For the Stupid people on the LeFT. The difference between Fast and Furious and WR.

[Lovebears65]

The Difference Between Bush’s ‘Wide Receiver’ and Obama’s ‘Fast and Furious’ | The Lonely Conservative

The key differences are that Operation Wide Receiver tracked the firearms that were “walked” into Mexico, and the operation was carried out in conjunction with Mexican authorities. With Operation Fast and Furious, on the other hand, there was no effort made to track the weapons once they “walked” across the border, and the US government never informed the Mexicans of the operation. At a hearing this week, Senator Jon Cornyn (R) made the distinction perfectly clear.

You see with WR. The program is the guns were tagged and the Mexican Government knew about the program .. With FnF the guns were NOT tagged and the Mexican Government DID NOT KNOW about the program..

 

[Truthmatters]

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[Jackson]

And the bigger problem is that the administration is not admitting the was errors in the handling of the sting. That's all they had to do in the beginning. But they could not take the blame for anything and that that has led to months of stone walling, then lies...and finally an executive privilege obviously designed to mask the coverup when all was needed was the early admission to a failure in the the sting.

As history replays itself to the Nixon years...presidents just don't learn. The more narcistic they are, the harder they fall.

We'll see this end in court. It is not politics...it now has hit the legal realm.

 

[Tsalagi]

The Difference Between Bush’s ‘Wide Receiver’ and Obama’s ‘Fast and Furious’ | The Lonely Conservative

The key differences are that Operation Wide Receiver tracked the firearms that were “walked” into Mexico, and the operation was carried out in conjunction with Mexican authorities. With Operation Fast and Furious, on the other hand, there was no effort made to track the weapons once they “walked” across the border, and the US government never informed the Mexicans of the operation. At a hearing this week, Senator Jon Cornyn (R) made the distinction perfectly clear.

You see with WR. The program is the guns were tagged and the Mexican Government knew about the program .. With FnF the guns were NOT tagged and the Mexican Government DID NOT KNOW about the program..

There is no difference! The weapons were used in the drug war and were used to kill folks! Same with Iran/Contra!

 

[bodecea]

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[CrusaderFrank]

Facts make Liberals look like idiots.

I've seen this so many times before

 

[Lovebears65]

She was watching the hearings.. Who cares if she was a blogger. DID YOU MISS this

At a hearing this week, Senator Jon Cornyn (R) made the distinction perfectly clear.

plus WR stopped in 2007 LONG before Fast and Furious because it was a bad idea.. Fast and Furious stopped because Brian Terry is dead!!!

 

[BreezeWood]

The Difference Between Bush’s ‘Wide Receiver’ and Obama’s ‘Fast and Furious’ | The Lonely Conservative

The key differences are that Operation Wide Receiver tracked the firearms that were “walked” into Mexico, and the operation was carried out in conjunction with Mexican authorities. With Operation Fast and Furious, on the other hand, there was no effort made to track the weapons once they “walked” across the border, and the US government never informed the Mexicans of the operation. At a hearing this week, Senator Jon Cornyn (R) made the distinction perfectly clear.

You see with WR. The program is the guns were tagged and the Mexican Government knew about the program .. With FnF the guns were NOT tagged and the Mexican Government DID NOT KNOW about the program..

and the Mexican Government knew about the program

that's probably the reason for WRs failure and why they changed their tactic and called it F&F ....

 

[g5000]

The Difference Between Bush’s ‘Wide Receiver’ and Obama’s ‘Fast and Furious’ | The Lonely Conservative

The key differences are that Operation Wide Receiver tracked the firearms that were “walked” into Mexico, and the operation was carried out in conjunction with Mexican authorities. With Operation Fast and Furious, on the other hand, there was no effort made to track the weapons once they “walked” across the border, and the US government never informed the Mexicans of the operation. At a hearing this week, Senator Jon Cornyn (R) made the distinction perfectly clear.

You see with WR. The program is the guns were tagged and the Mexican Government knew about the program .. With FnF the guns were NOT tagged and the Mexican Government DID NOT KNOW about the program..

And yet the guns were lost in Operation Wide Receiver, too. They stayed and remain in the smuggler's hands. Who knows how many crimes they have been used in since then?

 

[Plasmaball]

She was watching the hearings.. Who cares if she was a blogger. DID YOU MISS this

At a hearing this week, Senator Jon Cornyn (R) made the distinction perfectly clear.

plus WR stopped in 2007 LONG before Fast and Furious because it was a bad idea.. Fast and Furious stopped because Brian Terry is dead!!!

There is zero difference between you and this blogger. You both post your opinion as fact.blogs are not sources, they can be stepping stones but not sources.

Of course when I used a blog on here this is what I was told by people.
hey look I made it about myself, I feel like California girl...

I need a shower

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Bush never implemented the program, Obama did

See the difference?

 

[edthecynic]

The Difference Between Bush’s ‘Wide Receiver’ and Obama’s ‘Fast and Furious’ | The Lonely Conservative

The key differences are that Operation Wide Receiver tracked the firearms that were “walked” into Mexico, and the operation was carried out in conjunction with Mexican authorities. With Operation Fast and Furious, on the other hand, there was no effort made to track the weapons once they “walked” across the border, and the US government never informed the Mexicans of the operation. At a hearing this week, Senator Jon Cornyn (R) made the distinction perfectly clear.

You see with WR. The program is the guns were tagged and the Mexican Government knew about the program .. With FnF the guns were NOT tagged and the Mexican Government DID NOT KNOW about the program..

No difference, they were both Project Gunrunner. There were no tags on the Wide Receiver guns, Bush just lied about putting tags on the guns blaming the Mexicans for removing them.

 

[edthecynic]

She was watching the hearings.. Who cares if she was a blogger. DID YOU MISS this

At a hearing this week, Senator Jon Cornyn (R) made the distinction perfectly clear.

plus WR stopped in 2007 LONG before Fast and Furious because it was a bad idea.. Fast and Furious stopped because Brian Terry is dead!!!

Project Gunrunner ran continuously from 2006 to 2011.

 

[g5000]

The first known ATF "gunwalking" operation to Mexican drug cartels, named Operation Wide Receiver, began in early 2006 and ran into late 2007. Licensed dealer Mike Detty informed the ATF of a suspicious gun purchase that took place in February 2006 in Tucson, Arizona. In March he was hired as a confidential informant working with the ATF's Tucson office, part of their Phoenix, Arizona field division.[23] With the use of surveillance equipment, ATF agents monitored additional sales by Detty to straw purchasers. With assurance from ATF "that Mexican officials would be conducting surveillance or interdictions when guns got to the other side of the border",[24] Detty would sell a total of about 450 guns during the operation.[22] These included AR-15s, semi-automatic AK-pattern rifles, and Colt .38s. The vast majority of the guns were eventually lost as they moved into Mexico.

ATF gunwalking scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In the emails that the department turned over to congressional investigators, Justice Department officials last October discussed both the Fast and Furious gun-trafficking surveillance operation in Phoenix and a separate investigation from 2006 and 2007 called Operation Wide Receiver. In Wide Receiver, which took place in Tucson, firearms also were acquired by illegal straw purchasers and lost in Mexico, the emails say.

Emails show top Justice Department officials knew of ATF Mexico gun program - Los Angeles Times

Over the next 19 months, Detty sold a series of suspected traffickers some 450 rifles and handguns—AR-15s, knockoff AK-47s, Colt .38s—all under the aegis of the ATF investigation. Hundreds of hours of conversations were taped. The guns were tracked, court filings show, and U.S. agents had fleeting contacts with Mexican police. But the investigation did not achieve its ambitious goals. The vast majority of the guns were never recovered by U.S. authorities. No kingpins were apprehended, no cartel taken down. Mexico’s drug war raged on.

Detty now accuses the ATF of misleading him about whether the guns he sold would be recovered. He also complains that the government shortchanged him on reward money. The Justice Dept. has admitted in federal court filings in Tucson that at least two of its prosecutors in Arizona had in 2007 and 2008 questioned the wisdom of ATF’s work with Detty, which was part of an investigation called Operation Wide Receiver. But no one tried to stop it.

The Guns That Got Away - Businessweek

 

[g5000]

Bush never implemented the program, Obama did

See the difference?

Bush did implement the program. Operation Wide Receiver was on his watch, and 450 guns were sold to smugglers and never recovered. They got clean away.

God only knows what sort of crimes the drug dealers have used them for since then.

 

[Annie]

The Difference Between Bush’s ‘Wide Receiver’ and Obama’s ‘Fast and Furious’ | The Lonely Conservative

The key differences are that Operation Wide Receiver tracked the firearms that were “walked” into Mexico, and the operation was carried out in conjunction with Mexican authorities. With Operation Fast and Furious, on the other hand, there was no effort made to track the weapons once they “walked” across the border, and the US government never informed the Mexicans of the operation. At a hearing this week, Senator Jon Cornyn (R) made the distinction perfectly clear.

You see with WR. The program is the guns were tagged and the Mexican Government knew about the program .. With FnF the guns were NOT tagged and the Mexican Government DID NOT KNOW about the program..

Another difference, Wide Receiver really was an attempt at a sting operation aimed at the cartels.

Fast & Furious? Documents: ATF used "Fast and Furious" to make the case for gun regulations - CBS News Investigates - CBS News

Documents: ATF used "Fast and Furious" to make the case for gun regulations
December 7, 2011 1:44 PM
By
Sharyl Attkisson


Documents obtained by CBS News show that the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) discussed using their covert operation "Fast and Furious" to argue for controversial new rules about gun sales.


In Fast and Furious, ATF secretly encouraged gun dealers to sell to suspected traffickers for Mexican drug cartels to go after the "big fish." But ATF whistleblowers told CBS News and Congress it was a dangerous practice called "gunwalking," and it put thousands of weapons on the street. Many were used in violent crimes in Mexico. Two were found at the murder scene of a U.S. Border Patrol agent.

ATF officials didn't intend to publicly disclose their own role in letting Mexican cartels obtain the weapons, but emails show they discussed using the sales, including sales encouraged by ATF, to justify a new gun regulation called "Demand Letter 3". That would require some U.S. gun shops to report the sale of multiple rifles or "long guns." Demand Letter 3 was so named because it would be the third ATF program demanding gun dealers report tracing information.

On July 14, 2010 after ATF headquarters in Washington D.C. received an update on Fast and Furious, ATF Field Ops Assistant Director Mark Chait emailed Bill Newell, ATF's Phoenix Special Agent in Charge of Fast and Furious:

"Bill - can you see if these guns were all purchased from the same (licensed gun dealer) and at one time. We are looking at anecdotal cases to support a demand letter on long gun multiple sales. Thanks."

...

Those claiming that the accusation that this debacle was an attempt towards further gun control is some sort of 'folly', are either ignorant of what has already been discovered or truly amoral.

 

[g5000]

So...is Wide Receiver worse than Watergate, or what? Bush placed guns into the hands of Mexican drug dealers. I'm sure they weren't used for parades.

 

[007]

The Difference Between Bush’s ‘Wide Receiver’ and Obama’s ‘Fast and Furious’ | The Lonely Conservative

The key differences are that Operation Wide Receiver tracked the firearms that were “walked” into Mexico, and the operation was carried out in conjunction with Mexican authorities. With Operation Fast and Furious, on the other hand, there was no effort made to track the weapons once they “walked” across the border, and the US government never informed the Mexicans of the operation. At a hearing this week, Senator Jon Cornyn (R) made the distinction perfectly clear.

You see with WR. The program is the guns were tagged and the Mexican Government knew about the program .. With FnF the guns were NOT tagged and the Mexican Government DID NOT KNOW about the program..

Makes no difference to leftist hacks. None of them have any honor or morals. They want their socialism, freebies and handouts, and they'll lie, cheat and steal to prop up their little king/god.

 

[Ravi]

The Difference Between Bush’s ‘Wide Receiver’ and Obama’s ‘Fast and Furious’ | The Lonely Conservative

The key differences are that Operation Wide Receiver tracked the firearms that were “walked” into Mexico, and the operation was carried out in conjunction with Mexican authorities. With Operation Fast and Furious, on the other hand, there was no effort made to track the weapons once they “walked” across the border, and the US government never informed the Mexicans of the operation. At a hearing this week, Senator Jon Cornyn (R) made the distinction perfectly clear.

You see with WR. The program is the guns were tagged and the Mexican Government knew about the program .. With FnF the guns were NOT tagged and the Mexican Government DID NOT KNOW about the program..

Another difference, Wide Receiver really was an attempt at a sting operation aimed at the cartels.

Fast & Furious? Documents: ATF used "Fast and Furious" to make the case for gun regulations - CBS News Investigates - CBS News

Documents: ATF used "Fast and Furious" to make the case for gun regulations
December 7, 2011 1:44 PM
By
Sharyl Attkisson


Documents obtained by CBS News show that the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) discussed using their covert operation "Fast and Furious" to argue for controversial new rules about gun sales.


In Fast and Furious, ATF secretly encouraged gun dealers to sell to suspected traffickers for Mexican drug cartels to go after the "big fish." But ATF whistleblowers told CBS News and Congress it was a dangerous practice called "gunwalking," and it put thousands of weapons on the street. Many were used in violent crimes in Mexico. Two were found at the murder scene of a U.S. Border Patrol agent.

ATF officials didn't intend to publicly disclose their own role in letting Mexican cartels obtain the weapons, but emails show they discussed using the sales, including sales encouraged by ATF, to justify a new gun regulation called "Demand Letter 3". That would require some U.S. gun shops to report the sale of multiple rifles or "long guns." Demand Letter 3 was so named because it would be the third ATF program demanding gun dealers report tracing information.

On July 14, 2010 after ATF headquarters in Washington D.C. received an update on Fast and Furious, ATF Field Ops Assistant Director Mark Chait emailed Bill Newell, ATF's Phoenix Special Agent in Charge of Fast and Furious:

"Bill - can you see if these guns were all purchased from the same (licensed gun dealer) and at one time. We are looking at anecdotal cases to support a demand letter on long gun multiple sales. Thanks."

...

Those claiming that the accusation that this debacle was an attempt towards further gun control is some sort of 'folly', are either ignorant of what has already been discovered or truly amoral.

So on the one hand, people are upset that guns are getting into Mexico while on the other hand they don't want multiple gun sales to be reported to stop guns from getting into Mexico.

Brilliant.

 

[asaratis]

The Difference Between Bush’s ‘Wide Receiver’ and Obama’s ‘Fast and Furious’ | The Lonely Conservative

The key differences are that Operation Wide Receiver tracked the firearms that were “walked” into Mexico, and the operation was carried out in conjunction with Mexican authorities. With Operation Fast and Furious, on the other hand, there was no effort made to track the weapons once they “walked” across the border, and the US government never informed the Mexicans of the operation. At a hearing this week, Senator Jon Cornyn (R) made the distinction perfectly clear.

You see with WR. The program is the guns were tagged and the Mexican Government knew about the program .. With FnF the guns were NOT tagged and the Mexican Government DID NOT KNOW about the program..

There is no difference! The weapons were used in the drug war and were used to kill folks! Same with Iran/Contra!

There is much difference.

OWR was an attempt to coordinate with the Mexican government to locate and arrest key players in the drug cartels.

FaF was a clandestine attempt to gain sympathy for the supposed need for more gun control in the US.

The MOTIVES were different. The MOTIVE for FaF is what is being hidden by the White House and their hand-picked hand puppet, Eric Holder.

OWR failed because the drug cartel figured out that the gun shipment included tracking devices and that they were being followed by drones. So they had the guns driven around in big circles in Mexico until the drones ran low of fuel and returned to base. The failure of OWR is no bad reflection on those that attempted it.

FnF failed after the death of an ATF caused other ATF agents to leak crucial info regarding the program and why it was instigated. The failure of FaF reflects badly on the lying sons of bitches that attempted it AND THE COVER UP THEREOF!

The Difference Between Bush’s ‘Wide Receiver’ and Obama’s ‘Fast and Furious’ | The Lonely Conservative

The key differences are that Operation Wide Receiver tracked the firearms that were “walked” into Mexico, and the operation was carried out in conjunction with Mexican authorities. With Operation Fast and Furious, on the other hand, there was no effort made to track the weapons once they “walked” across the border, and the US government never informed the Mexicans of the operation. At a hearing this week, Senator Jon Cornyn (R) made the distinction perfectly clear.

You see with WR. The program is the guns were tagged and the Mexican Government knew about the program .. With FnF the guns were NOT tagged and the Mexican Government DID NOT KNOW about the program..

and the Mexican Government knew about the program

that's probably the reason for WRs failure and why they changed their tactic and called it F&F ....

You are full of shit. Fast and Furious was instigated in 2009 TOTALLY under the Obama White House. It was not and extension of OWR and had little in common with it regarding motive. The motive in FaF was simply to gain sympathy for gun control. That FACT is what is being covered up by Obama's Executive Privilege.

You idiotic fucking liberals just cannot face the fucking truth about your boss.

Obama is a goddamned turd in a suit!