CDZ Four Coming Phases of Colonizing our Solar System

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    The Colonization of our solar system is very feasible and one day I think most human beings will live in space instead of on Earth. The key is allowing private corporations to do most of the heavy lifting, so to speak, while governments will regulate and supervise what is done instead of managing it for everyone.

    So here are some rough ideas I have on four distinct phases to the exploration of our Solar System and its development.

    We are now in Phase 1, basically establishing a presence in Earth orbit. This phase is marked by the high cost of getting out of Earth orbit, but that does not mean that there is no profitability to doing so.
    The potential profitability of this phase is lies in the following:
    • Space tourism - wealthy people will pay serious money to go into low Earth orbit and see the stars unfiltered by our atmosphere. Early efforts toward building low Earth orbit vacation stations are very plausible.
    • Space manufacturing -
      • perfectly spherical ceramic ball bearings to make molds from on Earth
      • 3D printing that exploits the zero gravity for unique production.
      • telecommunications across the planet; internet literally available on every spot of the Earth and cheap.
    • Military contracts - obvious benefits.
    • Cleaning up debris from orbital 'accidents' will be profitable. Just build mobile satellites that can deflect crap into re-entry where they will burn up in the atmosphere. They would be approached from behind to decrease impact and built very solid with Tungsten carbide tile shells and have replaceable tiles.
    • Private exploration and prospecting of the Solar System will grow quickly as laws pertaining to mineral rights and claims are firmly affixed and initiate commercial mining operation planning and execution with robots and other forms of unmanned exploration and testing.
    Phase 2 will commence when we have a functioning Space Elevator. This will dovetail with more practical and efficient methods of flying into orbit and launching packages that will self guide their way to proper position. The activity area will be mostly between the Earth and the Moon with considerable activity directed toward Mars and the Asteroid belt where the real Motherload of resources are.
    • Space tourism will explode with activity and tours to the moon and large vacation stations will be like luxury tourist sites on Earth.
    • Space manufacturing will expand more quickly as we develop early moon bases that will harvest minerals on the Moon to use in colonization efforts and building space construction facilities. Early space vessel prototypes will be manufactured and sold to corporations to further prospect the moon, Mars and the Asteroid belt.
    • Military and policing contracts to oversee space activity among the nations involved will be an ever growing source of revenue. Nations involved in space exploration and development will number in the dozens and be from every continent.
    • Space reclamation of metal parts, debris and lost vessels will grow into a major industry, in further efforts to reduce the likelihood of space collision.
    • Unmanned posts on Mars, the moon, and larger asteroids will be created. These will be automated repair facilities and testing stations for mineral composition of samples returned by unmanned drones.
    Phase 3 will be initiated when we have active production on the Moon, with delivery of goods by magnetic rails that will launch products into space from the lunar surface. This will be an exponential increase in Space manufacturing and will eventually see space manufacturing become the majority of manufacturing used in space, displacing more expensive Earth manufacture.
    • Permanent Moon vacation spots will be built, and most of the earlier vacation stations repurposed into manufacturing stations.
    • Early, simpler O'Neil colonies that will evolve the technology and be mostly manned stations that produce high demand items like space adapted alloys, robots and ships. These will be austere and functional, but greatly reduce costs of space manufacture.
    • Early mining of the asteroid belt will have to be tightly regulated to allow the economy on Earth to adapt. Too much too soon will see a huge collapse in the markets of many commodities that are rare on Earth but possibly abundant in space, like gold, platinum and other precious metals and gem stones, and fuels like Uranium and Thorium.
    • other industries from Phase 2 will grow exponentially.
    Phase 4 will be initiated when we have active production on Mars to greatly open up mining operations in the Asteroid Belt. By the time we are able to do this in practical terms, we should have energy sources that will allow constant 1G acceleration/deceleration, which would reduce travel to Mars to a matter of days and open up the Solar System to more exploration.
    • The commercial exploitation in this phase will resemble the earlier phases except that O'Neil colonies will become primarily vacation destinations and permanent space colonies that will be Utopian and have ideal environments. Some zero Gravity production will take place in their core areas, but mostly the purpose of these colonies will be to house people and be HQ to corporate interests, not production itself so much.

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    It's a pretty exciting time that we can even TALK about this stuff. If I were entering college today, this would be my direction.

    I've seen the Space Elevator thing, and it's amazing in its (relative) simplicity.

    The thought of essentially "mining the Solar System" for resources is mind-blowing. I've to say, though -- not trying to pour cold water here, but... -- we haven't evolved beyond petty global politics yet, and you have to wonder what the implications would be of nasty competition vs. innovative collaboration on this stuff.

    I had not heard of this "constant 1G acceleration/deceleration" thing before. I'll look into it now, though!

    Good stuff Jim, thanks.
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    thanks jim------but don't tell the ayatoilets
     
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    Flying to Mars in three days

    For how long a time is Mars reachable from Earth?

    The energy source would have to be incredibly dense, and likely some form of nuclear power.
     
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    Thanks. Some interesting posts in the Comments section.
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    Ask Flash Gordon----and give my regards to MING
     
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    some say we're already flying this
    I dont think you need oxygen to burn fuel to take it into space

    23 Nov 2013 | Posted by Flanker41
    It doesn't exist officially. It uses highly pressured mercury accelerated by nuclear energy to produce a plasma that creates a field of anti-gravity around the ship. Conventional thrusters located at the tips of the craft allow it to perform all manner of rapid high speed maneuvers along all three axes. Interestingly, the plasma generated also reduces radar signature significantly. So it'll be almost invisible on radar & remain undetected. This literally means that it can go to any country it likes without being detected by air traffic control & air defense systems. Read more at Black triangle (UFO) - Wikipedia

    TR-3B Anti-Gravity Spacecrafts
     
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    All very practical ideas, but it lacks two important things:
    1. A projected realistic timeline to reach these stages.
    2. Any sort of realistic technological platform capable of supporting these advances.
    As someone with more than a passing background in astronomy and space science, I am rather pessimistic of any of this stuff happening in the timelines we imagine. For instance, it may be another century before we actually begin trying to establish a moon base where people permanently live. And despite all the talk of going to Mars and science fiction, we may be three centuries from men living on Mars and we may never get much beyond that. Why?
    • There are tremendous economic costs involved that no nation can afford, nor even a consortium of nations to afford these, we greatly underestimate our problems still unsolved here on Earth.
    • Economic factors including the limited number of people who will ever be able to afford PRIVATE space travel.
    • Other factors and set backs such as: Climate change, natural disaster, supervolcano, massive asteroid impact.
    Beyond all of this, there is another hurdle: we must reach a point to where the income taken in from these "mining asteroids" etc., make much more money for the business than the HUGE expenditure to getting out there. Furthermore, there are a number of as-yet unresolved technological burdens:
    1. Weightlessness / low gravity for prolonged periods of time. The body dies.
    2. Radiation: outside the Earth's atmosphere, no ship or base can protect man from solar radiation short of some shielding in the ship and building underground on the Moon/Mars.
    3. Psychological pressures. Long periods of time in confined environments: people don't cope well.
    4. Propulsion: rockets, chemicals and even ion drive provide wholly unsuitable limitations to getting anywhere. All other forms of manned propulsion remain a fantasy.
    For these reasons and others, I don't see man "colonizing" the Moon anytime soon before at least another century. If we ever realize manned travel to Mars much less permanent bases there are at the outer scope and will take several more centuries. We cannot even feed millions of people on the Earth much less afford these extravagances. ITMT, a much greater import is developing the ability to predict, detect and divert or stop incoming large space rocks.
     
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    sheeeesh our space craft can CLOAK
     
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    Been saying it for years.
    Build the equatorial elevator...
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    Human expansion is in our DNA. Our choice here to evolve into a space faring race or wither away fighting for resources of a single world. Easter Island comes to mind.
    Sure the naysayers will be along anytime to say it is all a waste of money.
     
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