For those who said forcing Americans to buy private insurance was Unconstitutional...

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    Why aren't you saying that about Ryan's kill-Medicare plan?

    Which forces seniors to buy private insurance...
     
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    Because it doesn't. It provides a voucher for senior to use to purchase their own health insurance, if they so choose.

    It doesn't fine them if they opt out.
     
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    I have been. Repeatedly.
     
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    Since when are seniors forced to use medicare at all? It's a voluntary program. The government has the choice stacked against you (if you begin collecting social security benefits then you're automatically enrolled in medicare), but in the end it's still voluntary.
     
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    It converts their previous medicare payments into vouchers that can only be used for insurance. They can "opt out" but then they lose their benefits altogether. It's hard to miss the similarity between this and Obamacare as each as has the same intent - to push as many people as possible into the private insurance pool, at taxpayer expense. More corporate welfare.
     
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    Actually, under current law, seniors who don't sign up for Medicare can be denied their Social Security benefits.
     
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    I'd like to see the voucher turned into something they can use to purchase health care directly without having to buy insurance or saved in a health savings account for the future if they so choose.

    Ultimately, this is can only be a transition plan to dismantle the entire thing altogether. We should privatize retirement and health care.
     
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    Yes it does because you still have to pay in. Where does the voucher money come from?

    It's a defacto fine if you don't buy the insurance.
     
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    I'm pretty sure that's not right. Paying into Medicare is not voluntary.
     
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    Right, that's what I meant. But none-the-less, it's all voluntary. Ryan's fix/attack or whatever you want to call it doesn't change the fact that Medicare is voluntary.
     

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