official said. Two Abidjan hospitals told The Associated Press they handled a total of five dead and 250 wounded in Monday’s violence alone, with at least three killed by gunshots.

Fifty armored vehicles moved in around Gbagbo’s home in Ivory Coast’s commercial capital, Abidjan, presidential spokesman Desire Tagro said.

‘Their presence ... is scaring people’
“Their presence here is scaring people. They’re crying and they think that President Gbagbo is going to be overthrown,” Tagro told the AP by telephone.

The French denied surrounding the house or intending to oust Gbagbo, saying forces only were securing a temporary base at a hotel a couple hundred yards away for foreign evacuations.

“Everything should go back to normal,” Gen. Henri Poncet said on state TV. “It is absolutely not a matter of ousting President Laurent Gbagbo.”

Gen. Matthias Doue, the Ivorian chief of army staff, urged rioters to go home. “I call on people to remain calm,” he said.

Despite the appeal, the protest swelled by several thousand people by late afternoon.

Protesters chanted against the French, yelling, “The whites don’t like the blacks, but we don’t care!” Some signs declared, “Ivory Coast is a sovereign state.”

A standoff arose outside Abidjan as well, as several hundred loyalist youths stood on a main road, blocking a 70-vehicle, heavily armed convoy of French reinforcements trying to enter the city.

One of the injured in Abidjan’s Cocody hospital, Claude Akoun, said he and three other demonstrators were shot by French soldiers near Gbagbo’s residence, after they walked toward the troops, insulting them. “The soldiers opened fire. I was shot in the leg and fell,” he said.

Tensions crossed Ivory Coast’s borders, with U.N. officials telling the AP that more than 1,000 refugees have fled into neighboring Liberia. Guinea, to the north, said it was sending military reinforcements to its own border.

Chaos erupted after air raid, retaliation
French forces have moved to take control of Abidjan after chaos erupted Saturday when Ivorian warplanes launched a surprise airstrike that killed nine French peacekeepers and an American civilian aid worker in the north, which has been held by rebels since a 2002 civil war divided the country. The government later called the bombing a mistake, which France rejected.

France hit back within hours, wiping out Ivory Coast’s newly built-up air force — two Russian-made Sukhoi jet fighters and at least three helicopter gunships — on the ground.

Street-level violence erupted, with mobs seeking to exact revenge on French citizens. With armored vehicles and helicopter gunships deployed, France used tear gas and concussion grenades to quell the mobs.

After 150 people were reported wounded Saturday. Red Cross official Kim Gordon-Bates said the toll had climbed to “over 500 wounded — much more than that.” Loyalist mobs were blocking efforts to set up an emergency clinic for the injured, he said.

France said it was not intervening to destabilize the country or take sides in the country’s civil war, while Gbagbo appealed for calm.

Over the weekend, hard-liners called for loyalists to form a “human shield” around Gbagbo’s home, and on Monday state media called on young and old to take to the streets nearby and at the broadcast headquarters.

Foreigner dragged away by mob
Near the president’s house, mobs swarmed one foreigner — by appearance an immigrant from a neighboring northern country — caught up in their midst, kicking and beating him. “Kill him,” young men shouted, before he was dragged into the crowd.

Six men, faces painted black, forced an AP reporter from his taxi at gunpoint and commandeered the vehicle.

French Embassy spokesman Francois Guenon denied the French troops were targeting Gbagbo, saying, “It is not a question of ousting him, that is very clear.”

French armored vehicles rolled through the city after taking control of the international airport and strategic points, including bridges, over the weekend.

‘Everything is burned’
After angry government loyalists looted and burned businesses and roamed house-to-house in search of French citizens, residents Monday assessed the damage to a skyscraper-lined city that once was West Africa’s most prosperous — thanks to Ivory Coast’s position as the world’s top cocoa producer.

“Everything is burned,” said one woman, a teacher at a French school that was looted and torched in the anti-French riots. “They have stolen everything they could.”

“They even tore out the toilet seat,” she said on condition her name not be used. “The only thing I’m waiting for is for the airport to open, so I can get out of here.”

10,000 peacekeepers in country
France has about 4,000 peacekeepers in Ivory Coast. The United Nations has about 6,000, manning a buffer zone between rebel north and government south.

On Monday, French military planes returned home the bodies of the nine French soldiers killed in the bombing, along with 34 wounded soldiers.

In Paris, French Defense Minister Michele Alliot-Marie rejected accounts by some Ivory Coast officials that the bombing was a mistake and urged the reopening of peace talks.

In Ethiopia, the African Union upheld the U.N. and French intervention in Ivory Coast.

“We do not condemn the action of the French forces,” said Republic of Congo Foreign Minister Rodolphe Adada, who chaired an emergency session Monday on Ivory Coast. “In fact, the action of the French forces have contributed to the restoration of peace and security.”

Draft U.N. resolution proposed
At the United Nations, a draft Security Council resolution circulated Monday called for an arms embargo on Ivory Coast and a travel ban and asset freeze against those blocking peace, violating human rights, and preventing the disarmament of combatants.

A 1999 coup, amid increasing instability following the 1993 death of Ivory Coast’s three-decade post-independence leader, ended Ivory Coast’s reputation for stability. Gbagbo was installed amid an uprising by his supporters the next year during an aborted vote count for the first post-coup presidential elections.

South African President Thabo Mbeki was consulting with African leaders ahead of an emergency trip to Ivory Coast, a foreign affairs spokesman said Monday. The African Union said Sunday it would send Mbeki to press Ivory Coast to find a political solution.

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[CSM]

What??? All is not perfect under French government?? How can that be??? Surely they realize thhat the good citizens of the Ivory Coast don't need or want French intervention. It must be all about the oil!

 

[dilloduck]

What??? All is not perfect under French government?? How can that be??? Surely they realize thhat the good citizens of the Ivory Coast don't need or want French intervention. It must be all about the oil!

I'm glad they formed a large coalition and asked the security council for permission.

 

[NATO AIR]

I'm glad they formed a large coalition and asked the security council for permission.

a coalition that ties one of france's hands behind its back when it comes to fighting back and doing what must be done

 

[CSM]

a coalition that ties one of france's hands behind its back when it comes to fighting back and doing what must be done

Of course, that is the normal template when the UN is involved.

 

[NATO AIR]

Of course, that is the normal template when the UN is involved.

my how i have realized the fatal flaw of the modern UN in the past 18 months or so... i used to think their style was a good thing, boy was i ever wrong. this is a textbook example

 

[CSM]

The UN, like most utopian ideals, falls apart rather quickly when put into practice. The problem with utopian ideals is that they fail to take into account human nature and man's propensity to display his personal flaws at every opportune moment (greed, arrogance, cruelty, etc.).

 

[NATO AIR]

The UN, like most utopian ideals, falls apart rather quickly when put into practice. The problem with utopian ideals is that they fail to take into account human nature and man's propensity to display his personal flaws at every opportune moment (greed, arrogance, cruelty, etc.).

true.

i have thought the formation of an emergency coalition structure would be a good idea, something along the lines of RESCUE international, the retired military officer coalition that comes together in various crises like sierra leonne and darfur to try to formulate realistic, effective measures to stop the killing and bring the responsible parties to justice.

to clarify, the US being the leader and different nations operate within the structure depending on the situation... violence in burma, the US supports intervention with Australia, India and Singapore. violence in darfur, the US supports intervention with S. Africa and Nigeria. violence in uzbekistan, the US supports intervention with Russia and Turkey.

 

[CSM]

true.

i have thought the formation of an emergency coalition structure would be a good idea, something along the lines of RESCUE international, the retired military officer coalition that comes together in various crises like sierra leonne and darfur to try to formulate realistic, effective measures to stop the killing and bring the responsible parties to justice.

to clarify, the US being the leader and different nations operate within the structure depending on the situation... violence in burma, the US supports intervention with Australia, India and Singapore. violence in darfur, the US supports intervention with S. Africa and Nigeria. violence in uzbekistan, the US supports intervention with Russia and Turkey.

Such a coalition would only hold together as long as the interests of the coalition partners are aligned. When national treasure and blood are involved, look for every nation to try to protect it's own interests and further its own agenda; some more boldly than others.

 

[NATO AIR]

Such a coalition would only hold together as long as the interests of the coalition partners are aligned. When national treasure and blood are involved, look for every nation to try to protect it's own interests and further its own agenda; some more boldly than others.

true, that's why i only keep the US in at all times. we should abandon the permenent alliance structures we have built, they are outdated and only hinder and slow any meaningful effort these days. however, the framework for coalitions of the willing should be developed and continually upgraded.

btw, the US being involved every time doesn't necessarily mean we have to put troops on the ground in every case, but logistical support, intelligence gathering and air superiority are vital aids to any noble effort, and we excel in these fields like no one else.

 

[CSM]

true, that's why i only keep the US in at all times. we should abandon the permenent alliance structures we have built, they are outdated and only hinder and slow any meaningful effort these days. however, the framework for coalitions of the willing should be developed and continually upgraded.

btw, the US being involved every time doesn't necessarily mean we have to put troops on the ground in every case, but logistical support, intelligence gathering and air superiority are vital aids to any noble effort, and we excel in these fields like no one else.

I have to think about this a bit and do some research. Might have another plank in our third party platform here!

 

[dilloduck]

true, that's why i only keep the US in at all times. we should abandon the permenent alliance structures we have built, they are outdated and only hinder and slow any meaningful effort these days. however, the framework for coalitions of the willing should be developed and continually upgraded.

btw, the US being involved every time doesn't necessarily mean we have to put troops on the ground in every case, but logistical support, intelligence gathering and air superiority are vital aids to any noble effort, and we excel in these fields like no one else.

and maybe only get involved if this alliance is asked to prevent masscres and death by disease or starvation.--The enforcement branch of the UN has been totally compromised by politics.

 

[NATO AIR]

and maybe only get involved if this alliance is asked to prevent masscres and death by disease or starvation.--The enforcement branch of the UN has been totally compromised by politics.

How painfully true, but then again it has always been since the end of the korean war.

 

[NATO AIR]

I have to think about this a bit and do some research. Might have another plank in our third party platform here!

:happy2: i was just about to ask about that... yep, i think this could be part of our 3rd party agenda.

"the reformation of america's alliances and partnerships in the world"

pres. bush has already pulled off some good progress here, but our 3rd party can pick up where he left off and finish the job

 

[CSM]

:happy2: i was just about to ask about that... yep, i think this could be part of our 3rd party agenda.

"the reformation of america's alliances and partnerships in the world"

pres. bush has already pulled off some good progress here, but our 3rd party can pick up where he left off and finish the job

Great minds think alike

 

[NATO AIR]

Great minds think alike

a developing mind here :happy2: we got to post this platform sooner than later, we'll end up forgetting our good ideas.

 

[CSM]

a developing mind here :happy2: we got to post this platform sooner than later, we'll end up forgetting our good ideas.

You mean you haven't got them written down? *SHEESH*

 

[NATO AIR]

You mean you haven't got them written down? *SHEESH*

haha, oops, well um, i can find them in the threads this weekend

promise, nothing is impossible for the 3rd party

 

[CSM]

haha, oops, well um, i can find them in the threads this weekend

promise, nothing is impossible for the 3rd party

Well what I have so far (now write this down dammit!) is a third party that cherishes values such as integrity, loyalty, compassion, discipline, responsibility, patriotism, duty, etc. We also talked about a strong military.

First plank was all about Education Reform.
Second Plank was about technological and medical research and additional funding for both.
Third plank was all about a realistic and progressive energy policy.

We have just started discussions on revamping international alliances.

How's that so far?

 

[NATO AIR]

excellent