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[Old Rocks]

Swiss Zinc-Air Battery Company, ReVolt, Chooses Portland, Oregon For US Headquarters – Wants $30M in Stimulus Funding. – Gas 2.0

Setting its sights on the burgeoning US market for car batteries, cutting-edge Swiss zinc-air battery company, ReVolt, has decided to take advantage of Oregon’s generous business tax credits for development of next generation car technologies.


Announcing that it has selected Portland, Oregon as the location for its US headquarters and manufacturing center, ReVolt said it expects to create as many as 250 new jobs there. The partnership represents a coup for Oregon and Portland in the race to be the future electric car capital of the world.

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When it comes to next generation battery technologies, zinc-air holds a ton of promise. Purportedly, if you were to compare a zinc-air battery to a lithium-ion battery of the same size, the zinc-air battery would be able to hold 3 times the amount of energy as the lithium-ion battery. Also, given that zinc is a much more abundant material than lithium, it would not only make for cheaper batteries, it would also be a wiser choice for battery material to avoid future shortages.

 

[Revere]

Swiss Zinc-Air Battery Company, ReVolt, Chooses Portland, Oregon For US Headquarters – Wants $30M in Stimulus Funding. – Gas 2.0

Setting its sights on the burgeoning US market for car batteries, cutting-edge Swiss zinc-air battery company, ReVolt, has decided to take advantage of Oregon’s generous business tax credits for development of next generation car technologies.


Announcing that it has selected Portland, Oregon as the location for its US headquarters and manufacturing center, ReVolt said it expects to create as many as 250 new jobs there. The partnership represents a coup for Oregon and Portland in the race to be the future electric car capital of the world.

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When it comes to next generation battery technologies, zinc-air holds a ton of promise. Purportedly, if you were to compare a zinc-air battery to a lithium-ion battery of the same size, the zinc-air battery would be able to hold 3 times the amount of energy as the lithium-ion battery. Also, given that zinc is a much more abundant material than lithium, it would not only make for cheaper batteries, it would also be a wiser choice for battery material to avoid future shortages.

Now the corporate welfare takers are coming from overseas.

 

[Old Rocks]

If they build and manufacture a battery here that extends the range of a Leaf from 100 miles to 300 miles, who cares where they come from. We need manufacturing jobs, and we need an affordable long range EV battery.

 

[Revere]

If it was viable it would not need corporate welfare.

 

[Old Rocks]

Revolt Technology to manufacture eco-friendly zinc-air batteries in Portland - Portland Sustainable Living | Examiner.com

Zinc-air batteries are twice as efficient as Li-ion batteries but haven’t been practical in the past because of problems related to recharging. ReVolt seems to have solved the problems using technology first developed at the SINTEF research institute in Norway.

Zinc-based batteries are far less expensive to manufacture than lithium-based batteries and because zinc is more plentiful than lithium, the likelihood of future materials shortages are remote.

The ReVolt zinc-air batteries should have a life of between 2,000 and 10,000 cycles and could substantially extend the range of electric vehicles. ReVolt, says that the batteries degrade into environmentally-safe substances won’t need a specialized battery recycling program, though the zinc could be reclaimed.


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[Revere]

Any company that's can't pony up $30M for R&D doesn't belong in the business of manufacturing technology like this.

Just a bunch of welfare tit suckers with suits on.

 

[Flopper]

The Volt was also named car of the year. I think it should be obvious the electric and hybrid vehicles are the cars of the future and nothing is going to turn back the clock. Yes, there will be problems with electrical capacity to support these new electric vehicles. Hopefully new sources of electric power will be solar, wind, or nuclear, but even if oil is used in generating plants, their will be less pollution and greenhouse gases than produced gasoline vehicles.

Also, the efficiency of electric motors is much higher than the internal combustion engine, about 90% versus 30%. This means most of the energy in a gasoline engine is radiated as heat or it goes out the tailpipe.

 

[Old Rocks]

30% in the most efficient of ICEs. Most much less than that.

 

[Flopper]

All of the battery technology manufacturing is Chinese. So, just substitute dependence on the middle east with dependence on the Chinese.

It's not too lake for the US to become the leader in this market if we invest in it.

 

[Old Rocks]

Yep. This is where the Luddites like Revere are a pain in the ass. They cannot differentiate investment from waste. Waste is continueing to subsidize the oil and coal companies. Investment is investing in power that does not destroy our land and the quality of our life.

 

[mdn2000]

Swiss Zinc-Air Battery Company, ReVolt, Chooses Portland, Oregon For US Headquarters – Wants $30M in Stimulus Funding. – Gas 2.0

Setting its sights on the burgeoning US market for car batteries, cutting-edge Swiss zinc-air battery company, ReVolt, has decided to take advantage of Oregon’s generous business tax credits for development of next generation car technologies.


Announcing that it has selected Portland, Oregon as the location for its US headquarters and manufacturing center, ReVolt said it expects to create as many as 250 new jobs there. The partnership represents a coup for Oregon and Portland in the race to be the future electric car capital of the world.

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When it comes to next generation battery technologies, zinc-air holds a ton of promise. Purportedly, if you were to compare a zinc-air battery to a lithium-ion battery of the same size, the zinc-air battery would be able to hold 3 times the amount of energy as the lithium-ion battery. Also, given that zinc is a much more abundant material than lithium, it would not only make for cheaper batteries, it would also be a wiser choice for battery material to avoid future shortages.

Where are you going to get the electricity, Wind power is too weak to make Zinc.

 

[Mr. H.]

Yep. This is where the Luddites like Revere are a pain in the ass. They cannot differentiate investment from waste. Waste is continueing to subsidize the oil and coal companies. Investment is investing in power that does not destroy our land and the quality of our life.

What kind of an investment is it when the government kicks back thousands of dollars to someone willing to buy an electric vehicle? It helps sales??

The dealer gets his sticker price, the consumer gets a heavily discounted vehicle, and the government is out millions upon millions of dollars.

I'm fine with EV's, PV's, windmills and the like. But subsidies for alternatives and renewables isn't an investment - it's a giveaway. These energy generators have little hope of ever competing in the marketplace with hydrocarbons.

Alternatives/renewables do in their own way affect land, sea, and air and therefor our "quality of life".

And re: oil company "subsidies". I've sunk hundreds of thousands of dollars into deep vertical holes in the ground over the past 20 years and have yet to see a check in my mailbox with an Uncle Sam return address.

 

[Revere]

It's not investment when government does it. It's a bailout.

 

[uscitizen]

Yep. This is where the Luddites like Revere are a pain in the ass. They cannot differentiate investment from waste. Waste is continueing to subsidize the oil and coal companies. Investment is investing in power that does not destroy our land and the quality of our life.

He is merely a parrot for his corporate masters.

 

[mdn2000]

When you make Zinc you need a constant source of electricity, that is not wind. That is not solar.

You cannot make an electric car with wind or sun.

 

[Revere]

Yep. This is where the Luddites like Revere are a pain in the ass. They cannot differentiate investment from waste. Waste is continueing to subsidize the oil and coal companies. Investment is investing in power that does not destroy our land and the quality of our life.

He is merely a parrot for his corporate masters.

No, just not stupid enough to dump my used Ford Mustang for something that requires endless infusions of corporate welfare to keep viable.

 

[Flopper]

Yep. This is where the Luddites like Revere are a pain in the ass. They cannot differentiate investment from waste. Waste is continueing to subsidize the oil and coal companies. Investment is investing in power that does not destroy our land and the quality of our life.

What kind of an investment is it when the government kicks back thousands of dollars to someone willing to buy an electric vehicle? It helps sales??

The dealer gets his sticker price, the consumer gets a heavily discounted vehicle, and the government is out millions upon millions of dollars.

I'm fine with EV's, PV's, windmills and the like. But subsidies for alternatives and renewables isn't an investment - it's a giveaway. These energy generators have little hope of ever competing in the marketplace with hydrocarbons.

Alternatives/renewables do in their own way affect land, sea, and air and therefor our "quality of life".

And re: oil company "subsidies". I've sunk hundreds of thousands of dollars into deep vertical holes in the ground over the past 20 years and have yet to see a check in my mailbox with an Uncle Sam return address.

Not all subsidies are bad. A subsidy for a new technology that benefits the nation, such as the hybrid car subsidy, which expired in 2010 is a good thing providing it's phased out as sales increase and the technology matures. When hybrid cars first came on the market, they had many deficiencies and only one manufacture willing to build them. Subsides helped increase sales and improvements. Today there are at least a dozen models of hybrids from a number of manufactures.

Electric cars have the potential for reducing our dependence on foreign oil, and decreasing pollution, and greenhouse gases. Subsides can improve sales and profitability and stimulate development of improvements. Greater sales will mean lower prices. The amount of the subsidy decreases each year the model is on the market and is eventually phased out. The hybrid car subsidy worked quite well. I expect the EV subsidy will also be successful.

 

[mdn2000]

Yep. This is where the Luddites like Revere are a pain in the ass. They cannot differentiate investment from waste. Waste is continueing to subsidize the oil and coal companies. Investment is investing in power that does not destroy our land and the quality of our life.

What kind of an investment is it when the government kicks back thousands of dollars to someone willing to buy an electric vehicle? It helps sales??

The dealer gets his sticker price, the consumer gets a heavily discounted vehicle, and the government is out millions upon millions of dollars.

I'm fine with EV's, PV's, windmills and the like. But subsidies for alternatives and renewables isn't an investment - it's a giveaway. These energy generators have little hope of ever competing in the marketplace with hydrocarbons.

Alternatives/renewables do in their own way affect land, sea, and air and therefor our "quality of life".

And re: oil company "subsidies". I've sunk hundreds of thousands of dollars into deep vertical holes in the ground over the past 20 years and have yet to see a check in my mailbox with an Uncle Sam return address.

Not all subsidies are bad. A subsidy for a new technology that benefits the nation, such as the hybrid car subsidy, which expired in 2010 is a good thing providing it's phased out as sales increase and the technology matures. When hybrid cars first came on the market, they had many deficiencies and only one manufacture willing to build them. Subsides helped increase sales and improvements. Today there are at least a dozen models of hybrids from a number of manufactures.

Electric cars have the potential for reducing our dependence on foreign oil, and decreasing pollution, and greenhouse gases. Subsides can improve sales and profitability and stimulate development of improvements. Greater sales will mean lower prices. The amount of the subsidy decreases each year the model is on the market and is eventually phased out. The hybrid car subsidy worked quite well. I expect the EV subsidy will also be successful.

Takes more energy to build and run a hybrid so that kind of makes it less efficient. The subsidy is because it is not profitable. No profit means its a failure. Always will be.

 

[westwall]

What difference does it make if emmissions are coming from a tailpipe or a smokestack?

None.

True. But there aren't alot of emissions from these things.

Not while they are operating but making them creates a crapload of emissions. And not just of CO2 but of some real noxious gases.

 

[SFC Ollie]

When they have one that will get me to my kids house 600 miles away I might think about it.