Forget the evolution debate

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    An Athiest in Italy has sued the Roman Catholic Church claiming that they are defrauding people in teaching that Jesus Christ is a real person.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10712047/from/RS.4/

    How long before something like this happens in the states?
     
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    LOL. They couldn't. They have no First Amendment in Italy, they can there.
     
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    I can't believe that 13% of the people who took the poll on there didn't even believe he existed as a historical figure.
     
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    It depends on whether or no you are talking about the Jesus of the Bible or not.

    There exists no man named Jesus who rose from the dead 2000 years ago and could walk on water.

    However, there does exist a man named Jesus who lived 2000 years ago whose followers founded the Catholic Church.
     
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    In your opinion, of course.
     
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    We're talking about the same man. Jesus, the historical figure, the one who inspired the Catholic/Christian faith, whose followers believe he rose from the dead. Same guy. Whether you believe in Christianity or not.

    Now, be nice and stop flaming me; I just repped you! :flameth:
     
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    Since when has the Constitution stopped a liberal?
     
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    Yea, that guy in the article said he had proof of Jesus's existence, historical records. Haha I hope he dosen't mean Josephus. 11 rather nondescript lines which basically say nothing of any value whatsoever prove nothing.
    Also The Testimonium Flavianum IF not a forgery was written in 93CE therefore NOT 20 years after but actually at least 60 years after the alleged event. Then we have the fact that Josephus was a fairly prolific writer, he wrote I think something like 20 Books, devoted whole chapters to very average, mundane events & people, thieves and rogues, etc....Yet he supposedly if the forgery is to be believed only wrote one paragraph out of 20 books on what you claim is the savior of all mankind? Ha.

    And don't even get me started on the Gospels. They could not be accurate, or eye-witness accounts, as they were written 70-100 years ex post facto. (after the fact)
     
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    everything you post is old news, and has been thouroughly refuted by reputable scholars.

    Do you read/write Greek? Arabic? Hebrew?
    Many scholars who are much more knowledgable than you do, and they seem to disagree with your plagerized rebuttals.

    Do you know who

    Eusebius is?
    Papiaos?
    Irenaeus?

    Lets see just how much of a Biblical/Christian history scholar you really are.
     
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    Wrong.

    Mark, Luke, and Matthew were all written no later than AD 70, less than 40 years after the fact. And recently, there was a discovery of a small fragment of the Gospel of Mark that is dated around 50 AD - 20 years after the events. So all three gospels were written while the eyewitnesses were still alive, and could have testified to the truths written in the three accounts. John's gospel was written around 90 AD, which was still only 60 years after the events.
     

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