Former Reagan Budget Director Blasts Ryan

[Toddsterpatriot]

Was Stockman accurate or inaccurate regarding this:

"Mr. Ryan professes to be a defense hawk, though the true conservatives of modern times — Calvin Coolidge, Herbert C. Hoover, Robert A. Taft, Dwight D. Eisenhower, even Gerald R. Ford — would have had no use for the neoconconservative imperialism that the G.O.P. cobbled from policy salons run by Irving Kristol’s ex-Trotskyites three decades ago. These doctrines now saddle our bankrupt nation with a roughly $775 billion “defense” budget in a world where we have no advanced industrial state enemies and have been fired (appropriately) as the global policeman. "


"Mr. Ryan showed his conservative mettle in 2008 when he folded like a lawn chair on the auto bailout and the Wall Street bailout. But the greater hypocrisy is his phony “plan” to solve the entitlements mess by deferring changes to social insurance by at least a decade. "

"Indeed, adjusted for inflation, today’s national security budget is nearly double Eisenhower’s when he left office in 1961 (about $400 billion in today’s dollars) — a level Ike deemed sufficient to contain the very real Soviet nuclear threat in the era just after Sputnik. By contrast, the Romney-Ryan version of shrinking Big Government is to increase our already outlandish warfare-state budget and risk even more spending by saber-rattling at a benighted but irrelevant Iran. "

"The Ryan Plan boils down to a fetish for cutting the top marginal income-tax rate for “job creators” — i.e. the superwealthy — to 25 percent and paying for it with an as-yet-undisclosed plan to broaden the tax base. Of the $1 trillion in so-called tax expenditures that the plan would attack, the vast majority would come from slashing popular tax breaks for employer-provided health insurance, mortgage interest, 401(k) accounts, state and local taxes, charitable giving and the like, not to mention low rates on capital gains and dividends. "

even Gerald R. Ford

Ford was a true conservative? LOL!

— would have had no use for the neoconconservative imperialism that the G.O.P.

Neocons? LOL!
Poor Stockman.

Where did he say that Ford was a "true conservative"?

Yeah, he doesn't seem to like your crew, but you have yet to point out any substantive facts where Stockman was wrong. Thanks for proving my point!

"Mr. Ryan professes to be a defense hawk, though the true conservatives of modern times — Calvin Coolidge, Herbert C. Hoover, Robert A. Taft, Dwight D. Eisenhower, even Gerald R. Ford

Sometimes, all you can do is point and laugh at the idiocy.

 

[g5000]

So, as a taxpayer, you are OK with "slashing popular tax breaks for employer-provided health insurance, mortgage interest, 401(k) accounts, state and local taxes, charitable giving and the like"?

If it means the overall tax rate I would pay would be lower, then it is certainly worth looking at.

And why do you like employer-provided health insurance? It is one of the things causing healthcare costs to rise. It should not be entrenched with tax breaks and mandates. It should be eliminated.

I can't speak for anyone but myself, but if Romney/Ryan cut those tax breaks, I (middle class) would see one helluva a tax increase?

You probably would see a tax increase if you are married with children. Under Romney's plan, the tax expenditures that would be removed are worth more than the tax cut you would receive.



You know what is really funny, though?

You know who did the last big tax reform that removed a lot of tax deductions and broadened the tax base?


Go ahead. Guess.











That's right.





Reagan.


And ever since then, we have averaged at least one new tax break EVERY DAY to the tax code.

.

 

[Pheonixops]

even Gerald R. Ford

Ford was a true conservative? LOL!

— would have had no use for the neoconconservative imperialism that the G.O.P.

Neocons? LOL!
Poor Stockman.

Where did he say that Ford was a "true conservative"?

Yeah, he doesn't seem to like your crew, but you have yet to point out any substantive facts where Stockman was wrong. Thanks for proving my point!

"Mr. Ryan professes to be a defense hawk, though the true conservatives of modern times — Calvin Coolidge, Herbert C. Hoover, Robert A. Taft, Dwight D. Eisenhower, even Gerald R. Ford

Sometimes, all you can do is point and laugh at the idiocy.

Why did he use "even" instead of "and"? That's the qualifier. You STILL have not refuted anything except some silly crap above, what about the real important assertions?

 

[Dick Tuck]

Reagan was a socialist. They even named a public airport and an office building filled with bureaucrats after him.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Where did he say that Ford was a "true conservative"?

Yeah, he doesn't seem to like your crew, but you have yet to point out any substantive facts where Stockman was wrong. Thanks for proving my point!

"Mr. Ryan professes to be a defense hawk, though the true conservatives of modern times — Calvin Coolidge, Herbert C. Hoover, Robert A. Taft, Dwight D. Eisenhower, even Gerald R. Ford

Sometimes, all you can do is point and laugh at the idiocy.

Why did he use "even" instead of "and"? That's the qualifier. You STILL have not refuted anything except some silly crap above, what about the real important assertions?

His assertions are a joke.
Neocons. LOL!
I'm pointing and laughing.

 

[Political Junky]

Here's another Republican's opinion:

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[Toddsterpatriot]

Where did he say that Ford was a "true conservative"?

Yeah, he doesn't seem to like your crew, but you have yet to point out any substantive facts where Stockman was wrong. Thanks for proving my point!

"Mr. Ryan professes to be a defense hawk, though the true conservatives of modern times — Calvin Coolidge, Herbert C. Hoover, Robert A. Taft, Dwight D. Eisenhower, even Gerald R. Ford

Sometimes, all you can do is point and laugh at the idiocy.

Why did he use "even" instead of "and"? That's the qualifier. You STILL have not refuted anything except some silly crap above, what about the real important assertions?

The Ryan Plan boils down to a fetish for cutting the top marginal income-tax rate for “job creators” — i.e. the superwealthy — to 25 percent and paying for it with an as-yet-undisclosed plan to broaden the tax base.

The top rate was 28% as recently as 1988, for income over $17,850 for a single filer.
$29,750 for married filing jointly.
25% sounds good to me.

 

[Lakhota]

Reagan Budget Adviser Blasts Paul Ryan’s Budget As An ‘Empty Fairy Tale’

By Tara Culp-Ressler

Vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan’s budget — which gives massive tax breaks to corporations and the wealthiest Americans, drastically slashes funding for social programs, decimates state budgets, and still ends up ultimately raising the deficit — has garnered critics ranging from Catholic bishops to top economists. Yesterday, former President Reagan’s budget adviser, David Stockman, added his voice to the dissent.

Stockman, who was the director of the Office of Management and Budget during the Reagan administration, blasted Ryan’s budget as an “empty conservative sermon” and “fairy tale” in an op-ed published in the New York Times:

The Ryan Plan boils down to a fetish for cutting the top marginal income-tax rate for “job creators” — i.e. the superwealthy — to 25 percent and paying for it with an as-yet-undisclosed plan to broaden the tax base. Of the $1 trillion in so-called tax expenditures that the plan would attack, the vast majority would come from slashing popular tax breaks for employer-provided health insurance, mortgage interest, 401(k) accounts, state and local taxes, charitable giving and the like, not to mention low rates on capital gains and dividends.

…In short, Mr. Ryan’s plan is devoid of credible math or hard policy choices. And it couldn’t pass even if Republicans were to take the presidency and both houses of Congress. Mr. Romney and Mr. Ryan have no plan to take on Wall Street, the Fed, the military-industrial complex, social insurance or the nation’s fiscal calamity and no plan to revive capitalist prosperity — just empty sermons.​

More: Reagan Budget Adviser Blasts Paul Ryan's Budget As An 'Empty Fairy Tale' | ThinkProgress

Paul Ryan’s Fairy-Tale Budget Plan - The New York Times

 

[Trajan]

This piece spells out many of the problems with Ryans philosophy.

"Mr. Ryan showed his conservative mettle in 2008 when he folded like a lawn chair on the auto bailout and the Wall Street bailout. But the greater hypocrisy is his phony “plan” to solve the entitlements mess by deferring changes to social insurance by at least a decade."

"The Ryan Plan boils down to a fetish for cutting the top marginal income-tax rate for “job creators” — i.e. the superwealthy — to 25 percent and paying for it with an as-yet-undisclosed plan to broaden the tax base. Of the $1 trillion in so-called tax expenditures that the plan would attack, the vast majority would come from slashing popular tax breaks for employer-provided health insurance, mortgage interest, 401(k) accounts, state and local taxes, charitable giving and the like, not to mention low rates on capital gains and dividends. The crony capitalists of K Street already own more than enough Republican votes to stop that train before it leaves the station."

"In short, Mr. Ryan’s plan is devoid of credible math or hard policy choices. And it couldn’t pass even if Republicans were to take the presidency and both houses of Congress. Mr. Romney and Mr. Ryan have no plan to take on Wall Street, the Fed, the military-industrial complex, social insurance or the nation’s fiscal calamity and no plan to revive capitalist prosperity — just empty sermons.'



http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/14/opinion/paul-ryans-fairy-tale-budget-plan.html?_r=2&ref=opinion

Good thing Obama's appointed co-chair on his Committee On Fiscal Responsibility sees things differently.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbzpuqWo6yU]Erskine Bowles: Ryan budget is "sensible...honest, serious" - YouTube[/ame]

So, as a taxpayer, you are OK with "slashing popular tax breaks for employer-provided health insurance, mortgage interest, 401(k) accounts, state and local taxes, charitable giving and the like"?

I can't speak for anyone but myself, but if Romney/Ryan cut those tax breaks, I (middle class) would see one helluva a tax increase?

not necessarily.it depends on what other deductions are left or upped. of course if we went to a flat tax that would be optimal.

 

[Warrior102]

This piece spells out many of the problems with Ryans philosophy.

"Mr. Ryan showed his conservative mettle in 2008 when he folded like a lawn chair on the auto bailout and the Wall Street bailout. But the greater hypocrisy is his phony “plan” to solve the entitlements mess by deferring changes to social insurance by at least a decade."

"The Ryan Plan boils down to a fetish for cutting the top marginal income-tax rate for “job creators” — i.e. the superwealthy — to 25 percent and paying for it with an as-yet-undisclosed plan to broaden the tax base. Of the $1 trillion in so-called tax expenditures that the plan would attack, the vast majority would come from slashing popular tax breaks for employer-provided health insurance, mortgage interest, 401(k) accounts, state and local taxes, charitable giving and the like, not to mention low rates on capital gains and dividends. The crony capitalists of K Street already own more than enough Republican votes to stop that train before it leaves the station."

"In short, Mr. Ryan’s plan is devoid of credible math or hard policy choices. And it couldn’t pass even if Republicans were to take the presidency and both houses of Congress. Mr. Romney and Mr. Ryan have no plan to take on Wall Street, the Fed, the military-industrial complex, social insurance or the nation’s fiscal calamity and no plan to revive capitalist prosperity — just empty sermons.'



http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/14/opinion/paul-ryans-fairy-tale-budget-plan.html?_r=2&ref=opinion

AND WHO GIVES A FUCK? Is this all you have assfucker?

 

[Dot Com]

warbler makes a good point, there are gays in the Repub ranks as well.

 

[Eaglewings]

Thanks good to see this... unbelievable that Ryan or Romney are compared to Reagan, or the Kennedy..haaa hope this puts it to reast.

 

[AquaAthena]

This piece spells out many of the problems with Ryans philosophy.

"Mr. Ryan showed his conservative mettle in 2008 when he folded like a lawn chair on the auto bailout and the Wall Street bailout. But the greater hypocrisy is his phony “plan” to solve the entitlements mess by deferring changes to social insurance by at least a decade."

"The Ryan Plan boils down to a fetish for cutting the top marginal income-tax rate for “job creators” — i.e. the superwealthy — to 25 percent and paying for it with an as-yet-undisclosed plan to broaden the tax base. Of the $1 trillion in so-called tax expenditures that the plan would attack, the vast majority would come from slashing popular tax breaks for employer-provided health insurance, mortgage interest, 401(k) accounts, state and local taxes, charitable giving and the like, not to mention low rates on capital gains and dividends. The crony capitalists of K Street already own more than enough Republican votes to stop that train before it leaves the station."

"In short, Mr. Ryan’s plan is devoid of credible math or hard policy choices. And it couldn’t pass even if Republicans were to take the presidency and both houses of Congress. Mr. Romney and Mr. Ryan have no plan to take on Wall Street, the Fed, the military-industrial complex, social insurance or the nation’s fiscal calamity and no plan to revive capitalist prosperity — just empty sermons.'



http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/14/opinion/paul-ryans-fairy-tale-budget-plan.html?_r=2&ref=opinion

Good thing Obama's appointed co-chair on his Committee On Fiscal Responsibility sees things differently.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbzpuqWo6yU]Erskine Bowles: Ryan budget is "sensible...honest, serious" - YouTube[/ame]

Ronald Reagan's son, Michael, said today, his dad, would have very much liked and approved of Paul Ryan.....

 

[Clementine]

This piece spells out many of the problems with Ryans philosophy.

"Mr. Ryan showed his conservative mettle in 2008 when he folded like a lawn chair on the auto bailout and the Wall Street bailout. But the greater hypocrisy is his phony “plan” to solve the entitlements mess by deferring changes to social insurance by at least a decade."

"The Ryan Plan boils down to a fetish for cutting the top marginal income-tax rate for “job creators” — i.e. the superwealthy — to 25 percent and paying for it with an as-yet-undisclosed plan to broaden the tax base. Of the $1 trillion in so-called tax expenditures that the plan would attack, the vast majority would come from slashing popular tax breaks for employer-provided health insurance, mortgage interest, 401(k) accounts, state and local taxes, charitable giving and the like, not to mention low rates on capital gains and dividends. The crony capitalists of K Street already own more than enough Republican votes to stop that train before it leaves the station."

"In short, Mr. Ryan’s plan is devoid of credible math or hard policy choices. And it couldn’t pass even if Republicans were to take the presidency and both houses of Congress. Mr. Romney and Mr. Ryan have no plan to take on Wall Street, the Fed, the military-industrial complex, social insurance or the nation’s fiscal calamity and no plan to revive capitalist prosperity — just empty sermons.'



http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/14/opinion/paul-ryans-fairy-tale-budget-plan.html?_r=2&ref=opinion

Good thing Obama's appointed co-chair on his Committee On Fiscal Responsibility sees things differently.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbzpuqWo6yU]Erskine Bowles: Ryan budget is "sensible...honest, serious" - YouTube[/ame]

Hmmm, interesting.

I wonder why that didn't get the same spotlight as someone blasting Ryan.

 

[Pheonixops]

This piece spells out many of the problems with Ryans philosophy.

"Mr. Ryan showed his conservative mettle in 2008 when he folded like a lawn chair on the auto bailout and the Wall Street bailout. But the greater hypocrisy is his phony “plan” to solve the entitlements mess by deferring changes to social insurance by at least a decade."

"The Ryan Plan boils down to a fetish for cutting the top marginal income-tax rate for “job creators” — i.e. the superwealthy — to 25 percent and paying for it with an as-yet-undisclosed plan to broaden the tax base. Of the $1 trillion in so-called tax expenditures that the plan would attack, the vast majority would come from slashing popular tax breaks for employer-provided health insurance, mortgage interest, 401(k) accounts, state and local taxes, charitable giving and the like, not to mention low rates on capital gains and dividends. The crony capitalists of K Street already own more than enough Republican votes to stop that train before it leaves the station."

"In short, Mr. Ryan’s plan is devoid of credible math or hard policy choices. And it couldn’t pass even if Republicans were to take the presidency and both houses of Congress. Mr. Romney and Mr. Ryan have no plan to take on Wall Street, the Fed, the military-industrial complex, social insurance or the nation’s fiscal calamity and no plan to revive capitalist prosperity — just empty sermons.'



http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/14/opinion/paul-ryans-fairy-tale-budget-plan.html?_r=2&ref=opinion

Good thing Obama's appointed co-chair on his Committee On Fiscal Responsibility sees things differently.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbzpuqWo6yU]Erskine Bowles: Ryan budget is "sensible...honest, serious" - YouTube[/ame]

Hmmm, interesting.

I wonder why that didn't get the same spotlight as someone blasting Ryan.

So the fact that a person who was appointed by a person who you may have a LOT of ideological differences with (Obama), especially fiscally approves of Ryan's plan, makes you happy? Okay......................

 

[Dutch]

Voted for the auto bailout ..... check
Voted for Tarp..........check
Voted for Wall Street bailout.........check

Where are your guys principles.
Sellouts

 

[IGetItAlready]

Good thing Obama's appointed co-chair on his Committee On Fiscal Responsibility sees things differently.

Hmmm, interesting.

I wonder why that didn't get the same spotlight as someone blasting Ryan.

So the fact that a person who was appointed by a person who you may have a LOT of ideological differences with (Obama), especially fiscally approves of Ryan's plan, makes you happy? Okay......................

The fact that Obama appointed this guy BECAUSE no one disputes Bowles' knowledge of his field combined with the fact that Obama utterly ignored his suggestions combined with the fact that Obama's alternative was shunned by literally EVERYONE in the Senate makes ME happy.
Not much you can do to dress up a train wreck like that. So, as the many threads on these boards suggest, most liberals will do everything they can to avoid the subject entirely.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Voted for the auto bailout ..... check
Voted for Tarp..........check
Voted for Wall Street bailout.........check

Where are your guys principles.
Sellouts

That was one vote for TARP, not 3 separate votes.
Wasn't Obama going to close Gitmoe and raise taxes on the rich?
What's he waiting for?

 

[Truthseeker420]

This piece spells out many of the problems with Ryans philosophy.

"Mr. Ryan showed his conservative mettle in 2008 when he folded like a lawn chair on the auto bailout and the Wall Street bailout. But the greater hypocrisy is his phony “plan” to solve the entitlements mess by deferring changes to social insurance by at least a decade."

"The Ryan Plan boils down to a fetish for cutting the top marginal income-tax rate for “job creators” — i.e. the superwealthy — to 25 percent and paying for it with an as-yet-undisclosed plan to broaden the tax base. Of the $1 trillion in so-called tax expenditures that the plan would attack, the vast majority would come from slashing popular tax breaks for employer-provided health insurance, mortgage interest, 401(k) accounts, state and local taxes, charitable giving and the like, not to mention low rates on capital gains and dividends. The crony capitalists of K Street already own more than enough Republican votes to stop that train before it leaves the station."

"In short, Mr. Ryan’s plan is devoid of credible math or hard policy choices. And it couldn’t pass even if Republicans were to take the presidency and both houses of Congress. Mr. Romney and Mr. Ryan have no plan to take on Wall Street, the Fed, the military-industrial complex, social insurance or the nation’s fiscal calamity and no plan to revive capitalist prosperity — just empty sermons.'



http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/14/opinion/paul-ryans-fairy-tale-budget-plan.html?_r=2&ref=opinion

Good thing Obama's appointed co-chair on his Committee On Fiscal Responsibility sees things differently.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbzpuqWo6yU]Erskine Bowles: Ryan budget is "sensible...honest, serious" - YouTube[/ame]

Bowles is just butthurt because his plan got rejected by Obama and the commision, he feels railroaded( lol pardon the pun).

 

[Moonglow]

What did Stockman say about Obama's Budget? Oh wait! That's right, he never bothered to pass one.

Obama does not pass budgetary legislation, Congress does. now Obama has given a budget to Congress.