Foreshadowing: Stalin

[Andrew2382]

Campaign For Liberty — Blog

Found this quote from Stalin, seems pretty relevant of what is going on today.


"American people would never accept socialism or communism and the only hope of imposing a red regime in the United States was a consistent but gradual increase in local and federal public-ownership projects. Publicly owned operations pay little if any taxes in the end, and in the end the result would be a final acceptance of complete government ownership and their operation.

Every new local or federal public-ownership project is added nail in the coffin that would finally contain capitalism. The tax burdens will become greater every year for the American people, and each government owned operation will throw an added burden in the private taxpayers. It is obvious the camel's back of capitalism will finally break under an unbearable burden.

We must reach to the average left-wing American liberal. While he will be insulted at being called a socialist or a communist, he would enthusiastically use his influence to bring about more and more public-private ownership operations in the fields of natural resources, transportation, and all other commercial lines. This is why we must enlist the left-wing liberals in all walks of life, not only in the United States, but in all of Latin America as well."

Also,

The Veritas Foundation released this paper on the policies of Harvard University, the institution that president-elect Obama both graduated from and taught at.

Indoctrination of undergraduates in socialism usually proceeded in three phases.

-Socialists lectures conditioned the young minds to hate capitalism as an outmoded and cruel system.
-Despise and distrust individual capitalists as exploiters and reactionaries who oppose social improvements.
-The fledgling radical is hooked by clever scientific examples and formuli which prove to him that the current social order is predestined to collapse and socialism is preordained to take its place.



Good read the website,

I heard it on Glenn Beck, and have been trying to find the text and just found it. Scary stuff

 

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[Andrew2382]

Laugh if ya want, everything he said is happening

 

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okay Andrew if you say so

 

[Epsilon Delta]

Uh, Andrew, Harvard is one of the most right-wing universities in the world. It just happens to be that Universities are also the 'reddest' places basically everywhere.

You guys, seriously. A three percent tax increase on 2.3% of the population is not "socialism". Drop it, nobody's bought it.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

Isn't it cool how the left comes to offer no argument which would otherwise offer a rational explanation... and instead advances what amounts to a flaccid denial through impotent laughter?

The OP nails it... and all the opposition can do is laugh.

I doubt she'll be laughing when she's running for her life and denying that she ever advocated for left-think, when the socialist machine collapses as it must; as the system can only operate on the back of wealth creation and socialism can only destroy the means to create wealth; thus the system for which she advocates must fail and when it does, the result will be total, unbridled, merciless war... where anything that ever sought to infringe upon the valid right of the individual will be hunted down and destroyed and given their position on the ownership of firearms... that is a war which shouldn't take much more than a cushy 96.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

Uh, Andrew, Harvard is one of the most right-wing universities in the world.

Yeah... along with Columbia, Yale & Berkeley.

HEY! I've got an idea... why don't you post for the board those Harvard traits which truly bespeak the ideological Right.

For the record, FIRE (The Foundation for Individual Rights in Education) gives Harvard a "RED" rating... which FTR... Berkely is given a "Yellow." (Think traffic light... Green, Yellow, RED)

 

[Epsilon Delta]

Isn't it cool how the left comes to offer no argument which would otherwise offer a rational explanation... and instead advances what amounts to a flaccid denial through impotent laughter?

The OP nails it... and all the opposition can do is laugh.

I doubt she'll be laughing when she's running for her life and denying that she ever advocated for left-think, when the socialist machine collapses as it must; as the system can only operate on the back of wealth creation and socialism can only destroy the means to create wealth; thus the system for which she advocates must fail and when it does, the result will be total, unbridled, merciless war... where anything that ever sought to infringe upon the valid right of the individual will be hunted down and destroyed and given their position on the ownership of firearms... that is a war which shouldn't take much more than a cushy 96.

Hahaha. Alright, dude . That's exactly what's gonna happen. PUBLI GET YER GUNS BEFORE I GET YOU WITH THE CRUSHING POWER OF THE STATE!!!!!

 

[Andrew2382]

Excellent rebuttal Ep

Amazing Stalin nailed it.

"We must reach to the average left-wing American liberal. While he will be insulted at being called a socialist or a communist, he would enthusiastically use his influence to bring about more and more public-private ownership operations in the fields of natural resources, transportation, and all other commercial lines. This is why we must enlist the left-wing liberals in all walks of life, not only in the United States, but in all of Latin America as well."

Thats the most interesting part to me, Stalin was a pretty smart guy apparently

 

[Chris]

Isn't it cool how the left comes to offer no argument which would otherwise offer a rational explanation... and instead advances what amounts to a flaccid denial through impotent laughter?

The OP nails it... and all the opposition can do is laugh.

I doubt she'll be laughing when she's running for her life and denying that she ever advocated for left-think, when the socialist machine collapses as it must; as the system can only operate on the back of wealth creation and socialism can only destroy the means to create wealth; thus the system for which she advocates must fail and when it does, the result will be total, unbridled, merciless war... where anything that ever sought to infringe upon the valid right of the individual will be hunted down and destroyed and given their position on the ownership of firearms... that is a war which shouldn't take much more than a cushy 96.

Hey dufus, the system already crashed.

 

[xsited1]

Found this quote from Stalin, seems pretty relevant of what is going on today.

"American people would never accept socialism or communism and the only hope of imposing a red regime in the United States was a consistent but gradual increase in local and federal public-ownership projects. Publicly owned operations pay little if any taxes in the end, and in the end the result would be a final acceptance of complete government ownership and their operation.

Stalin was talking about Liberals and Neoconservatives. If you represent one of these groups, you need to realize that you are killing America.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

Hey dufus, the system already crashed.

Did it Chris?

That's an interestinf assessment ya have there, because it's still writing checks and it's still planning the anointment of the Messiah...

Tell me Chrissy... how are ya defining 'crash?'

(She will not respond, or if she does, she will work to disemble and avoid answering the question)

 

[Chris]

Did it Chris?

That's an interestinf assessment ya have there, because it's still writing checks and it's still planning the anointment of the Messiah...

Tell me Chrissy... how are ya defining 'crash?'

(She will not respond, or if she does, she will work to disemble and avoid answering the question)

The collapse of the financial and auto industries.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

Hahaha. Alright, dude . That's exactly what's gonna happen. PUBLI GET YER GUNS BEFORE I GET YOU WITH THE CRUSHING POWER OF THE STATE!!!!!

ROFL... OH GOD! Now that is just PRECIOUS!

Notice how there is never any valid rebuttal; no argument, no basis in reasoning... little more can be found in the rhetorical smoldering heaps of these reactionaries than flaccid appeals to a perceived popularity.

Hey Frat queen... where're the Conservative traits of Harvard University you were challenged to provide?

 

[Sunni Man]

Uh, Andrew, Harvard is one of the most right-wing universities in the world. It just happens to be that Universities are also the 'reddest' places basically everywhere.

Harvard is located in Cambridge, Mass.

Have you ever been there?

It is refered to by the locals as the "People's Rebublic of Cambridge"

The place is full of ultra left wing, homos, hippies, and all sorts of weirdos.

Massachuteess is as blue as they come. And Harvard and Cambridge are the capital of the wacko liberal politics.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

The collapse of the financial and auto industries.

NOoooooooo... The Financial 'industry' (ROFLMNAO>>> It's a market, DUMBASS) and Auto Industry hasn't collapsed...

All you're loking at there is the effects of leftism on otherwise perfectly viable operations.

Leftist interference with the mortgage market caused the sub-prime fiasco, the government bailout will only make it worse... That's not a collapse of the Market... it's a failure of the GOVERNMENT, which has NOT collapsed, YET.

The same goes for Auto industry. The market for automobiles isn't going anywhere... there are still 6 billion human beings on the planet that need and want cars... YET GM and FORD can't produce a profit... They're sellin' a shitload of cars... sure sales are down due to the government caused credit crisis... but they're still sellin' cars BY THE TENS OF THOUSANDS... the problem is PROFIT and the lack thereof...

So when you're selling and not making a profit, why is that Chris?

If you're selling then the public is buying which means the price (cost) is balanced with the benefit... So what's left? Hmm... Product is moving... but they're NOT MAKING ANY MONEY AFTER... somethin'...

What is that, Chris?

There's Sales... minus... SOMETHING...

Help me out here Chris... what is that thing which is keeping GM from making a profit from all those thousands of cars they're selling?

 

[Epsilon Delta]

Excellent rebuttal Ep

Amazing Stalin nailed it.

"We must reach to the average left-wing American liberal. While he will be insulted at being called a socialist or a communist, he would enthusiastically use his influence to bring about more and more public-private ownership operations in the fields of natural resources, transportation, and all other commercial lines. This is why we must enlist the left-wing liberals in all walks of life, not only in the United States, but in all of Latin America as well."

Thats the most interesting part to me, Stalin was a pretty smart guy apparently

Sorry man, but if I were to go around saying "When the capitalist system collapses I'm going to go around and murder every capitalist" I would hope people would laugh at me.

Furthermore, Stalin didn't nail anything. Stalin was a brutal tyrant, who knew nothing about socialism, or didn't show it, as he created the biggest prison camp on earth. The Soviet Union was a system of State Capitalism, but it was very lucrative for both the superpowers to keep up the image that it was "communism" (that way the USSR could draw on the support of, and eventually invade, worker's parties around the world while the US had the perfect excuse to brutally intervene anywhere it could tag as "socialist"). In reality, the Cold War was a farce, both the elites of these states had a vested and colluding interests in each other, and it would have kept going if the Soviet Union wasn't a crumbling, rotting edifice since the 1960s. In reality, what Stalin ran was an incredibly reactionary state, structurally with very little different to Czarist Russia- and those people he is talking about in that paragraph would've been brutally murdered in the Soviet Union (at least, I know I would have), as they would have been in Czarist Russia.

Besides, what he's saying does happen in the US. I don't think anyone here is surprised by the gigantic role the state has historically played in the US economy (or EVERY developed economy, for that matter). But even then, look at the countries that have an even more solidified public-private ownership of key industries- France, Japan, Germany (which are Coordinated Market Economies (CME), as opposed to the US and Britain which are more liberal market economies (LME)), and they're still in the exact same group of western liberal democracies, not brutal tyrannies. Really, I don't even know what point you're trying to make- I'm sure I can go and find any number of quotes by Hitler on "nationalism", but that doesn't mean I'm going to post it and try to imply that every nationalist in the US (of which there's TONS on this board) of being a Hitlerite. "Hitler controlled inflation in germany! Oh no, that means people who are trying to control inflation now MUST be Fascists!"

 

[Epsilon Delta]

ROFL... OH GOD! Now that is just PRECIOUS!

Notice how there is never any valid rebuttal; no argument, no basis in reasoning... little more can be found in the rhetorical smoldering heaps of these reactionaries than flaccid appeals to a perceived popularity.

Hey Frat queen... where're the Conservative traits of Harvard University you were challenged to provide?

Oh fuck, I hadn't seen that. Stay tuned, I'll come back to this when I get back.

Oh, by the way, and what the fuck are you doing, man? Where's your reasoning? I see NO reasoning in your first post. Can you quote your own post next time and point at it? "SHE WILL SOON RUN WHEN SHE GETS KILLED BY ME, THE EVERLASTING PUNISHER OF THE LEFT". What's there to rebutt there, huh? It's a joke.

"rhetorical smoldering heaps of these reactionaries than flaccid appeals to a percieved popularity"? Sorry, man, guess I just can't handle you "Harvard" types.

 

[Chris]

NOoooooooo... The Financial 'industry' (ROFLMNAO>>> It's a market, DUMBASS) and Auto Industry hasn't collapsed...

All you're loking at there is the effects of leftism on otherwise perfectly viable operations.

Leftist interference with the mortgage market caused the sub-prime fiasco, the government bailout will only make it worse... That's not a collapse of the Market... it's a failure of the GOVERNMENT, which has NOT collapsed, YET.

The same goes for Auto industry. The market for automobiles isn't going anywhere... there are still 6 billion human beings on the planet that need and want cars... YET GM and FORD can't produce a profit... They're sellin' a shitload of cars... sure sales are down due to the government caused credit crisis... but they're still sellin' cars BY THE TENS OF THOUSANDS... the problem is PROFIT and the lack thereof...

So when you're selling and not making a profit, why is that Chris?

If you're selling then the public is buying which means the price (cost) is balanced with the benefit... So what's left? Hmm... Product is moving... but they're NOT MAKING ANY MONEY AFTER... somethin'...

What is that, Chris?

There's Sales... minus... SOMETHING...

Help me out here Chris... what is that thing which is keeping GM from making a profit from all those thousands of cars they're selling?

So GM paying their workers too many benefits is "socialism?" Please....

Read this article, it outlines quite well why GM is in trouble.

Why Bankruptcy Is the Best Option for GM - WSJ.com

 

[rayboyusmc]

More soundbites from the right.

Sunni, you and Publius would fit right in:

The place is full of ultra left wing, homos, hippies, and all sorts of weirdos

Publius, does calling everyone who disagrees with you she or her, make your manhood more better?

You are an extremist of the extremes. Laughing at riduculous arguments is the best response.

Up your marxism etc.