France, 1930's: A Fatal Flaw in Liberalism

[rightwinger]

What was the conservative view in that election?

So FDR was a conservative.

Were it not for the war in Europe, FDR would not have run for a third term and a republican would have been elected. Unemployment was still 20 percent in 1940. I can back this up with an historian who thinks FDR can walk on water if you like.

Merely establishing that it was the Ultra Liberal FDR who led us through WWII and debunking PCs ridiculous OP premise

 

[DCJ]

It is quite apparent there is a direct correlation between Liberalism and loss of reality.

Basically, the more Liberal a person's thinking becomes.

The further that persons grasp on reality slips away.


I am not going to say that Liberalism is a form of mental illness.

But is in essence more like a drug or intoxicant.


In small dose's Liberalism can help temper rigid or over the top conservative views.

Yet, like any drug, excessive Liberalism can become addictive and eventually unhealthy as the OP has clearly shown.

& I guess you can prove your "illusions" here???

 

[Trajan]

Of course, what PC neglects to tell us is that FDR was our greatest Liberal President and that it was the US Conservatives that urged us to mind our own business and stay out of the war

Um FDR won an election by promising to keep us out of the war.

What was the conservative view in that election?

there ya go elvis.....thats RW doing his oh shit I got busted dance.....

 

[Trajan]

So FDR was a conservative.

Were it not for the war in Europe, FDR would not have run for a third term and a republican would have been elected. Unemployment was still 20 percent in 1940. I can back this up with an historian who thinks FDR can walk on water if you like.

Merely establishing that it was the Ultra Liberal FDR who led us through WWII and debunking PCs ridiculous OP premise

no, you got busted and are just ...go read a book RW..seriously....

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

1. Liberalism is a religion. Central to this religion is the assertion that evil does not exist, all conflict being attributed to a lack of understanding between the opposed.

Lose me right there. You're evil. So evil clearly exists.

 

[regent]

Um FDR won an election by promising to keep us out of the war.

What was the conservative view in that election?

So FDR was a conservative.

Reminds me of an argument on the boards with a conservative that argued Truman was a Republican.
It has become a full time occupation just correcting the conservative's revised history.
For example, one finds that Jefferson was a conservative and founded the present Republican party; the Bill of Rights was a demand of conservatives before they would vote for ratification of the Constitution; FDR bombed Pearl Harbor after he caused the Great Depression and Harding was a Democrat.
What happened to the old conservative charges of communism, socialism and Obama has big ears, guess they don't work anymore?
Well, so far the conservatives haven't changed the latest Siena poll of 238 noted historians and presidential experts that rated FDR as America's greatest president, but stand by for a new conservative poll, the Sierra poll that names Bush America's greatest president.

 

[elvis]

What was the conservative view in that election?

So FDR was a conservative.

Reminds me of an argument on the boards with a conservative that argued Truman was a Republican.
It has become a full time occupation just correcting the conservative's revised history.
For example, one finds that Jefferson was a conservative and founded the present Republican party; the Bill of Rights was a demand of conservatives before they would vote for ratification of the Constitution; FDR bombed Pearl Harbor after he caused the Great Depression and Harding was a Democrat.
What happened to the old conservative charges of communism, socialism and Obama has big ears, guess they don't work anymore?
Well, so far the conservatives haven't changed the latest Siena poll of 238 noted historians and presidential experts that rated FDR as America's greatest president, but stand by for a new conservative poll, the Sierra poll that names Bush America's greatest president.

I agree FDR was a great President, as does Newt Gingrich. That doesn't mean he was God or that he pulled us out of the Depression. he didn't.

 

[regent]

So FDR was a conservative.

Reminds me of an argument on the boards with a conservative that argued Truman was a Republican.
It has become a full time occupation just correcting the conservative's revised history.
For example, one finds that Jefferson was a conservative and founded the present Republican party; the Bill of Rights was a demand of conservatives before they would vote for ratification of the Constitution; FDR bombed Pearl Harbor after he caused the Great Depression and Harding was a Democrat.
What happened to the old conservative charges of communism, socialism and Obama has big ears, guess they don't work anymore?
Well, so far the conservatives haven't changed the latest Siena poll of 238 noted historians and presidential experts that rated FDR as America's greatest president, but stand by for a new conservative poll, the Sierra poll that names Bush America's greatest president.

I agree FDR was a great President, as does Newt Gingrich. That doesn't mean he was God or that he pulled us out of the Depression. he didn't.

Newt has to agree, think of his peers if he now said FDR was a conservative or that he was not a great president. True FDR didn't pull us out of the Great Depression but the people seemed pleased with his leadership, I mean elected four times. When the depression cleared America still had capitalism, and we went through WWII in reasonably good shape. Momentous years and all pretty much returned to normal, except we had Social Security, FDIC and a number of other programs.

 

[rightwinger]

Were it not for the war in Europe, FDR would not have run for a third term and a republican would have been elected. Unemployment was still 20 percent in 1940. I can back this up with an historian who thinks FDR can walk on water if you like.

Merely establishing that it was the Ultra Liberal FDR who led us through WWII and debunking PCs ridiculous OP premise

no, you got busted and are just ...go read a book RW..seriously....

Oh Pleeeeease...

Save me the revisionist rightwing history trying to make it look like they meant a damn

It was Liberal FDR who brought us to war. It was the conservatives who whined all the way. Did FDR say he wanted to avoid war prior to the election? He sure as hell did and lied through his teeth. All of his journals and correspondence showed he already had us supplying England and was secretly supporting Churchill

We also know that it was the conservatives who whined about what a warmonger FDR was right up to Pearl Harbor

 

[rightwinger]

Reminds me of an argument on the boards with a conservative that argued Truman was a Republican.
It has become a full time occupation just correcting the conservative's revised history.
For example, one finds that Jefferson was a conservative and founded the present Republican party; the Bill of Rights was a demand of conservatives before they would vote for ratification of the Constitution; FDR bombed Pearl Harbor after he caused the Great Depression and Harding was a Democrat.
What happened to the old conservative charges of communism, socialism and Obama has big ears, guess they don't work anymore?
Well, so far the conservatives haven't changed the latest Siena poll of 238 noted historians and presidential experts that rated FDR as America's greatest president, but stand by for a new conservative poll, the Sierra poll that names Bush America's greatest president.

I agree FDR was a great President, as does Newt Gingrich. That doesn't mean he was God or that he pulled us out of the Depression. he didn't.

Newt has to agree, think of his peers if he now said FDR was a conservative or that he was not a great president. True FDR didn't pull us out of the Great Depression but the people seemed pleased with his leadership, I mean elected four times. When the depression cleared America still had capitalism, and we went through WWII in reasonably good shape. Momentous years and all pretty much returned to normal, except we had Social Security, FDIC and a number of other programs.

FDR made us a Superpower

 

[daveman]

In fact, liberals tend to be quite moralistic.

Indeed. You just have a habit of choosing the wrong side of issues.

 

[daveman]

Of course, what PC neglects to tell us is that FDR was our greatest Liberal President and that it was the US Conservatives that urged us to mind our own business and stay out of the war

Classical Liberals...known as conservatives, today...get any credit for the creation of the United States, and for writing the greatest political document in the history of the world, the US Constitution?

Not quite....but good try anyway

It was the Conservatives of the day who supported the crown

Liberals liked to tar and feather them

You and your fellow Statists would have informed on the revolutionaries. You likes you some oligarchy, you do.

 

[daveman]

When you start with something this silly, why bother reading the rest? Good grief . . .

But Cheney does eXIST!

Damned right he does! And that being the case, no liberal in the world is going to question the existence of evil for one second.

See? You'd rather label a fellow American as evil than our nation's enemies.

 

[daveman]

1. Liberalism is a religion. Central to this religion is the assertion that evil does not exist, all conflict being attributed to a lack of understanding between the opposed.

Lose me right there. You're evil. So evil clearly exists.

Another fine example.

Your definition of evil is based on politics, not actions. You will not label a fellow leftist as evil, no matter what atrocities he may have committed.

But let someone disagree with you -- whoo boy, now that's evil!!

 

[rightwinger]

Classical Liberals...known as conservatives, today...get any credit for the creation of the United States, and for writing the greatest political document in the history of the world, the US Constitution?

Not quite....but good try anyway

It was the Conservatives of the day who supported the crown

Liberals liked to tar and feather them

You and your fellow Statists would have informed on the revolutionaries. You likes you some oligarchy, you do.

But history shows that it was the Conservatives of the day who turned in the liberal Patriots

 

[Dragon]

In fact, liberals tend to be quite moralistic.

Indeed. You just have a habit of choosing the wrong side of issues.

Whatever. That still leaves CG's OP being ridiculous drivel.

By the way, no foreign enemy has ever been the threat to liberty that our own government or powerful private organizations represent. Osama bin Ladin was a considerable threat to Americans, but Dick Cheney was worse, not because he was a worse man morally (six of one half a dozen of the other IMO), but because he was in a position to do more harm.

 

[daveman]

Not quite....but good try anyway

It was the Conservatives of the day who supported the crown

Liberals liked to tar and feather them

You and your fellow Statists would have informed on the revolutionaries. You likes you some oligarchy, you do.

But history shows that it was the Conservatives of the day who turned in the liberal Patriots

Conservatives of that day are not the same as conservatives now. Similarly, liberals of that day have nothing in common with liberals today.

Liberals then supported individual liberties, small Federal government, and State's rights. You can tell because they built the government that way.

Liberals today think those are horrible ideas.

 

[daveman]

In fact, liberals tend to be quite moralistic.

Indeed. You just have a habit of choosing the wrong side of issues.

Whatever. That still leaves CG's OP being ridiculous drivel.

By the way, no foreign enemy has ever been the threat to liberty that our own government or powerful private organizations represent. Osama bin Ladin was a considerable threat to Americans, but Dick Cheney was worse, not because he was a worse man morally (six of one half a dozen of the other IMO), but because he was in a position to do more harm.

Uh huh. The people who were in the WTC would probably have something different to say about that.

Like I said: You choose the wrong side.

 

[rightwinger]

You and your fellow Statists would have informed on the revolutionaries. You likes you some oligarchy, you do.

But history shows that it was the Conservatives of the day who turned in the liberal Patriots

Conservatives of that day are not the same as conservatives now. Similarly, liberals of that day have nothing in common with liberals today.

Liberals then supported individual liberties, small Federal government, and State's rights. You can tell because they built the government that way.

Liberals today think those are horrible ideas.

You figured that one out did you? Nothing today is like it was in 1776, especially our country

What is the same is that each new generation faces challenges. They can face those challenges with either a liberal or conservative mindset. Liberals will say, we can do better.......conservatives will say, let's keep things the way they are

 

[daveman]

But history shows that it was the Conservatives of the day who turned in the liberal Patriots

Conservatives of that day are not the same as conservatives now. Similarly, liberals of that day have nothing in common with liberals today.

Liberals then supported individual liberties, small Federal government, and State's rights. You can tell because they built the government that way.

Liberals today think those are horrible ideas.

You figured that one out did you? Nothing today is like it was in 1776, especially our country

What is the same is that each new generation faces challenges. They can face those challenges with either a liberal or conservative mindset. Liberals will say, we can do better.......conservatives will say, let's keep things the way they are

Today's liberals are saying "We can do better -- even though our ideas have all been proven failures by history. No, really, it'll work this time, honest!!"