for the gun control advocates

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    prove to me how the 2nd amendment doesn't guarantee individual gun ownership?
     
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    This will be fun to see.

    I think acludem was the only person I've seen logically take that stance, though I haven't seen him for months.
     
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    Hell I dont know anything about any of that as you know.

    However, when I was working at the ER I saw more than one child with a bullet in the face (not to mention all that Ive not seen yet read about or heard about from the news etc), from a parent's gun. Also...MIGHT I add that EACH parent was screaming one or more of the following:
    A. But the gun was put up/locked up/hidden and there isnt ANY way that my child could have either gotten to it or even known where it was
    B. But Im VERY knowledgable with weapons and my weapon was unloaded and not in the reach of my child
    C. But I teach my children NOT to mess with my gunS!

    All good things - however, in all cases, their child was dead.

    Its enough for me.
     
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    Probably in a majority of those cases (despite C), the parents never mentioned the dangers of the gun to their kids or ever taught them gun safety. Therefore an uninformed child would see it as just another toy.
     
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    I cannot speak for the majority. I can only speak for the 2 that I dealt with personally and actually....I can also speak as a mother of my own children.
    In the 2 cases that I was present during, both told anyone who would listen, 'but I TOLD my children the dangers, I worked with them on proper use of a gun....I STRESSED that this isnt a toy!" (or similar words - forgive me if several years later I cannot remember the exacts)

    Re. being a parent, I have learned many things about children including that the things that are most forbidden to them are the things that are most seductive to them.
     
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    Love your sig!
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    I don't see how this answers the original question:

     
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    Let me begin by saying that it must have been absolutely nightmarish to have to experience the accidents you have seen due to the misuse of firearms. What I am about to say is not belittling that...

    But Benjamin Franklin once stated that those who are willing to sacrifice freedoms for safety deserve neither...and its a quote that we, as Americans, should consider very carefully before we go and give up Constitutional rights because parents did a crappy job keeping their firearms away from their children.

    The First Amendment can be a very dangerous thing as well...the right words can inspire ill people to do all sorts of disgusting things. Murder, rape, genocide, terrorism...all of these ghastly things have been, at one time or another, spurned on by someone using words...speeches...books...to influence another to do terrible things.

    Should we forbid everyone from saying anything publically that might be considered "dangerous?" Louis Farrakkan recently said to a group of African-Americans, "If there was ever a people who deserved to strap on a bomb, and inflict pain for the pain that we have sufferred, it is us." WOW. How could that be interpreted by a young black man going through some hard times????? Should we arrest Farrakkan?

    How about a right to privacy? Should the police be able to search your house without a warrant if they know there is criminal activity going on inside but can't prove it?!? I mean, afterall...how many cases are on the record of criminals getting off the hook because the police found drugs in their car trunk but didn't have a warrant so it was dismissed...surely the greater good (public safety) should win out over the right of one criminal to not have his car trunk opened without a warrant....RIGHT?

    You have seen terrible things...and it would make any normal person wonder if the right to bear arms was worth it. However to start cutting chunks out of the Constitution because a very small number of people (yes, it feels like a lot when you see it in person...but compared to the number of gun owners, it is very small) don't keep their guns in a safe location, is a remarkably BAD idea.
     
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    since i am bored

    Amendment II

    A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

    in the context of the sentence, if you are not part of a militia then you don't have the right
     

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