Four Big Bangs Equal Four Huge Problems For Materialists/Atheists

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    There are key issues that atheists refuse to address, because if they do their position falls apart. Science tells us that the universe came into being via The Big Bang. But how do you get from energy and matter to a self-aware human being? That takes three additional Big Bangs that science cannot explain.



    Have you ever wondered why is there something rather than nothing? Yes, it’s an esoteric question and not one any normal person is ever likely to think about without prompting.

    So consider yourself prompted because it is an important question, one of the most important of all questions in fact. How important? Well, it’s more significant even than the question of whether a problem is solved if a congressman describes a solution but nobody on C-SPAN is listening?

    Or, just to put it in the most personal of terms, why are you here rather than not here?

    “Or, to put it in the most personal of terms, why are you here rather than not here?”

    Actually, we know why you are here – your folks and you know what. But why were they there rather than not there? Start asking those kinds of questions and eventually you come to this one: Why is there something rather than nothing?

    iApologia’s Daniel Currier posesthat question in a slightly different form. He frames it as the “Cosmological Big Bang,” one of the four “big bangs” that materialists/atheists must explain in order to maintain their particular faith:

    • The “Cosmological Big Bang”
    • The “Biological Big Bang”
    • The “Psychological Big Bang”
    • The “Moral Big Bang”
    The question of the Cosmological Big Bang, however, is not the issue of whenthe universe came into being but rather why it did. As Currier puts it:

    “Simply put, from our experience, nothing ever makes something. Everything that begins to exist had a prior cause. Also, the fine tuning of the universe, like carburetors, cars and chainsaws, points to a fine tuner. Finely tuned things ultimately have an intelligent cause.”

    Sometimes, materialists/atheists try to resolve the issue by simply defining it as irrelevant, as with this observation by Stephen Hawking from one of his “no boundary” lectures, referenced by Currier from LiveScience:

    “Events before the Big Bang are simply not defined, because there’s no way one could measure what happened at them. Since events before the Big Bang have no observational consequences, one may as well cut them out of the theory, and say that time began at the Big Bang.”

    But this “singularity” was a something, not a nothing. So it doesn’t answer the question of why is there something, whatever we choose to call it, rather than nothing?

    And just to really give you something to think about, philosopher William Lane Craig points out that science in and of itself must be inadequate to the task of answering this question “if ‘nothing’ is understood in its standard usage because science only deals with what exists.”

    “But this ‘singularity’ was a something, not a nothing. So it doesn’t answer the question of why is there something, whatever we choose to call it, rather than nothing?”

    That is to say, as Craig continues, “science by its nature is an exploration of the physical natural world and its properties, and there is no such thing as a physics of non-being. Science only studies what exists, so the whole claim that science could explain how something came from nothing, when that word is used in its standard meaning, is absurd.”

    Take a few minutes of quiet time to read Currier’s discussion of all four of big bangs. Then come back and share your thoughts with the rest of us.

    Four Big Bangs Equal Four Huge Problems For Materialists/Atheists

    The late great Reds pitcher Frank Pastore on the issue:

     
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    Not knowing why we are here isn't a reason to make up an invisible superbeing who cares if we obey a book or not.
     
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    Here is where the theory of God falls apart, "where did God come from".
     
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    1) Establishing that something cannot arise from nothing is reason enough to speculate upon what would cause existence to come into existence without the existence of the raw materials of existence. It would seem a certain intelligent intent would be required.

    2) It's not a rule book. It's a primer.
     
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    That assumes God would be limited by rules of existence which, following the logic of "something cannot come from nothing", is illogical.
     
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    The worlds longest version of “I don’t know; therefore God...”
     
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    Who said that the universe arose from nothing? We don't know where it came from, for example, it could be the universe itself that expands and contracts and this it simply it expanding again. Or it could be a super massive black hole that blows up in another universe that is perhaps dying. So no, it doesn't automatically point to an invisible being that cares if we follow a book or not. That's absurd.
     
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    The fact your position is you’re just a collection of atomic particles is in direct conflict with you even making that statement.
     
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    That can't be my position because I don't even know wtf you're talking about. :biggrin:
     
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    There must first be a universe to expand or contract. Since something cannot come from nothing, why does the universe exist at all?

    For the same reason, where did the black hole come from?
     
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