Former Radical Islamist: Yeah, Ben Carson Is Right About Muslims

[longknife]

It's nice to hear (read) it from the horse's mouth.



By Tawfik Hamid: As a Muslim — and particularly as a former member of a radical Islamist group — I can state unequivocally that Dr. Carson is correct. Without a single exception, the approved Islamic literature teaches violent principles such as killing apostates, beating women, killing gays, and enslaving female war prisoners for sexual purposes.



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[BULLDOG]

Those same things can be found in the Bible. A radical Christian can find plenty of justification to do the exact same things if that is what he chooses to do. Of course no sane person who reads the Bible or the Quran believes that those things are applicable today, but the words are there to motivate radicals from either group if that is what they want.

THE BIBLE CALLS FOR KILLING APOSTATES
Deuteronomy 13:6-9 "If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying: Let us go and worship other gods (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other, or gods of other religions), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people."

Deuteronomy 17:3-5 "And he should go and worship other gods and bow down to them or to the sun or the moon or all the army of the heavens, .....and you must stone such one with stones and such one must die."

THE BIBLE CALLS FOR KILLING GAYS
Leviticus 20:13: "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

THE BIBLE CALLS FOR ENSLAVING FEMALE WAR PRISONERS FOR SEXUAL PURPOSES
Deuteronomy 21: 10-13
10 “When you go out to war against your enemies, and the Lord your God gives them into your hand and you take them captive, 11 and you see among the captives a beautiful woman, and you desire to take her to be your wife, 12 and you bring her home to your house, she shall shave her head and pare her nails. 13 And she shall take off the clothes in which she was captured and shall remain in your house and lament her father and her mother a full month. After that you may go in to her and be her husband, and she shall be your wife.

 

[Roudy]

Ben Carson is simply stating the obvious. Maybe when hell freezes over we'll have Muslim president.

 

[American_Jihad]

Leftist Bigotry vs. Qur'anic Islam
Listening to Islam in its own voice.
October 8, 2015
Jack Kerwick

...
The second phase occurs after Muhammad had fled Mecca for Medina, a city some 300 miles away. While in Medina, Muhammad manages to accumulate considerable power and influence, resources that he is determined to deploy with an eye toward taking hold of the city from which he was driven. Accordingly, the Quran’s teachings on tolerance and war change:

“Fight in the cause of God those who fight you…[a]nd slay them wherever ye catch them[.]” (Sura 2:190).

At this point, it’s true that the Quran commands Muslims to fight defensively. But once Muhammad and his army invade and seize command of Mecca, these older teachings are abrogated:

“But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war).”

However, “if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity [if they submit to Islam], then open the way for them” (Sura 9:6).

It is worth noting that while the Quran refers to Jews and Christians as “people of the Book,” of the Bible, it nevertheless includes them among the unbelievers upon whom Muslims must wage war.

“Fight those who believe not in God nor the last day…even if they are people of the Book, until they pay the jizya with willing submission” and “feel themselves subdued” (Sura 9:29).

The “jizya” is the money, the tribute, that non-Muslims had always been required to pay to their Muslim rulers in exchange for being permitted to practice their own religion free from harm or death.

Muhammad, the greatest of God’s prophets, the messenger through whom God Himself expressed His will, was a conqueror. The first biography of Muhammad (“The Life of Muhammad”), authored by Ibn Ishaq in the 8th century, informs us of how after the members of one of the Jewish tribes that Muhammad and his army besieged surrendered, “the apostle went out to the market of Medina…and dug trenches in it. Then he sent for them and struck off their heads in those trenches as they were brought out to him in batches.”

Ibn Ishaq continues: “There were 600 or 700 in all, though some put the figure as high as 800 or 900.”

The women, children, and properties of the slain were then taken.

Quranic Islam is a seventh-century precursor to neither libertarianism nor left-wing “progressivism” nor any other contemporary Western ideology. It is what it is.

Unlike the comments of many of Carson’s supporters and all of his critics, my remarks here are not designed to either affirm or deny the value of Islam per se. Rather, by listening to the Quran in something like its own voice, they are intended to serve as an antidote to the PC bigotry that seems to inevitably engulf current discussions of Islam.

And when we actually step outside of our own present sensibilities, it becomes clear—for many, just too painfully clear—that, considered theoretically, Carson was correct: Islam and the Constitution (“liberal democracy”) are systematically incompatible.

Leftist Bigotry vs. Qur'anic Islam

 

[TheOldSchool]

Anytime a religious maniac sees reason it's a good thing.

Recovering Fundamentalists

 

[longknife]

Leftist Bigotry vs. Qur'anic Islam
Listening to Islam in its own voice.
October 8, 2015
Jack Kerwick

...
The second phase occurs after Muhammad had fled Mecca for Medina, a city some 300 miles away. While in Medina, Muhammad manages to accumulate considerable power and influence, resources that he is determined to deploy with an eye toward taking hold of the city from which he was driven. Accordingly, the Quran’s teachings on tolerance and war change:

“Fight in the cause of God those who fight you…[a]nd slay them wherever ye catch them[.]” (Sura 2:190).

At this point, it’s true that the Quran commands Muslims to fight defensively. But once Muhammad and his army invade and seize command of Mecca, these older teachings are abrogated:

“But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war).”

However, “if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity [if they submit to Islam], then open the way for them” (Sura 9:6).

It is worth noting that while the Quran refers to Jews and Christians as “people of the Book,” of the Bible, it nevertheless includes them among the unbelievers upon whom Muslims must wage war.

“Fight those who believe not in God nor the last day…even if they are people of the Book, until they pay the jizya with willing submission” and “feel themselves subdued” (Sura 9:29).

The “jizya” is the money, the tribute, that non-Muslims had always been required to pay to their Muslim rulers in exchange for being permitted to practice their own religion free from harm or death.

Muhammad, the greatest of God’s prophets, the messenger through whom God Himself expressed His will, was a conqueror. The first biography of Muhammad (“The Life of Muhammad”), authored by Ibn Ishaq in the 8th century, informs us of how after the members of one of the Jewish tribes that Muhammad and his army besieged surrendered, “the apostle went out to the market of Medina…and dug trenches in it. Then he sent for them and struck off their heads in those trenches as they were brought out to him in batches.”

Ibn Ishaq continues: “There were 600 or 700 in all, though some put the figure as high as 800 or 900.”

The women, children, and properties of the slain were then taken.

Quranic Islam is a seventh-century precursor to neither libertarianism nor left-wing “progressivism” nor any other contemporary Western ideology. It is what it is.

Unlike the comments of many of Carson’s supporters and all of his critics, my remarks here are not designed to either affirm or deny the value of Islam per se. Rather, by listening to the Quran in something like its own voice, they are intended to serve as an antidote to the PC bigotry that seems to inevitably engulf current discussions of Islam.

And when we actually step outside of our own present sensibilities, it becomes clear—for many, just too painfully clear—that, considered theoretically, Carson was correct: Islam and the Constitution (“liberal democracy”) are systematically incompatible.

Leftist Bigotry vs. Qur'anic Islam

A Rational Fear of Islam

If you show or talk about it, you're Islamophobic. And the liberal left progressives will not admit the truth as that would make them Islamophobic. Well, this video tells the truth about Islam produced by someone who decided the Devil's cult was no longer for him.

 

[Roudy]

Of course Ben Carson is right, speaking in medical terms, Islam is the cancer to modern humanity:

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[jillian]

It's nice to hear (read) it from the horse's mouth.



By Tawfik Hamid: As a Muslim — and particularly as a former member of a radical Islamist group — I can state unequivocally that Dr. Carson is correct. Without a single exception, the approved Islamic literature teaches violent principles such as killing apostates, beating women, killing gays, and enslaving female war prisoners for sexual purposes.



Read more @ Carson Is Right About Muslims

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