Fortune reveals the truth about Fast and Furious

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FORTUNE -- In the annals of impossible assignments, Dave Voth's ranked high. In 2009 the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives promoted Voth to lead Phoenix Group VII, one of seven new ATF groups along the Southwest border tasked with stopping guns from being trafficked into Mexico's vicious drug war.

Some call it the "parade of ants"; others the "river of iron." The Mexican government has estimated that 2,000 weapons are smuggled daily from the U.S. into Mexico. The ATF is hobbled in its effort to stop this flow. No federal statute outlaws firearms trafficking, so agents must build cases using a patchwork of often toothless laws. For six years, due to Beltway politics, the bureau has gone without permanent leadership, neutered in its fight for funding and authority. The National Rifle Association has so successfully opposed a comprehensive electronic database of gun sales that the ATF's congressional appropriation explicitly prohibits establishing one.

Voth, 39, was a good choice for a Sisyphean task. Strapping and sandy-haired, the former Marine is cool-headed and punctilious to a fault. In 2009 the ATF named him outstanding law-enforcement employee of the year for dismantling two violent street gangs in Minneapolis. He was the "hardest working federal agent I've come across," says John Biederman, a sergeant with the Minneapolis Police Department. But as Voth left to become the group supervisor of Phoenix Group VII, a friend warned him: "You're destined to fail."

The truth about the Fast and Furious scandal - Fortune Features
 
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Chris's short bus pulled up really late today

No less than 5 thread on this already
 
Well we'll take their word for it, except this:
A primer on the "Fast and Furious" scandal - CBS News Investigates - CBS News
In its earliest response to Sen. Grassley's questions about the gunwalking operation, the Justice Department sent a letter that contained inaccurate information. The letter, signed by Assistant Attorney General Ronald Weich, stated that ATF never "knowingly allowed the sale of assault weapons to a straw purchaser who then transported them into Mexico." Ten months later, the Justice Department withdrew the letter acknowledging that it contained inaccuracies. In April 2012, Weich announced his intention to resign from the Justice Department to become dean of the University of Baltimore Law School. Documents subpoenaed by the House Oversight Committee, but not turned over, include Justice Department communications after the Feb. 4, 2010 letter leading up to the Dec. 2010 retraction of the inaccurate letter. Republicans in Congress want to see who-knew-when that the Feb. 4 assertion denying gunwalking was false, and why it took ten months for the administration's retraction.
 
FORTUNE -- In the annals of impossible assignments, Dave Voth's ranked high. In 2009 the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives promoted Voth to lead Phoenix Group VII, one of seven new ATF groups along the Southwest border tasked with stopping guns from being trafficked into Mexico's vicious drug war.

Some call it the "parade of ants"; others the "river of iron." The Mexican government has estimated that 2,000 weapons are smuggled daily from the U.S. into Mexico. The ATF is hobbled in its effort to stop this flow. No federal statute outlaws firearms trafficking, so agents must build cases using a patchwork of often toothless laws. For six years, due to Beltway politics, the bureau has gone without permanent leadership, neutered in its fight for funding and authority. The National Rifle Association has so successfully opposed a comprehensive electronic database of gun sales that the ATF's congressional appropriation explicitly prohibits establishing one.

Voth, 39, was a good choice for a Sisyphean task. Strapping and sandy-haired, the former Marine is cool-headed and punctilious to a fault. In 2009 the ATF named him outstanding law-enforcement employee of the year for dismantling two violent street gangs in Minneapolis. He was the "hardest working federal agent I've come across," says John Biederman, a sergeant with the Minneapolis Police Department. But as Voth left to become the group supervisor of Phoenix Group VII, a friend warned him: "You're destined to fail."

The truth about the Fast and Furious scandal - Fortune Features

They all get their information from the same limited sources, and then unconditionally believe whatever they are told. Their uniformity in their ignorance and knowledge of this issue proves that beyond doubt. :badgrin:
 
Try as you might, the Jedi mind trick doesnt work on people who have strong minds.
 
Try as you might, the Jedi mind trick doesnt work on people who have strong minds.

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It's a good article if anyone bothered to read it.

Perhaps someone can dispute it.

It gets pretty old disputing Chris's BS. His Links always lead back to the same Extremely Partisan Biased Sources.

He wants to live in a Fantasy Land. I vote we let him. Let him and anyone else who wants to believe the Lies this Admin is selling. I am Focused on Nov.
 
A Fortune investigation reveals that the ATF never intentionally allowed guns to fall into the hands of Mexican drug cartels. How the world came to believe just the opposite is a tale of rivalry, murder, and political bloodlust.

Isnt that the problem with liberalism, unintentional consequences? I mean they never check results and these programs suck and are half assed by them.

What's funny is they say how smart OBama is and how incompetent Bush was, yet Obama cant fix the economy in four years? The last president that couldnt do that was FDR. He cant run a gun walking program without getting many people killed, it's a joke. I love that, we intended for it to work, but we're too stupid to come up with a plan. Hey Einstein, how about putting tracking devices on guns? Is it really that hard to come up with that? Is that complex?
 
It's a good article if anyone bothered to read it.

Perhaps someone can dispute it.

Are you done reading National Review yet?

Nevermind the rules of executive privelage....




Accordingly, your privilege assertion means one of two things. Either you or your mostsenior advisors were involved in managing Operation Fast & Furious and the fallout from it,including the false February 4, 2011 letter provided by the Attorney General to the Committee,or, you are asserting a Presidential power that you know to be unjustified solely for the purposeof further obstructing a congressional investigation. To date, the White House has steadfastlymaintained that it has not had any role in advising the Department with respect to the congressional investigation. The surprising assertion of executive privilege raised the questionof whether that is still the case.




The Justice Department has steadfastly maintained that the documents sought by theCommittee do not implicate the White House whatsoever. If true, they are at best deliberativedocuments between and among Department personnel who lack the requisite “operational proximity” to the President. As such, they cannot be withheld pursuant to the constitutionally- based executive privilege. Courts distinguish between the presidential communications privilegeand the deliberative process privilege. Both, the Espy court observed, are executive privilegesdesigned to protect the confidentiality of Executive Branch decision-making. The deliberative- process privilege, however, which applies to executive branch officials generally, is a commonlaw privilege that requires a lower threshold of need to be overcome, and “disappears altogether when there is any reason to believe government misconduct has occurred.” The Committee must assume that the White House Counsel’s Office is fully aware of the prevailing authorities of Espy, discussed above, and Judicial Watch v. Dep’t of Justice If the invocation of executive privilege was proper, it calls into question a number of public statements about the involvement of the White House made by you, your staff, and the Attorney General.
Rep. Issa Letter to Obama Re: Executive Privilege
 
Is this thread going to succeed for Chris as well as his "Walker's recall" thread did?
 
It's a good article if anyone bothered to read it.

Perhaps someone can dispute it.

It gets pretty old disputing Chris's BS. His Links always lead back to the same Extremely Partisan Biased Sources.

He wants to live in a Fantasy Land. I vote we let him. Let him and anyone else who wants to believe the Lies this Admin is selling. I am Focused on Nov.

Fortune isn't exactly a "partisan biased source"
 

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