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    <center><h2><a href=http://amconmag.com/2004_06_07/article.html> What becomes of a country that loses its capacity for repulsion?</a></h2></center>

    <blockquote>By Paul W. Schroeder

    We already know the administration’s strategy for damage control on the latest erupting scandal in occupied Iraq, the abuse of Iraqi prisoners of war. The tactics have served more or less successfully, at least in America, to cover up and survive every earlier scandal and fiasco of this administration at home and abroad. President Bush has already raised his hands in holy disgust, pronouncing the actions contrary to his and the country’s principles and the Army’s policy, the work of a handful of miscreants whom Donald Rumsfeld solemnly promises to pursue and punish. We are already hearing the predictable excuses employed by defenders of corporate corruption, high-paid criminal athletes, and this administration—“This does not represent us or America and its values,” “mistakes have been made,” “no one claimed we or democracy are perfect.” A few obvious culprits will be punished, a few mid-level superiors reprimanded or demoted, dangerous questions held at bay at hearings, a commission possibly named to study the problem, administrative changes promised, and then the administration, denying involvement and responsibility, will move on to other things to distract the public.

    They must not get away with this...

    ...Consider finally what it must say about the American public, or at least a major portion of it, if this does not at last produce an overdue and overriding sense of revulsion against leaders and a policy that have led their country to this shameful pass. The Republican slogan in 1996 was “Where’s the outrage?” That outrage, understandable given the disgusting though essentially private misdeeds of President Clinton and important in the 2000 election, today seems strangely absent on the Right. Liberals can now ask conservatives, “Where’s the revulsion?” What must it mean if good, loyal, religious, family-values conservatives—the segment that George W. Bush overwhelmingly commands and that this journal appeals to—find even this degrading spectacle something they can swallow? What if at least a sizeable contingent does not deliver to Bush in November the message that Oliver Cromwell addressed to the English Long Parliament in 1649: “You have been here too long for any good that you have done. In the name of God, go!”

    The 19th century Danish philosopher Søren Kierkegaard wrote in an essay that a sign of malfunctioning of the digestive system was the inability to become nauseated or to vomit upon eating spoiled food, and that the remedy was to take an emetic. The disorder that offended him then was spiritual, the failure of Danish Lutherans to share his revulsion at a complacent established church that he believed was betraying real Christianity. His analysis and advice apply in a different way to Americans today. Anyone who does not feel revulsion against this administration for what it is doing and has done in Iraq and elsewhere has something seriously wrong with his political digestive system. </blockquote>

    Where indeed is the revulsion? It seems long past time for a political emetic to cast out the poisons that have festered for far too long in the White House and tha halls of Congress.
     
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    Isn't this topic better suited towards homosexuality? Where is the repulsion towards that sick and disgusting act?
     
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    This nation was repulsed, by 911 and the Beheading of Nick Berg. Heck just the thought of the beheading without seeing it repulsed most people.

    Whats so funny about this is libs are trying to get people outraged about the "Prisoner scandal". The problem with this is liberals have been trying to push this same deviant behavior on the population in the name of free speech and expression. The left has been pushing sexual expression and freedom for years and then they expect us to be outraged when a few members of the military follow what theyve been teaching for years? yeah right. The American people arent stupid. We know what youve been teaching and to pretend to be outraged over this is ridiculous. And dont give me that BS about being outraged at shaming and being "intolerant" of the terrorists either. You guys have no problem being intolerant and shaming groups of people. Three of which are Conservatives, Faithful Christians, and pro family groups. You are completely intolerant of them. Its sick and quite hypocritical for you to be feigning outrage over this.

    The main point of this is, its liberal views in the military that caused this problem. Why on earth would you think continually pushing this scandal to the forefront of the news is going to benefit you guys? If one followed conservative teachings, this wouldnt be a problem. as it is those violators are being punished. Justice is served and you are going to have alot of people outraged if you continue to focus on this rather than the more serious sins of the Nick Berg beheading.
     
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    I seriously find it amazing that libs are wondering where the revulsion on this scandal is. Hello. An American gets his head sawed off by terrorists and libs cant figure out why Americans arent as revulsed when troops put terrorists underwear on their heads. I mean hello?!
     
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    HELLOOOOOOOO! you wonder why there isn't the publicly expressed outrage about nick berg?? It's because we don't expect anything better out of the subhuman pieces of shit that did it. Now, want to know why the prison scandal is being publicly blasted everyday? It's because the so called conservatives refuse to acknowledge that it IS abuse and that its MORE than just 7 people. As we speak, we have higher ranking officers who are refusing to testify using the 5th amendment. Would that be because they are afraid of incriminating themselves? hell yes, but then again, conservative teachings must mean that its ok to abuse prisoners as long as you don't get caught, and if you do get caught, be prepared to go it alone as your upper echelon commanders are going to abandon you.
     
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    Top conservative leaders HAVE acknowleged the scandal as abuse. We are reminded of it everyday by the media because the believe it to be good for thier political agenda. The people who are responsible are still being investigated and we will have to wait to see how high up the punishment goes. We may see some retirements and resignations among the guilty higher ups but perhaps they are waiting for the libs to back off thier "AH HA--GOTCHA " mode. Why does the press continue the shame and torture of these Iraqis by repeatedly flashing the pictures?? Do they not understand that theses pics CONTINUE to be an embarrassment to them???
     
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    No, it is the administration's refusal to listen to its generals before ever going into Iraq, its refusal to listen to them afterwards, and its contiuing refusal to listen to them now that has led to the problems this nation now faces in Iraq.

    Iraq was not a just war, it was a war of, by and for political reasons, waged by politicians for political reasons. It you don't believe that, I suggest you read the Project for the New American Century's report, "<b>Rebuilding America's Defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources For a New Century</b>", published in September of 2000. The neocon strategy and plans for the middle-east are all nicely laid out there.
     
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    They have acknowledged it, which is far different from actually doing anything meaningful about it. All we're seeing so far is a few enlisted folks being scape-goated for the whole thing.
     
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    When you libs, Anybody but Bush, and peaceniks show some outrage at the jihadists that want you dead, we can worry about your precious "prison scandal".

    You get so hung up on this petty bullshit that you lose sight of the big picture.
     
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    Exactly my point. You want to feign outrage over prison scandals, that involved behavior the left has been pushing on the American culture for the past three decades and ignore a beheading.

    You may say that you have higher standards for us than the terrorists. thats fine. I do too. We are not going to decend to their level, but if you think these scandals are even close to their level then i have to question you.

    The rest of us are going to keep things in perspective. We may make mistakes, we will fix them. but that is no reason for Democrats to try to undermine the war on terror.
     

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