For the liberals

[teapartysamurai]

Yup.

So noted, BD.

All in all a good bid, given the economic and political mess he inherited.


I bitch about the things that I do not approve of done, thus far but that does not mean I think his admin thus far has been a failure.


Given a choice between Obama and Romney?

Well, it's a drop dead cinch that Romney will not be getting my vote.

Oh shocker!!!!!!!!!



Pssst! Libs. I hate to break it to you but many of those "accomplishments" that Obama claims are WHY PEOPLE ARE TRENDING TOWARDS ROMNEY.

They don't want many of the things Obama "accomplished" and hate many things Obama has BLOCKED like JOBS in the OIL Industry blocking pipelines and stopping the drilling for things like Coal and Natural Gas.



Especially in states like Ohio (My alma mater), It's not very popular to cut off power sources this state depends on for fuel AND jobs.

 

[Artevelde]

Why would any conservative bother to read the OP article? They don’t need facts, they have dogma; post #2 is proof of that.

Why would you debate: you already have a dogmatic idea about people who don't agree with you. Pretty narrow-minded.

 

[Sallow]

LOL, passing a bunch of worthless legislation that hasn't done a damn thing to help our economy, high unemployment, etc, is called achievements.

You're absolutely and utterly wrong.

UE has steadily gone done. The Stock Market has reached new highs. Manufacturing is coming back to this country. The rate at which women in the work force are paid at..is protected by law. US companies are seeing historic profit.

The problem with you guys..is that you started out wanting Obama to fail..and then never changed the mindset..despite the reality.

And what you want to put up in the white house..is a guy spouting the same sort of nonsense that got us to the brink of economic disaster.

That economic disaster would never had happened in the first place,had Dems not created Fannie and Freddie in the fist place. The private sector could have done a much better job at getting affordable housing for the poor.

Bullshit.

The CRA had nothing to do with the financial meltdown.

And it was the PRIVATE SECTOR who were responsible for sub primes. Fannie and Freddie weren't initally involved in those loans. It was predatory mortgage companies backed by firms like Goldman/Sachs who were asking for them in volume so they could bundle them into derivatives..that were responsible.

No one buys your bullshit anymore.

 

[Artevelde]

LOL, passing a bunch of worthless legislation that hasn't done a damn thing to help our economy, high unemployment, etc, is called achievements.

You're absolutely and utterly wrong.

UE has steadily gone done. The Stock Market has reached new highs. Manufacturing is coming back to this country. The rate at which women in the work force are paid at..is protected by law. US companies are seeing historic profit.

The problem with you guys..is that you started out wanting Obama to fail..and then never changed the mindset..despite the reality.

And what you want to put up in the white house..is a guy spouting the same sort of nonsense that got us to the brink of economic disaster.

Why do you lie about unemployment? It went up during Obama's presidency.

 

[Sallow]

As for the rest....I see:

Spend
Create new agencies
Create new regulations
Spend

**repeat**

Except, unlike Bush, Obama's "new agencies and regulations" were funded and actually helpful to those in the lower and middle classes.

Bush's new "regulations and agencies", like the change in overtime rules, prescription drug benefit and department of homeland security..were largely unfunded and favored the 1%.

Here we go with the "1%" BS!

You want a translation for that?

Bush helped people WHO WORKED FOR A LIVING.

Obama helps people who THINK THEY ARE ENTITLED TO WHAT OTHER PEOPLE WORK FOR.

And it's pretty much obvious, on display, and disgusting the average American voter, especially the independents.

Why do you think Romney is ahead of Obama with independents in every poll that tracks "likely voters?"

Sorry?

What do you consider work?

Ever met a CEO?

 

[Sallow]

LOL, passing a bunch of worthless legislation that hasn't done a damn thing to help our economy, high unemployment, etc, is called achievements.

You're absolutely and utterly wrong.

UE has steadily gone done. The Stock Market has reached new highs. Manufacturing is coming back to this country. The rate at which women in the work force are paid at..is protected by law. US companies are seeing historic profit.

The problem with you guys..is that you started out wanting Obama to fail..and then never changed the mindset..despite the reality.

And what you want to put up in the white house..is a guy spouting the same sort of nonsense that got us to the brink of economic disaster.

Why do you lie about unemployment? It went up during Obama's presidency.

Lie?

It initially went up..before the stimulus was implement.

Or do you disagree with that?

 

[Artevelde]

I know the conservatives don't like the site, don't like the man, won't believe the list or the citations, but there are liberal posters here, and I am sharing with them.

A LONG List of President Obama’s Accomplishments! With Citations! | Addicting Info

A few comments:

1) This is not a list of accomplishments but a list of things President Obama has done. Things listed here include giving a speech, appointing lots of people to newly created government positions, calling on other countries to do this or that, ...

2) Obviously he has done quite a lot of things during the last 3.5 years. Nobody could seriously claim otherwise. The question is how one judges the things he's done; Personally I would say it's too early to judge on many things.

3) Most fundamentally, what this list points to (and it's a criticism that can be levelled at many other Presidents as well) is the fact that President Obama has done way too much, created way too many new agencies, government positions, bureaucratic regulations, and unnecessary legislation.

1.) He's done far more then call on countries to do this or that. He reached an agreement with the Russians to reduce the amount of Nuclear weapons in the world. And working with the Russians and Eastern Europeans, the Obama administration locked down a good amount of loose nuclear material in the region.

2.) To early on some things, true. But others have been working pretty well. As posted above, UE numbers are going down. General Motors and most of the auto industry in this country are thriving. Manufacturing is up. And companies are making profits.

3.) Which flies in the face of actual employment numbers in the public sector. Those jobs have gone away by 600K...so government is actually contracting. The new "regulations" came in lieu of putting people in jail. But heck..most of them..were watered down.

You really have to get your facts straigth. When Obama took office the unemployment rate was under 8%. It climbed steadily to a high of 10% and only has been going down for about a year. It is now slightly HIGHER than when Obama took office.

 

[teapartysamurai]

LOL, passing a bunch of worthless legislation that hasn't done a damn thing to help our economy, high unemployment, etc, is called achievements.

You're absolutely and utterly wrong.

UE has steadily gone done. The Stock Market has reached new highs. Manufacturing is coming back to this country. The rate at which women in the work force are paid at..is protected by law. US companies are seeing historic profit.

The problem with you guys..is that you started out wanting Obama to fail..and then never changed the mindset..despite the reality.

And what you want to put up in the white house..is a guy spouting the same sort of nonsense that got us to the brink of economic disaster.

Yeah, keep claiming that guys, and every Thursday the Unemployment numbers have to be "unexpectedly" trended UP, because they keep cooking the books and the books don't gel with the REAL UNEMPLOYMENT NUMBERS.

As my sig points out. If unemployment were counted as it was under Bush and the books weren't cooked as they are for Obama, our unemployment rate is actuall over 14%.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNIUwsCsWQM]Unemployment Rate Actually Near 14% - YouTube[/ame]

This source says unemployment is even WORSE than that!

John Williams: The Real Unemployment Rate: 22% – Not 8.1%

The American Spectator : The Worst Economic Recovery Since the Great Depression

How can this be true? Simple! The Government doesn't count people who have GIVEN UP LOOKING FOR WORK. Which accounts for almost DOUBLE the rate of unemployment the Government actually counts.

Now, you libs can talk up the economy all you want, IT ISN'T GOING TO CUT ICE WITH PEOPLE WHO CAN'T FIND WORK!

And let me tell you, they have counted real unemployment in Ohio. For every job there is, there are two people looking for it. Which means HALF THOSE looking for work in Ohio CAN'T FIND A JOB.

You compare that with the full employment we enjoyed under Bush and that's why Romney's numbers are up in every REAL POLL THAT COUNTS LIKELY VOTERS.

The Government can keep on playing with the unemployment numbers it won't convince people who DON'T HAVE A JOB!

 

[Sallow]

A few comments:

1) This is not a list of accomplishments but a list of things President Obama has done. Things listed here include giving a speech, appointing lots of people to newly created government positions, calling on other countries to do this or that, ...

2) Obviously he has done quite a lot of things during the last 3.5 years. Nobody could seriously claim otherwise. The question is how one judges the things he's done; Personally I would say it's too early to judge on many things.

3) Most fundamentally, what this list points to (and it's a criticism that can be levelled at many other Presidents as well) is the fact that President Obama has done way too much, created way too many new agencies, government positions, bureaucratic regulations, and unnecessary legislation.

1.) He's done far more then call on countries to do this or that. He reached an agreement with the Russians to reduce the amount of Nuclear weapons in the world. And working with the Russians and Eastern Europeans, the Obama administration locked down a good amount of loose nuclear material in the region.

2.) To early on some things, true. But others have been working pretty well. As posted above, UE numbers are going down. General Motors and most of the auto industry in this country are thriving. Manufacturing is up. And companies are making profits.

3.) Which flies in the face of actual employment numbers in the public sector. Those jobs have gone away by 600K...so government is actually contracting. The new "regulations" came in lieu of putting people in jail. But heck..most of them..were watered down.

You really have to get your facts straigth. When Obama took office the unemployment rate was under 8%. It climbed steadily to a high of 10% and only has been going down for about a year. It is now slightly HIGHER than when Obama took office.

It spiked prior to the stimulus package being implemented and as a result of the financial meltdown. Once the stimulus package was put into place..UE has steadily gone down.

My facts are "straigth". Straight even.

 

[teapartysamurai]

Well with all those things that he has done, we know exactly why we are at almost 6 Trillion in the hole, in 3 1/2 years.
What has all that done? .9% more jobs (not even 1%) and no plan to pay down the debt.

GM still went bankrupt what a waste of tax dollars.
Conservatives said it should have done that in the first place and we were right. The company finally righted its self after filing for bankruptcy and it would not have wasted those tax dollars. That is exactly what the law is for.
Tax dollars wasted on many green energy projects.
We still have plenty of tent cities across America.
Conservatives are still right, that the private sector creates jobs, not the Government.
Yep that's just a wonderful record of what he has (hasn't) done.
Trillions of dollars spent to try and create jobs and all we have to show for it? .9%

And don't forget all the "green jobs" Obama and the Dems promised us and what do we have to show for it?

One word: SOLYNDRA!

 

[Artevelde]

1.) He's done far more then call on countries to do this or that. He reached an agreement with the Russians to reduce the amount of Nuclear weapons in the world. And working with the Russians and Eastern Europeans, the Obama administration locked down a good amount of loose nuclear material in the region.

2.) To early on some things, true. But others have been working pretty well. As posted above, UE numbers are going down. General Motors and most of the auto industry in this country are thriving. Manufacturing is up. And companies are making profits.

3.) Which flies in the face of actual employment numbers in the public sector. Those jobs have gone away by 600K...so government is actually contracting. The new "regulations" came in lieu of putting people in jail. But heck..most of them..were watered down.

You really have to get your facts straigth. When Obama took office the unemployment rate was under 8%. It climbed steadily to a high of 10% and only has been going down for about a year. It is now slightly HIGHER than when Obama took office.

It spiked prior to the stimulus package being implemented and as a result of the financial meltdown. Once the stimulus package was put into place..UE has steadily gone down.

My facts are "straigth". Straight even.

The facts are that unemployment is still HIGHER than when Obama took office. That is a fact.

 

[teapartysamurai]

Obama has been successful in some areas and the mess created by Bush in 8 years will not be fixed over night.

If Obama has a big failing it was his bipartisan support for congress especially with a tea party house that spits on every offer to pass legislation the country need to work it's way out of the ditch it was forced into. I think Obama has learned from this and will be a much better president in his second term.

Oh it's STILL ALL BUSH'S FAULT!

 

[teapartysamurai]

LOL, passing a bunch of worthless legislation that hasn't done a damn thing to help our economy, high unemployment, etc, is called achievements.

You're absolutely and utterly wrong.

UE has steadily gone done. The Stock Market has reached new highs. Manufacturing is coming back to this country. The rate at which women in the work force are paid at..is protected by law. US companies are seeing historic profit.

The problem with you guys..is that you started out wanting Obama to fail..and then never changed the mindset..despite the reality.

And what you want to put up in the white house..is a guy spouting the same sort of nonsense that got us to the brink of economic disaster.

That economic disaster would never had happened in the first place,had Dems not created Fannie and Freddie in the fist place. The private sector could have done a much better job at getting affordable housing for the poor.

Worse than that, Bush and Republicans tried to reform Fannie and Freddie.

Guess what party stood in the way?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzCG80Wz4mg]Democrats Blocking Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Reform - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMnSp4qEXNM]Timeline shows Bush, McCain warning Dems of financial and housing crisis; meltdown - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr1M1T2Y314]How The Democrats Caused The Financial Crisis: Starring Bill Clinton's HUD Secretary Andrew Cuomo And Barack Obama; With Special Guest Appearances By Bill Clinton And Jimmy Carter - YouTube[/ame]

 

[teapartysamurai]

You're absolutely and utterly wrong.

UE has steadily gone done. The Stock Market has reached new highs. Manufacturing is coming back to this country. The rate at which women in the work force are paid at..is protected by law. US companies are seeing historic profit.

The problem with you guys..is that you started out wanting Obama to fail..and then never changed the mindset..despite the reality.

And what you want to put up in the white house..is a guy spouting the same sort of nonsense that got us to the brink of economic disaster.

That economic disaster would never had happened in the first place,had Dems not created Fannie and Freddie in the fist place. The private sector could have done a much better job at getting affordable housing for the poor.

Bullshit.

The CRA had nothing to do with the financial meltdown.

And it was the PRIVATE SECTOR who were responsible for sub primes. Fannie and Freddie weren't initally involved in those loans. It was predatory mortgage companies backed by firms like Goldman/Sachs who were asking for them in volume so they could bundle them into derivatives..that were responsible.

No one buys your bullshit anymore.

I think we see who's Bullshit, no one buys anymore!

 

[teapartysamurai]

Except, unlike Bush, Obama's "new agencies and regulations" were funded and actually helpful to those in the lower and middle classes.

Bush's new "regulations and agencies", like the change in overtime rules, prescription drug benefit and department of homeland security..were largely unfunded and favored the 1%.

Here we go with the "1%" BS!

You want a translation for that?

Bush helped people WHO WORKED FOR A LIVING.

Obama helps people who THINK THEY ARE ENTITLED TO WHAT OTHER PEOPLE WORK FOR.

And it's pretty much obvious, on display, and disgusting the average American voter, especially the independents.

Why do you think Romney is ahead of Obama with independents in every poll that tracks "likely voters?"

Sorry?

What do you consider work?

Ever met a CEO?

Notice when met with facts a liberal will fall back to his narrow minded sterotypes about "class envy and the rich."

That's because liberals don't want people to find jobs and better themselves they want "fairness."

Of course "fairness" is defined by liberals as taking away all the money and they distributing it "fairly," with, of course, a big slice off the top for their slush funds and vote buying.

Then the American people would get what's left, and that's their idea of "fair."

No wonder they resent it when people become CEOs and prove you don't need the government to do well.

 

[teapartysamurai]

You're absolutely and utterly wrong.

UE has steadily gone done. The Stock Market has reached new highs. Manufacturing is coming back to this country. The rate at which women in the work force are paid at..is protected by law. US companies are seeing historic profit.

The problem with you guys..is that you started out wanting Obama to fail..and then never changed the mindset..despite the reality.

And what you want to put up in the white house..is a guy spouting the same sort of nonsense that got us to the brink of economic disaster.

Why do you lie about unemployment? It went up during Obama's presidency.

Lie?

It initially went up..before the stimulus was implement.

Or do you disagree with that?

Initially??????????

BWAHAHAHAA!

I already gave the evidence that it's really over 14%.

Keep on lying. It's getting pathetically funny!

 

[teapartysamurai]

1.) He's done far more then call on countries to do this or that. He reached an agreement with the Russians to reduce the amount of Nuclear weapons in the world. And working with the Russians and Eastern Europeans, the Obama administration locked down a good amount of loose nuclear material in the region.

2.) To early on some things, true. But others have been working pretty well. As posted above, UE numbers are going down. General Motors and most of the auto industry in this country are thriving. Manufacturing is up. And companies are making profits.

3.) Which flies in the face of actual employment numbers in the public sector. Those jobs have gone away by 600K...so government is actually contracting. The new "regulations" came in lieu of putting people in jail. But heck..most of them..were watered down.

You really have to get your facts straigth. When Obama took office the unemployment rate was under 8%. It climbed steadily to a high of 10% and only has been going down for about a year. It is now slightly HIGHER than when Obama took office.

It spiked prior to the stimulus package being implemented and as a result of the financial meltdown. Once the stimulus package was put into place..UE has steadily gone down.

My facts are "straigth". Straight even.

Yeah, that's why you don't have a shred of evidence to back that up (unlike myself and I gave plenty of evidence you are DEAD WRONG and LYING TO YOURSELF).

 

[Sallow]

You really have to get your facts straigth. When Obama took office the unemployment rate was under 8%. It climbed steadily to a high of 10% and only has been going down for about a year. It is now slightly HIGHER than when Obama took office.

It spiked prior to the stimulus package being implemented and as a result of the financial meltdown. Once the stimulus package was put into place..UE has steadily gone down.

My facts are "straigth". Straight even.

The facts are that unemployment is still HIGHER than when Obama took office. That is a fact.

Well true.

The other fact is..that the Bush numbers were incorrect about the graveness of the debt and deficit and had to be revised.

Of course you won't acknowledge that.

You guys won't even acknowledge what a mess Bush left.

But lets look at the facts.

Bush came in with a surplus (again..you guys don't acknowledge that) and a minor recession that had basically worked itself out. The DotComs which went bust were largely cleared and the major problem was there was ALOT of telecommunications gear out there going for bargain basement prices. This hurt the major tech firms. So what did Bush do? Instead of spending on infrastructure..and easing the impact..he gave a huge tax cut to the rich. Then..he lowered interest rates to zero..which encouraged taking out loans. Of course he knew that was going to fire up the constuction industry. Then, after 9/11..instead of a short fast war in Afghanistan..he decided to go for a long protracted war in Iraq..to justify defense spending. With 2 wars going..and public sector hiring going up..as well as the constuction industry over building..of course things looked rosy. That came along with straving regulators of funding..because..heck..why would you want them watching people bundling sub prime derivatives. The Bush administration had plenty of warning too..and didn't act on it.. Well..not until people like Eliot Spitzer threatened to sue the Federal Government. And even then? What happened? Aside from the loss of some companies, like Arthur Anderson and Enron? Not much.

So the fake, unpaid for, economy collapsed in 2008..and it was almost a decade worth of damage.

Which left Obama..what? Three years to clean up the mess?

You guys are rich..

 

[Sallow]

You really have to get your facts straigth. When Obama took office the unemployment rate was under 8%. It climbed steadily to a high of 10% and only has been going down for about a year. It is now slightly HIGHER than when Obama took office.

It spiked prior to the stimulus package being implemented and as a result of the financial meltdown. Once the stimulus package was put into place..UE has steadily gone down.

My facts are "straigth". Straight even.

Yeah, that's why you don't have a shred of evidence to back that up (unlike myself and I gave plenty of evidence you are DEAD WRONG and LYING TO YOURSELF).

You're not really worth it aside from comic relief.

Cue smilies.

 

[teapartysamurai]

It spiked prior to the stimulus package being implemented and as a result of the financial meltdown. Once the stimulus package was put into place..UE has steadily gone down.

My facts are "straigth". Straight even.

The facts are that unemployment is still HIGHER than when Obama took office. That is a fact.

Well true.

The other fact is..that the Bush numbers were incorrect about the graveness of the debt and deficit and had to be revised.

Of course you won't acknowledge that.

You guys won't even acknowledge what a mess Bush left.

But lets look at the facts.

Bush came in with a surplus (again..you guys don't acknowledge that) and a minor recession that had basically worked itself out. The DotComs which went bust were largely cleared and the major problem was there was ALOT of telecommunications gear out there going for bargain basement prices. This hurt the major tech firms. So what did Bush do? Instead of spending on infrastructure..and easing the impact..he gave a huge tax cut to the rich. Then..he lowered interest rates to zero..which encouraged taking out loans. Of course he knew that was going to fire up the constuction industry. Then, after 9/11..instead of a short fast war in Afghanistan..he decided to go for a long protracted war in Iraq..to justify defense spending. With 2 wars going..and public sector hiring going up..as well as the constuction industry over building..of course things looked rosy. That came along with straving regulators of funding..because..heck..why would you want them watching people bundling sub prime derivatives. The Bush administration had plenty of warning too..and didn't act on it.. Well..not until people like Eliot Spitzer threatened to sue the Federal Government. And even then? What happened? Aside from the loss of some companies, like Arthur Anderson and Enron? Not much.

So the fake, unpaid for, economy collapsed in 2008..and it was almost a decade worth of damage.

Which left Obama..what? Three years to clean up the mess?

You guys are rich..

If Bush's numbers were incorrect, give us the evidence!

I already gave the evidence that compared to Bush, Obama's unemployment numbers are abysmal.

I already gave the evidence, it was the Democrats that caused the financial meltdown.

All you give us is your say so that it was all Bush's fault and Obama is causing a recovery.

You give us no evidence. It's just liberal talking points, and those talking points aren't going to refute a lot of evidence to the contrary.