For those who care for the truth about the Patriot Act enforcement

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    Judicial Review Present In "Sneak And Peak" Searches. SEN. JOHN CORNYN (R-TX): "So, Mr. Ashcroft, sitting in his office in the Department of Justice, doesn't decide to issue sort of sneak-and-peak search warrants without some independent judicial officer, some judge who has been confirmed by the United States Senate after nomination by the President, has had a chance to review it and determine that good cause exists for issuance of a delayed notification, is that correct, sir?" MR. PATRICK FITZGERALD, UNITED STATES ATTORNEY, NORTHERN DISTRICT OF ILLINOIS: "That's exactly right." (Committee On The Judiciary, U.S. Senate, Hearing, 10/21/03)


    Records Requests Are Reviewed By Judge. SEN. JOHN CORNYN (R-TX): "And likewise, under Section 215, which authorizes searches for business records and other items under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, Mr. McNulty, isn't it the case that indeed before those searches take place that Article 3 judges on the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court in fact have to review the application and approve it?" PAUL MCNULTY, UNITED STATES ATTORNEY, EASTERN DISTRICT OF VIRGINIA: "That's right." (Committee On The Judiciary, U.S. Senate, Hearing, 10/21/03)


    Justice Department Has Not Used PATRIOT Act Powers To Demand Records From Libraries. "After months of increasingly noisy protests, fears of Big Brother run amok and government warnings about needless 'hysteria,' the Justice Department gave its first public accounting today of how many times it had used its newfound counter terrorism powers to demand records from libraries and elsewhere. The answer is zero." (Eric Lichtblau, "U.S. Says It Has Not Used New Library Records Law," The New York Times, 9/19/03)


    Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) Says ACLU Has No Instances Of Actual Abuse By PATRIOT Act. "I have never had a single abuse of the Patriot Act reported to me. My staff e-mailed the ACLU and asked them for instances of actual abuses. They e-mailed back and said they had none." (Sen. Dianne Feinstein [D-CA], Hearing Of The Senate Committee On The Judiciary, 10/21/03)


    Sen. Joe Biden (D-DE) Noted During Debate On PATRIOT Act, "The FBI Could Get A Wiretap To Investigate The Mafia, But They Could Not Get One To Investigate Terrorists. To Put It Bluntly, That Was Crazy! What's Good For The Mob Should Be Good For Terrorists." (Sen. Joe Biden, Congressional Record, 10/25/01, p.S11048)
     
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    I don't think the issue is that they HAVE abused, so far it seems that it hasn't happened. I think the issue SHOULD be the potentiality is there.
     
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    But as it is with every single law...this being no different. Abuse of law comes from both sides...the enforcers too. I still don't think the Patriot Act is as wide open for abuse as some claim. There are controls put into place.
     
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    And the Nazis made sure the trains ran on time.
     
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    Anyone remember the FBI under the direction of Hoover ?
     
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    Is this what happens when you are soundly beaten in a debate? All your prior crap about the patriot act has been proven to be your paranoid delusions. Now you have to yet again make references to the nazi's when you've been made to look foolish.

    The nazi comment didn't help, you still look foolish.
     
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    Oh, good comeback. I'm now so convinced of the error of my ways because you brought up Nazi's.

    I genuflect at the alter of your intelligence.
     
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    Ooh...Oww...Sarcasm.

    Remember George Santayana...

    "Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it."
     
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    And here's one fitting for you:

    FEAR:
    F--FALSE
    E--EVIDENCE
    A--APPEARING
    R--REAL

    -Veer Sharma
     
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    Sarcasm is about as convincing as the tripe you are spouting. The fact that Nazi's existed is not relevant to this country. You can't give one sound argument against the patriot act so you toss in the word Nazi in hopes that ignorant people will hear the word and just automatically associate the ill-will from it to the patriot act. You've yet to make a rational argument- all you say is that you fear that certain people will go too far.

    Well, people go too far everyday with ordinary laws. So put them in jail. Don't sit there and spout off lies and throw accusations at people who believe in the law just because there are law breakers out there. The patriot act, as a law, clearly dictates under what conditions certain LEGAL activities can be taken by enforcement agencies. It also provides for checks and balances.

    So stop trying to paint people who wrote, advocated for, and believe in the law as Nazis or anti-freedom or whatever little derogatory term you've used. Those with a brain won't fall for it.
     

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