Former top General in Iraq blast Bush admin 4 creating Iraq Nightmare

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    http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2007/10/gen-sanchez-ass.html

    I can hardly wait for the koolaid soaked Bush butt lickers to start assailing the patriotism of THIS fine general.

    Honest to God....how many retired flag officers need to step up and slap you assholes across the face to get you to admit that this stupid stupid war is a idiotic endeavor?

    "America is living a nightmare with no end in sight.”

    but internet chickenhawks on here will claim that they know more about what is going on in Iraq than the former commander of our forces there.

    You all make me so fucking sick I could puke.
     
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    I happen to agree with almost every sentence by the General. But the quetion is, is our objective in Iraq achieveable under some other strategy? If not, we have to admit defeat and get out -- which will be a HUGE victory to our enemies. If some change of strategy would work, let's have it. It is not clear from the article whether General Sanchez believes that the situation is retrievable -- and I would be interested in his comments on recent developments there, which look hopeful.
     
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    I think his comments take into consideration the recent developments. He didn't make then last summer.
     
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    Since the latest developments appear quite significant, it would be interesting to hear his comments on them specifically.
     
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    Ex-Commander Blasts Iraq 'Nightmare'

    By Robert Parry
    October 12, 2007

    Retired Army Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, who commanded U.S. forces in Iraq for the first year of the occupation, blamed “incompetence” by President George W. Bush’s national security team for creating a “nightmare” that could last far into the future.


    Sanchez, who led coalition forces from June 2003 to June 2004, used an Oct. 12 speech to a conference of Military Reporters and Editors in Arlington, Virginia, to castigate nearly everyone connected to the Iraq War, including the U.S. news media, Congress, the State Department, the White House and the Pentagon.

    “There has been a glaring, unfortunate display of incompetence in strategic leadership among our national leaders,” Sanchez said. “They have unquestionably been derelict in the performance of their duty. In my profession, these types of leaders would be immediately relieved or court-martialed.”

    Though Sanchez did not criticize Bush by name, he left little doubt that he placed most of the blame on the administration’s top leadership, particularly the National Security Council which is led by the President and which was under the day-to-day direction of Condoleezza Rice until her elevation to Secretary of State in 2005.

    Sanchez said that starting in July of 2003, the generals on the ground warned that the war could not be won by military means and required a coordinated strategy that brought to bear the full panoply of American power and influence.

    “Any sequential solutions would lead to a prolonged conflict and increased resistance,” Sanchez said about these messages to Washington. “By neglect and incompetence at the National Security Council level, that is the path our political leaders chose and now America and more precisely the American military finds itself in an intractable situation.”......

    “Continued manipulations and adjustments to our military strategy will not achieve victory,” Sanchez said in an apparent reference to Bush’s decision to "surge" U.S. troops this year. “The best we can do with this flawed approach is to stave off defeat.

    http://www.consortiumnews.com/2007/101207.html
     
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    the latest developments appear quite significant, in large part, because the administration wants you to think they are quite significant.

    Do you honestly think that when he says, "America is living a nightmare with no end in sight.” that he is not taking the "quite significant" recent developments into consideration and still arriving at that judgment?
     
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    But his role as commander in Iraq during the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse scandal leaves General Sanchez vulnerable to criticism that that he is shifting the blame from himself and exacting revenge against an administration that replaced him as the top commander in the aftermath of the scandal and declined to nominate him for a fourth star, forcing his retirement.

    Though he was cleared of wrongdoing in the abuse matter by an Army investigation, he nonetheless became a symbol, along with officials like L. Paul Bremer III , the chief administrator in Iraq, of the ineffective American leadership early in the occupation.

    Questioned by reporters after his speech, he included the military and himself among those who made mistakes in Iraq, citing the failure to insist on a better post-invasion stabilization plan.


    Sanchez’s military career ended in 2006 partly as fallout from the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse scandal which erupted in 2004 under his command. In giving the Oct. 12 speech, Sanchez broke nearly a year of silence since he resigned from the Army, but he ducked a question about the Abu Ghraib scandal.

    Asked after his remarks what strategy he favored, General Sanchez ticked off a series of steps — from promoting reconciliation among Iraq’s warring sectarian factions to building effective Iraqi army and police units — that closely paralleled the list of tasks frequently cited by the Bush administration.


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    I don't think anyone will question his patriotism....

    Yeah...he does sound pretty pissed off, don't he....Abu Ghraib, prisoner abuse? Losing a forth star ? Forced retirement ?

    His strategy is pretty much the same as the 4 year old Bush strategy....yet he calls it flawed and misguided....? I don't get that ....
     
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    I can hardly wait for the koolaid soaked Bush butt lickers to start assailing the patriotism of THIS fine general.

    and right on schedule:


     
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    no one questioned his patriotism
     
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    just his ethics and integrity. I guess that is perfectly acceptable when a distinquished flag officer dares to point out that the emporer is wearing no clothes.
     

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