FORT HOOD: Now that I took Obama's advice and didn't jump to conclusions I think.....

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  1. PLYMCO_PILGRIM
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    I feel this may have actually been a terrorist attack. I've had several days now to process all the different facts and opinions in relation to fort hood and in light of everything I think this guy actually intended to use violence for a political purpose to intimidate his fellow US soldiers that were deploying to fight against people of Muslim faith.

    I know I know I was bitching and moaning at all of you who were saying this the day it happened and the day after but I didn't like how everyone just immediately jumped to that conclusion.

    I've had time to look at what happened and look at the stuff the shooter actually said and posted on-line and it does seem like "terrorism" For purposes of this discussion I will include the definition of terrorism below from dictionary.com

    1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.
    2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorizing.
    3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.


    Don't take what I'm saying the wrong way, I'm not saying he did it because he was a Muslim. I still hold to my position that he did this because he is a psychopathic a-hole. However, it does appear to be at the least politically (internally within the base) motivated shooting that was done to make a statement and instill fear into people.
     
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    I think that is a fair statement. I think the idea of terrorism has been used to talk more about a coordinated effort than your definition (also a valid one). Certainly I think this guy was nuts and was either inspired by, or used as justification, the political/religious reasons. Though I doubt very seriously this was any plan beyond this one guy.
     
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    I agree.

    I do think he planned to do this and didn't just "snap" but I dont think he was directed by al-quaeda or some other terrorist network.
     
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    You know I posted something earlier on this topic and was about the stories being floated around that he somehow did this because he wanted out of the Military because he didn't want to fight his fellow Muslims. Here is something to consider.

    Article 88—Contempt toward officials

    “Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.”

    Maximum punishment.

    Dismissal, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 1 year.


    One more thing, once this man's obligation was served if the Military was so abhorant to his belif structure he could have resigned his commission. It is worth noting though that the best thing to say in all cases like this is that the US Military is a professional Military and as such requries everyone to join knowing what it is the Military does and where they may be called upon to go.
     
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    It's not an act of terrorism. It MAY wind up being the act of a terrorist - but THIS was not an act of terrorism.
    By definition.

    ("2) the term “terrorism” means premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents;"

    U.S. Law Definition of Terrorism

    What he did was a reprehensible, indefensible act. But every deplorable act isn't terrorim.
     
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    Oh in that defintion i think you are right. I would need one bit of clarification....if the soldiers he was shooting at weren't actively in the field fighting does that make them non-combatants?
     
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    I think that's a good point and I think there's also some mud in the water over contractors. And I'm sure lawyers could do a terrific job of spinning that muddy water into a cloud if it suited their purposes.

    But as despicable and deplorable as I find the act - I have to think that a U.S. Military base and everyone on that base would have to be viewed as a legitimate military target.

    Having said that .... fry the bastard (and I'm not even a death penalty supporter). But folks in Texas sure are. This guy better hope he winds up in a military court because civilian courts in Texas shoot first and ask questions later.
     
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    What do you people think is the defining characteristic of terrorism is?

    It's a call out to individuals to act independently to reach a collective goal. Terrorism is, by definition, a collection of indpendently acting people who follow a common code. They are not typically groups who gather to work in an organized manner with their leaders, though that happens as well. It's what makes them so difficult to deal with because decent human beings don't work that way.

    The Imans put out the call for ALL Muslims to act against us. So just because this guy wasn't working "with" three of four buddies does not mean it's not terrorism or even an act which is not typical.

    And the fact that people are more willing to attirubute this brutish behavior to GUN CONTROL, or our imagined SUPPRESSION of Muslims is nauseating. It's a TERRORIST ACT. He wanted to do this for Islam. He was in contact with a radical iman. He yelled Alahu Akbar as he slaughtered innocents. It's terrorism. And it's here to stay until the bleeding hearts quit burying their heads, making excuses, and refusing to meet it head on.
     
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    He was a terrorist. Terrorist by definition commit terrorism. He was attempting to protect his group from actions by another group. He didn't target his immediate superiors, but random targets. He had given it thought well in advance.

    Obama doesn't want this labeled a terrorist act, because it would be the first since 9/11. He should have held Muslim leaders up to curbing these activities. Harboring them in your mosque doesn't sound like a very strong condemnation.
     
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    PTSD?? I can't believe the MSM is still pushing that farce. What a scam. :(
     
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