For Those Who Don't Understand What Occupy is REALLY About (Obviously LOTS of you)

[IndependntLogic]

I guess a lot of people here just believe what the MSM and Right Wing E-media
tell them. This would be the only explanation for some of the posts I've seen.
So I thought I'd help! Here is a C&P from a great OWS site. It will give you
guys a better idea of why you should support us! Here ya go:

"1. We don't want to End Capitalism, We Want to End Corporatacracy.

First, let's make it clear, This is a political movement, not an economic
revolt. We want to end the control of our government by Multi-National
Corporations. This is Issue Number One for everyone I've spoken to in Occupy
Wall Street.

Not one Occupier I know of, wants to turn us into the former Soviet Union (although just like the TP, every movement has it's fringe and the MSM loves to find them). We
don't want to end the economic system which allows people to buy the goods of
their choice. But we do want to end a corrupt political system which allows
Multi-National Corporations to buy the politicians of their choice. So the
single most important theme is Taking control of our government away from
Corporations and putting it back into the hands of We the People.

2. We won't tolerate a government that rewards corporate incompetence, greed and
fraud. No More Bank Bailouts.

The banks bought our government and then, after they lined their pockets with
the wealth of our nation, they blackmailed the government into giving them even
MORE money "In order to keep the economy from collapsing". Right. Then, instead
of making or refinancing home loans, Bank of America, Chase, Wells Fargo and
others spent our money on business mergers & acquisitions to benefit the 1%. Oh,
and of course, they paid themselves million dollar bonuses with our money.

We want to set a deadline for payback of existing bailouts. Any company that has
not fully repaid all monies by the deadline, should be broken up so that they
are no longer "too big to fail".

3. We want the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act repealed immediately.
For those of you unfamiliar with it: After the Great Depression, congress passed
the Glass-Steagal act to make sure that banks would never take stupid risks or
use corrupt practices to send the country into another Depression. Then 60 years
later, the banks and companies that bought and paid for Republican Senators Bill
Gramm, Jim Leach and Tom Bliley told them that Glass-Steagal was interfering
with their ability to swindle the American Public. Their masters told these
senators to pass a bill that would NOT ONLY allow them to gamble foolishly again
with American Tax-Payer money - they wanted complete control of our Financial
System by being able OWN both stock brokerages and Insurance Companies too.
Then, once their cohorts completed the creation of what's called a "FIRE
Economy" (an economy based on Finance, Insurance & Real Estate) in America, they
would control everything.

Of course the Senators bowed to their masters and Gramm-Leach-Bliley was passed
with a super-majority that was veto-proof. If it had not been passed, NOT ONE
BANK would have needed bailout money because they would have been prohibited
from investing in the Commercial Mortgage Backed Securities Market.

Some people say we should let "The Market" regulate itself. Are the Banksters
worthy of the trust that was given to them under this law? Here's an example:
Citibank is on trial right now.
While they were selling over $500 MILLION dollars worth of those
toxic mortgage securities to the 99% as a good investment, they were betting the
securities would fail by "Short-Selling" at the same time. In other words, while
they sold your parents these securities for their retirement, they made a bet
the securities would fail - and earned over $140M dollars by doing so. Citibank
is currently offering to pay back about half the money they defrauded out of
regular people as long as no one from the bank goes to jail or even loses their
job. Guess what? The government is going for it. Why? Because the 1% doesn't
have to pay for their crimes. We do. In this case, WE'RE paying their $285M fee
with the bailout money they were given. And people wonder why we're mad."

That's just a small part of the REAL message of OWS. it's a little bit different
than what the SpinDoctors of the MSM and Right Wing media talk about or allow
you to see, isn't it?

The Whole World is watching and listening to our message. Foreign stations give more accurate coverage than FOX - who still spews BS about wanting Socialism and anarchy.

Here is an example of the more accurate foreign coverage of our message:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZweJI66e1U]Occupy Wall Street Exposes Enormous Corruption Between Government and Corporations - YouTube[/ame]

 

[WillowTree]

I guess a lot of people here just believe what the MSM and Right Wing E-media
tell them. This would be the only explanation for some of the posts I've seen.
So I thought I'd help! Here is a C&P from a great OWS site. It will give you
guys a better idea of why you should support us! Here ya go:

"1. We don't want to End Capitalism, We Want to End Corporatacracy.

First, let's make it clear, This is a political movement, not an economic
revolt. We want to end the control of our government by Multi-National
Corporations. This is Issue Number One for everyone I've spoken to in Occupy
Wall Street.

Not one Occupier I know of, wants to turn us into the former Soviet Union (although just like the TP, every movement has it's fringe and the MSM loves to find them). We
don't want to end the economic system which allows people to buy the goods of
their choice. But we do want to end a corrupt political system which allows
Multi-National Corporations to buy the politicians of their choice. So the
single most important theme is Taking control of our government away from
Corporations and putting it back into the hands of We the People.

2. We won't tolerate a government that rewards corporate incompetence, greed and
fraud. No More Bank Bailouts.

The banks bought our government and then, after they lined their pockets with
the wealth of our nation, they blackmailed the government into giving them even
MORE money "In order to keep the economy from collapsing". Right. Then, instead
of making or refinancing home loans, Bank of America, Chase, Wells Fargo and
others spent our money on business mergers & acquisitions to benefit the 1%. Oh,
and of course, they paid themselves million dollar bonuses with our money.

We want to set a deadline for payback of existing bailouts. Any company that has
not fully repaid all monies by the deadline, should be broken up so that they
are no longer "too big to fail".

3. We want the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act repealed immediately.
For those of you unfamiliar with it: After the Great Depression, congress passed
the Glass-Steagal act to make sure that banks would never take stupid risks or
use corrupt practices to send the country into another Depression. Then 60 years
later, the banks and companies that bought and paid for Republican Senators Bill
Gramm, Jim Leach and Tom Bliley told them that Glass-Steagal was interfering
with their ability to swindle the American Public. Their masters told these
senators to pass a bill that would NOT ONLY allow them to gamble foolishly again
with American Tax-Payer money - they wanted complete control of our Financial
System by being able OWN both stock brokerages and Insurance Companies too.
Then, once their cohorts completed the creation of what's called a "FIRE
Economy" (an economy based on Finance, Insurance & Real Estate) in America, they
would control everything.

Of course the Senators bowed to their masters and Gramm-Leach-Bliley was passed
with a super-majority that was veto-proof. If it had not been passed, NOT ONE
BANK would have needed bailout money because they would have been prohibited
from investing in the Commercial Mortgage Backed Securities Market.

Some people say we should let "The Market" regulate itself. Are the Banksters
worthy of the trust that was given to them under this law? Here's an example:
Citibank is on trial right now.
While they were selling over $500 MILLION dollars worth of those
toxic mortgage securities to the 99% as a good investment, they were betting the
securities would fail by "Short-Selling" at the same time. In other words, while
they sold your parents these securities for their retirement, they made a bet
the securities would fail - and earned over $140M dollars by doing so. Citibank
is currently offering to pay back about half the money they defrauded out of
regular people as long as no one from the bank goes to jail or even loses their
job. Guess what? The government is going for it. Why? Because the 1% doesn't
have to pay for their crimes. We do. In this case, WE'RE paying their $285M fee
with the bailout money they were given. And people wonder why we're mad."

That's just a small part of the REAL message of OWS. it's a little bit different
than what the SpinDoctors of the MSM and Right Wing media talk about or allow
you to see, isn't it?

The Whole World is watching and listening to our message. Foreign stations give more accurate coverage than FOX - who still spews BS about wanting Socialism and anarchy.

Here is an example of the more accurate foreign coverage of our message:

Occupy Wall Street Exposes Enormous Corruption Between Government and Corporations - YouTube

why didn't you mention unions and their ability to buy demoncrat politicians? inquiring minds wanna know.

 

[WillowTree]

tell us what you demand of fannie and freddiy? they owe us 187 billion dollars and they want more at the same time they want their ceo's to get millions in bonus money.. why don't you tell us about them?

 

[California Girl]

I don't waste time reading bullshit that starts with "I guess".... don't fucking 'guess', educate yourself and understand. You make a mockery of your username... but we are used to that with certain other idiotic lying hacks who pretend that the truth matters.

Fucking idiot.

 

[Avatar4321]

I tend to believe people when they say they want to overthrow the government and have no problem being violent to do so. It's safer that way.

 

[Jackson]

I guess a lot of people here just believe what the MSM and Right Wing E-media
tell them. This would be the only explanation for some of the posts I've seen.
So I thought I'd help! Here is a C&P from a great OWS site. It will give you
guys a better idea of why you should support us! Here ya go:

"1. We don't want to End Capitalism, We Want to End Corporatacracy.

First, let's make it clear, This is a political movement, not an economic
revolt. We want to end the control of our government by Multi-National
Corporations. This is Issue Number One for everyone I've spoken to in Occupy
Wall Street.

Not one Occupier I know of, wants to turn us into the former Soviet Union (although just like the TP, every movement has it's fringe and the MSM loves to find them). We
don't want to end the economic system which allows people to buy the goods of
their choice. But we do want to end a corrupt political system which allows
Multi-National Corporations to buy the politicians of their choice. So the
single most important theme is Taking control of our government away from
Corporations and putting it back into the hands of We the People.

2. We won't tolerate a government that rewards corporate incompetence, greed and
fraud. No More Bank Bailouts.

The banks bought our government and then, after they lined their pockets with
the wealth of our nation, they blackmailed the government into giving them even
MORE money "In order to keep the economy from collapsing". Right. Then, instead
of making or refinancing home loans, Bank of America, Chase, Wells Fargo and
others spent our money on business mergers & acquisitions to benefit the 1%. Oh,
and of course, they paid themselves million dollar bonuses with our money.

We want to set a deadline for payback of existing bailouts. Any company that has
not fully repaid all monies by the deadline, should be broken up so that they
are no longer "too big to fail".

3. We want the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act repealed immediately.
For those of you unfamiliar with it: After the Great Depression, congress passed
the Glass-Steagal act to make sure that banks would never take stupid risks or
use corrupt practices to send the country into another Depression. Then 60 years
later, the banks and companies that bought and paid for Republican Senators Bill
Gramm, Jim Leach and Tom Bliley told them that Glass-Steagal was interfering
with their ability to swindle the American Public. Their masters told these
senators to pass a bill that would NOT ONLY allow them to gamble foolishly again
with American Tax-Payer money - they wanted complete control of our Financial
System by being able OWN both stock brokerages and Insurance Companies too.
Then, once their cohorts completed the creation of what's called a "FIRE
Economy" (an economy based on Finance, Insurance & Real Estate) in America, they
would control everything.

Of course the Senators bowed to their masters and Gramm-Leach-Bliley was passed
with a super-majority that was veto-proof. If it had not been passed, NOT ONE
BANK would have needed bailout money because they would have been prohibited
from investing in the Commercial Mortgage Backed Securities Market.

Some people say we should let "The Market" regulate itself. Are the Banksters
worthy of the trust that was given to them under this law? Here's an example:
Citibank is on trial right now.
While they were selling over $500 MILLION dollars worth of those
toxic mortgage securities to the 99% as a good investment, they were betting the
securities would fail by "Short-Selling" at the same time. In other words, while
they sold your parents these securities for their retirement, they made a bet
the securities would fail - and earned over $140M dollars by doing so. Citibank
is currently offering to pay back about half the money they defrauded out of
regular people as long as no one from the bank goes to jail or even loses their
job. Guess what? The government is going for it. Why? Because the 1% doesn't
have to pay for their crimes. We do. In this case, WE'RE paying their $285M fee
with the bailout money they were given. And people wonder why we're mad."

That's just a small part of the REAL message of OWS. it's a little bit different
than what the SpinDoctors of the MSM and Right Wing media talk about or allow
you to see, isn't it?

The Whole World is watching and listening to our message. Foreign stations give more accurate coverage than FOX - who still spews BS about wanting Socialism and anarchy.

Here is an example of the more accurate foreign coverage of our message:

Occupy Wall Street Exposes Enormous Corruption Between Government and Corporations - YouTube

Now, let someone go and ask those Occupiers what they stand for and see how many mention anything you said, lol. We'll wait until they're sober.

 

[Dragon]

I don't waste time reading bullshit that starts with "I guess".... don't fucking 'guess', educate yourself and understand..

You might want to try educating your own self about the standard usages of the English language, which includes expressing uncertainty when uncertainty exists, as it MUST about the reasons why someone holds a particular opinion. Thus, one should properly say "I guess a lot of people here just believe what the MSM and Right Wing E-media tell them," rather than "A lot of people here just believe what the MSM and Right Wing E-media tell them." The first is a valid statement based on the poster's knowledge, the second is not.

Here is another valid statement based on the poster's knowledge: "To use a quirk of language usage as an excuse to dismiss an entire line of reasoning is a cheap shot and a sign that the person doing so is not to be taken seriously."

 

[WillowTree]

"I guess" my questions won't be answered. "I guess."

 

[IndependntLogic]

I don't waste time reading bullshit that starts with "I guess".... don't fucking 'guess', educate yourself and understand. You make a mockery of your username... but we are used to that with certain other idiotic lying hacks who pretend that the truth matters.

Fucking idiot.

Ahh. You display as much class as ever. And the same level of intellect too! Well, you're amusing anyway.
Okay, here's something I don't have to guess about. You're willfully ignorant. You're a mindless brain-controlled drone who is such a coward, you can't ever acknowledge any view which contradicts those fed to that little brain of yours, by your Thought-Masters. You're weak and stupid and easily led - which is what The Machines - both Left & Right, count on when they look for sheeple to blindly follow them.
Oh, and yes you started reading the thread but stopped the moment you got to "We don't want to end capitlaism" because it went against what you have been programmed to believe.
There. I didn't guess. Feel better sweetie? Good!

 

[Dragon]

"I guess" my questions won't be answered. "I guess."

Unions buying Democratic politicians wasn't mentioned because Democrats, like Republicans, are bought by corporations, not unions.

Fannie and Freddy are trivial compared to the corruption of our elected and supposedly democratic government by corporate money.

There. Happy now?

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

I don't waste time reading bullshit that starts with "I guess".... don't fucking 'guess', educate yourself and understand. You make a mockery of your username... but we are used to that with certain other idiotic lying hacks who pretend that the truth matters.

Fucking idiot.

Ahh. You display as much class as ever. And the same level of intellect too! Well, you're amusing anyway.
Okay, here's something I don't have to guess about. You're willfully ignorant. You're a mindless brain-controlled drone who is such a coward, you can't ever acknowledge any view which contradicts those fed to that little brain of yours, by your Thought-Masters. You're weak and stupid and easily led - which is what The Machines - both Left & Right, count on when they look for sheeple to blindly follow them.
Oh, and yes you started reading the thread but stopped the moment you got to "We don't want to end capitlaism" because it went against what you have been programmed to believe.
There. I didn't guess. Feel better sweetie? Good!

You should go back and read your opening post before you call anybody ignorant.

 

[Zoom-boing]

Thanks for posting this. You're right the messages in the OP are rarely reported on.

I understand the anger directed at the "1%"/corp greed group. But why no mention of "union greed"? Do they not do the same as the "1%" . . . they scratch gov'ts back while gov'ts scratches theirs?

And while it's wrong for corps/unions to buy government . . . . I find it more appalling that government takes the bribe. Corporations/unions don't work for the people, the government does. So where's the anger at those who are suppose to be looking out for us? I'm not seeing that coming out of OWS . . . perhaps I missed it.

 

[WillowTree]

"I guess" my questions won't be answered. "I guess."

Unions buying Democratic politicians wasn't mentioned because Democrats, like Republicans, are bought by corporations, not unions.

Fannie and Freddy are trivial compared to the corruption of our elected and supposedly democratic government by corporate money.

There. Happy now?

says ewe no I'm not happy..

 

[IndependntLogic]

tell us what you demand of fannie and freddiy? they owe us 187 billion dollars and they want more at the same time they want their ceo's to get millions in bonus money.. why don't you tell us about them?

I hope you don't mind that I shrunk your letters a bit.

1. Fannie and Freddie should be ended. No bailouts, no govt funding. Is that direct enough for you?
2. Unions? Valid point. From the same site but on a different subject (Access to elected officials & Citizens United):

"Access to our Representatives vs. Lobbyists & SIG getting it all. For every hour a Congressman or Senator spends with a regular citizen who has expressed a legitimate concern, they spend over 100 with a Lobbyist, Union Leader or CEO. This is not a government that represents We The People. It is a Corporatacracy."

and

"We want legislation introduced immediately and without any pork whatsoever, that would neutralize the ability of foreigners and Major Corporations to buy elections. This would apply to ALL outside influence, including environmental groups, unions, and Democratic PACs. We are not about "one side" or the other, we are about The People of the United States."

So I give you credit. Rather than engage in the petty name calling is all that the lowest bottom-feeders have to offer, you at least brought up a counter-issue.
Now. I have directly answered everything you have brought up. Do you have the ability to directly address ANY of the issues brought up in the OP? Or is changing the subject, dodging etc... all that The Right has to offer? I have enough Conservative friends to know that certainly SOMEONE has an intelligent comment to make. And I will be refreshingly surprised if a Conservative comes forth with the character to say "I agree with this point." Not holding my breath with "internet people" but who knows?
So, direct reponses to any of MY points in the OP? Yes? No?

 

[IndependntLogic]

I don't waste time reading bullshit that starts with "I guess".... don't fucking 'guess', educate yourself and understand. You make a mockery of your username... but we are used to that with certain other idiotic lying hacks who pretend that the truth matters.

Fucking idiot.

Ahh. You display as much class as ever. And the same level of intellect too! Well, you're amusing anyway.
Okay, here's something I don't have to guess about. You're willfully ignorant. You're a mindless brain-controlled drone who is such a coward, you can't ever acknowledge any view which contradicts those fed to that little brain of yours, by your Thought-Masters. You're weak and stupid and easily led - which is what The Machines - both Left & Right, count on when they look for sheeple to blindly follow them.
Oh, and yes you started reading the thread but stopped the moment you got to "We don't want to end capitlaism" because it went against what you have been programmed to believe.
There. I didn't guess. Feel better sweetie? Good!

You should go back and read your opening post before you call anybody ignorant.

NOLA! The man too scared to ever directly address a topic! How are you little guy? See you're still avoiding actuall issues like the plague, eh? That's fine. Just stick with the petty insults. Seriously. It's all you and the Trailer Park Queen from California have to offer. But fun to see you're consistent, anyway!

 

[Caroljo]

I don't waste time reading bullshit that starts with "I guess".... don't fucking 'guess', educate yourself and understand. You make a mockery of your username... but we are used to that with certain other idiotic lying hacks who pretend that the truth matters.

Fucking idiot.

Ahh. You display as much class as ever. And the same level of intellect too! Well, you're amusing anyway.
Okay, here's something I don't have to guess about. You're willfully ignorant. You're a mindless brain-controlled drone who is such a coward, you can't ever acknowledge any view which contradicts those fed to that little brain of yours, by your Thought-Masters. You're weak and stupid and easily led - which is what The Machines - both Left & Right, count on when they look for sheeple to blindly follow them.
Oh, and yes you started reading the thread but stopped the moment you got to "We don't want to end capitlaism" because it went against what you have been programmed to believe.
There. I didn't guess. Feel better sweetie? Good!

Wow you're an ignorant ass!
Ya know...i don't believe a word you said in the OP. Because, if these assholes out there protesting cared ONE BIT about others, they would stop the protests right now! They keep saying the people that are causing trouble are "infiltrators". Well then, stop the protests, all you nice people go home, and the police and weed out the trouble makers. Guess what??? It isn't going to happen because this is what they want! If they were serious about these protests, they would want the whacko's gone and away from them. Whatever happens, they're ALL to blame. I don't believe they want anything but anarchy....and pretty soon people are going to be so sick and tired of it all that they're going to fight back.

 

[LadyGunSlinger]

You don't sound like an independent to me.. You sound like a dopey liberal. Why do you leftists think anyone falls for your "Independent, Moderate mantra?"

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Why isn't the occupation aiming toward the root of the problem? Where was everyone when the banks were being bailed out? Instead of throwing chairs through doors at private businesses, why not become educated on what the causes of the problems are instead of relying on emotion to solve the problem.

 

[Avatar4321]

Why isn't the occupation aiming toward the root of the problem? Where was everyone when the banks were being bailed out? Instead of throwing chairs through doors at private businesses, why not become educated on what the causes of the problems are instead of relying on emotion to solve the problem.

Because they are symptoms of the problem.

 

[IndependntLogic]

Thanks for posting this. You're right the messages in the OP are rarely reported on.

I understand the anger directed at the "1%"/corp greed group. But why no mention of "union greed"? Do they not do the same as the "1%" . . . they scratch gov'ts back while gov'ts scratches theirs?

And while it's wrong for corps/unions to buy government . . . . I find it more appalling that government takes the bribe. Corporations/unions don't work for the people, the government does. So where's the anger at those who are suppose to be looking out for us? I'm not seeing that coming out of OWS . . . perhaps I missed it.

Wow! An intelligent reply that addresses the subject! Kudos! if you look at the Vid, you'll see it. Additionally, it's on the site. But the main point is, trying to just change the government won't work because the politicians are only lapdogs to those who get them elected. However, they ARE going after government representation and seats, soon. Next phase.
And see my reply to Willow, regarding unions. We want ALL special interests out of elections and specify Unions, the ACLU, Sierra Club or whatever as needing to take their case to The People, not the campaign trail from now on. We DO believe they should get time with Congress - just like CEO's should. But for every hour spent with a CEO or Union Leader, we want one spent with a citizen who has a legitimate concern.