For Reagan to be as Great as FDR

[haileydavey]

he also would have started soviet internment camps.

[FDR's 4 terms were something the country and Congress, did not want to see again for possible dictator propensities and that is why we have the 22nd Amendment.] Not surprisingly Obama said in 2009 that he wants to repeal that decision I am sure we will be hearing much more of that, in the next two years.

Relative to the extreme socialist president FDR:

Snip:

His "New Deal" was put into action with the intent of saving the country from the Great Depression and possible revolution. Whether it had any effect, and whether this effect was positive, is still hotly debated. Even some in his own administration disagreed on it being effective.

Probably the worst thing he did in office was the Japanese Internment Act during WWII, under which thousands of American citizens were rounded up and put in prison camps solely for being of Japanese descent (some German and Italian Americans were also interned, though not as many).

Franklin D Roosevelt - Television Tropes & Idioms

LOL
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYx4NUMEdoA]YouTube - Obama wants to repeal the 22nd amendment[/ame]

I guess that is a little funny but Bush made more than his far share of mistakes. I highly doubt that he is either dumb or looking to repel the 22nd Amendment. He is not an idiot just like Bush was not an idiot. They both when speaking on the fly do not think about the words they use until it is too late.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You know what you need for Reagan to be seen as as Great as FDR.

A complete over haul of our Public Education system that has perpetuated Myths about the effectiveness of FDRs polices for Generations.

FDR was not our Greatest President. his policies were much like Obama's in that they did not solve the economic problem of the time they simply made it worse in the long run while giving some people some relief.

He also showed little respect for the US constitution when he was behind the single worst case of Human Rights abuse the US government was responsible save for Slavery when he interned 125,000 American Citizens of Japanese Decent against their will.

He was also guilty of attempting to Pack the supreme court. Pushing to add I think it was 5 more justices all to be appointed by him.

yeah what a wonder president he was. Not to mention he was our president for the entire time Hitler was rising to power in Europe and being appeased by us and Europe. Nobody ever faults him for his part in the appeasement of Hitler either, or his failure to recognize that even as we were winning WWII it was clear the Soviets were going to be our Enemy as soon as it was over.

Seems he was rather clueless to me.

his so called greatest achievements are crippling us as we speak. SS is a massive money pit that will collapse under it's own weight at some point. It can not be sustained. Period. Not unless we continue to import MILLIONS of uneducated entry level workers to pay for everyone else. Which comes with it's own bag of Problems.

What the hell was so great about him again?

Charles, are you not able to read and comprehend the totality of his terms? No wonder the Dems, who should be reeling by now for a number of reasons, are going to keep their majorities this fall.

Folks like you post inanities like the above, expect sensible people to accept your insensibility as sensible, then are astounded when the opposite happens from what you want.

 

[Darkwind]

I think both guys are placed way too high on the altar by their respective fans. I voted for Reagan both times but he was far from the image so many now have of him; imho anyway, FDR was just a big government statist, interesting that Reagan supported him .

Ronald Reagan was My Commander-in-Chief. I had to suffer through two years of Bush I, but I will always consider him My commander.

Having said that, I have no illusions about Ronald Reagan. He made some mistakes. Name Me a President who hasn't. I don't hold him on a pedestal, but I do hold him in very high esteem. I would rank him in the top 7 Presidents we have had in this country. I won't give him top 5 but he is definitely better than top 10. What makes him stand out more than anything is the fact that he is contrasted with the very worst President this country has ever had. Jimmy Carter. And that is saying something because Ulysses Grant was an absolute disaster and Hoover (Whom Obama is quickly emulating) runs a close third!

 

[Avorysuds]

For Reagan to be as great as FDR he would have to

- Lead the nation out of the countries worst Depression
- Establish Social Security
- Lead the largest military buildup in world history
- Lead the nation in a world war on multiple fronts
- Lead the development of an Atomic Bomb
- Turn the US from one of the most powerful to a Super Power
- Turn the US from isolationist to a World Power

That is the by far the most silly list I have ever seen in my life.


- Lead the nation out of the countries worst Depression
FDR didn’t get the US out of a depression, the war did… Until the war happened the depression would have gone on forever.

- Establish Social Security
One of the top entitlement programs that have bankrupted the country

- Lead the largest military buildup in world history
Was he on the front lines? I’m not gonna give FDR shit over something like this but honestly, did FDR lead the military or did the Generals? Who are you giving and taking credit to and from?

- Lead the nation in a world war on multiple fronts
I’m pretty sure you just repeated yourself.

- Lead the development of an Atomic Bomb
Again, was FDR a fucking atomic scientist now leading a “team”? Bill Clinton led the charge in the internet’s creation then? Bush for Blue Ray TV?

- Turn the US from one of the most powerful to a Super Power
Yes because without FDR the inevitable would have never happened… I’d bet FRD himself would roll his eyes at your ridiculous claims.

- Turn the US from isolationist to a World Power
The US was an isolationist? I see that word used a lot, but rarely is it used correctly.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Darkwind has just demonstrated inanity.

Yes, FDR led the country out of the Great Depression into WWII and did it brilliantly. Read the sentence correctly, son.

Yes, Social Security is self-sustaining if congresses, Republican and Democratic, would stop dropping the funds into the general slush fund. Please Understand How Congress Works.

FDR was wise enough to let Marshall, Leahy, Arnold, and the rest of the military commanders to conduct the war appropriately. He never would have permitted a Rumsfeld to push politics over policy.

Yes, FDR was wise enough to listen Einstein and the other scientists, find Leslie Grove and others to run an incredible program, and inspire the incredible effort. You reveal your lack of knowledge about this issue.

Yes, FDR led America to super power status where a Hoover or leaders of that ilk would have lost the war.

Yes, FDR led America to internationalism. You clearly have no idea what isolationism means.

Darkwind, you have the smarts of Bozo.

 

[Sinatra]

I think both guys are placed way too high on the altar by their respective fans. I voted for Reagan both times but he was far from the image so many now have of him; imho anyway, FDR was just a big government statist, interesting that Reagan supported him .

Ronald Reagan was My Commander-in-Chief. I had to suffer through two years of Bush I, but I will always consider him My commander.

Having said that, I have no illusions about Ronald Reagan. He made some mistakes. Name Me a President who hasn't. I don't hold him on a pedestal, but I do hold him in very high esteem. I would rank him in the top 7 Presidents we have had in this country. I won't give him top 5 but he is definitely better than top 10. What makes him stand out more than anything is the fact that he is contrasted with the very worst President this country has ever had. Jimmy Carter. And that is saying something because Ulysses Grant was an absolute disaster and Hoover (Whom Obama is quickly emulating) runs a close third!

Well said! Reagan is indeed top-tier, and the best of the second half of the 20th Century. As you state - far from perfect, and he was, and would be, the first to say so.

FDR is indeed an enigma, and therein we find the lacking portion of the history on him. His wartime creds are deserving of great praise, but his economic and social endeavors are equally deserving of far more scrutiny. Alas, many a historian, suffering from the malaise of liberalism themselves, views FDR's great expansion of federal authority with approval, thus overlooking the facts that clearly point to an economy that remained in tatters, to say nothing of the attempted packing of the court and other questionable components of the FDR regime. A fascinating figure in American history, but FDR remains a largely unknown one beyond the comfortable liberal-leaning myth.

And yes, the same could be said of Reagan, but with Reagan we see history attempting to err on the side against him, while it is the people who work to clear that slant. With FDR is often the opposite, with historians creating the favorable slant, and then working diligently to defend it...

 

[JakeStarkey]

FDR's accomplishments, weaknesses, and legacy are very well-known despite the reactionary right myth-making personified above by Sinatra and others on the board. Their commentary is very easily dismissed.

 

[Queen]

I think both guys are placed way too high on the altar by their respective fans. I voted for Reagan both times but he was far from the image so many now have of him; imho anyway, FDR was just a big government statist, interesting that Reagan supported him .

Ronald Reagan was My Commander-in-Chief. I had to suffer through two years of Bush I, but I will always consider him My commander.

Having said that, I have no illusions about Ronald Reagan. He made some mistakes. Name Me a President who hasn't. I don't hold him on a pedestal, but I do hold him in very high esteem. I would rank him in the top 7 Presidents we have had in this country. I won't give him top 5 but he is definitely better than top 10. What makes him stand out more than anything is the fact that he is contrasted with the very worst President this country has ever had. Jimmy Carter. And that is saying something because Ulysses Grant was an absolute disaster and Hoover (Whom Obama is quickly emulating) runs a close third!

So you're in favor of tripling the national debt and sending all of our manufacturing jobs overseas.

I think Reagan was a terrible President.

We're probably better off that lost his mind with Altzheimers for the last two years of his term. Who knows what other damage he might have caused us. Trickle down my ass.

 

[Avorysuds]

Darkwind has just demonstrated inanity.

Yes, FDR led the country out of the Great Depression into WWII and did it brilliantly. Read the sentence correctly, son.

Yes, Social Security is self-sustaining if congresses, Republican and Democratic, would stop dropping the funds into the general slush fund. Please Understand How Congress Works.

FDR was wise enough to let Marshall, Leahy, Arnold, and the rest of the military commanders to conduct the war appropriately. He never would have permitted a Rumsfeld to push politics over policy.

Yes, FDR was wise enough to listen Einstein and the other scientists, find Leslie Grove and others to run an incredible program, and inspire the incredible effort. You reveal your lack of knowledge about this issue.

Yes, FDR led America to super power status where a Hoover or leaders of that ilk would have lost the war.

Yes, FDR led America to internationalism. You clearly have no idea what isolationism means.

Darkwind, you have the smarts of Bozo.

Nice story, you might have a career in fiction but you seem to have a problem with keeping the reader interested.

https://mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=355

Even if you read this, and you you thought "I agree!." You would still post more made up shit here because your ego is more important than admiting you were wrong about, well about anything.

Tell us all again how you're not a liberal hack... BOOOOOOOOOOSH!

 

[JakeStarkey]

Darkwind has just demonstrated inanity.

Yes, FDR led the country out of the Great Depression into WWII and did it brilliantly. Read the sentence correctly, son.

Yes, Social Security is self-sustaining if congresses, Republican and Democratic, would stop dropping the funds into the general slush fund. Please Understand How Congress Works.

FDR was wise enough to let Marshall, Leahy, Arnold, and the rest of the military commanders to conduct the war appropriately. He never would have permitted a Rumsfeld to push politics over policy.

Yes, FDR was wise enough to listen Einstein and the other scientists, find Leslie Grove and others to run an incredible program, and inspire the incredible effort. You reveal your lack of knowledge about this issue.

Yes, FDR led America to super power status where a Hoover or leaders of that ilk would have lost the war.

Yes, FDR led America to internationalism. You clearly have no idea what isolationism means.

Darkwind, you have the smarts of Bozo.

Nice story, you might have a career in fiction but you seem to have a problem with keeping the reader interested.

https://mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=355

Even if you read this, and you you thought "I agree!." You would still post more made up shit here because your ego is more important than admiting you were wrong about, well about anything.

Tell us all again how you're not a liberal hack... BOOOOOOOOOOSH!

Suds is an activist reactionary with an agenda. Her comments are easily dismissed. FDR was great. Nothing anyone writes negates that.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

You know what you need for Reagan to be seen as as Great as FDR.

A complete over haul of our Public Education system that has perpetuated Myths about the effectiveness of FDRs polices for Generations.

FDR was not our Greatest President. his policies were much like Obama's in that they did not solve the economic problem of the time they simply made it worse in the long run while giving some people some relief.

He also showed little respect for the US constitution when he was behind the single worst case of Human Rights abuse the US government was responsible save for Slavery when he interned 125,000 American Citizens of Japanese Decent against their will.

He was also guilty of attempting to Pack the supreme court. Pushing to add I think it was 5 more justices all to be appointed by him.

yeah what a wonder president he was. Not to mention he was our president for the entire time Hitler was rising to power in Europe and being appeased by us and Europe. Nobody ever faults him for his part in the appeasement of Hitler either, or his failure to recognize that even as we were winning WWII it was clear the Soviets were going to be our Enemy as soon as it was over.

Seems he was rather clueless to me.

his so called greatest achievements are crippling us as we speak. SS is a massive money pit that will collapse under it's own weight at some point. It can not be sustained. Period. Not unless we continue to import MILLIONS of uneducated entry level workers to pay for everyone else. Which comes with it's own bag of Problems.

What the hell was so great about him again?

Charles, are you not able to read and comprehend the totality of his terms? No wonder the Dems, who should be reeling by now for a number of reasons, are going to keep their majorities this fall.

Folks like you post inanities like the above, expect sensible people to accept your insensibility as sensible, then are astounded when the opposite happens from what you want.

Charles wins. Not even close either

Progressives will never respond with "FDR is Great because the New Deal got us out of the Great Depression" Instead FDR's Imaginary Greatness is like ManMade Global Warming, it's only there because Progressives say so

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Darkwind has just demonstrated inanity.

Yes, FDR led the country out of the Great Depression...

Which year? When did that happen, Jake?

US Unemployment 1933: 24.9, 1934: 21.7%, 1935: 20.1%, 1936: 16.9%, 1937: 14.3%, 1938: 19.0%, 1939: 17.2%. = 19.1% average.

 

[jillian]

Darkwind has just demonstrated inanity.

Yes, FDR led the country out of the Great Depression...

Which year? When did that happen, Jake?

US Unemployment 1933: 24.9, 1934: 21.7%, 1935: 20.1%, 1936: 16.9%, 1937: 14.3%, 1938: 19.0%, 1939: 17.2%. = 19.1% average.

poor demented frank. no matter how hard he tries, the facts get in the way.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Darkwind has just demonstrated inanity.

Yes, FDR led the country out of the Great Depression...

Which year? When did that happen, Jake?

US Unemployment 1933: 24.9, 1934: 21.7%, 1935: 20.1%, 1936: 16.9%, 1937: 14.3%, 1938: 19.0%, 1939: 17.2%. = 19.1% average.

poor demented frank. no matter how hard he tries, the facts get in the way.

Poor out of date Jillian, trying an Alinsky #5 (ridicule with a side of schmear) because she can't name the year the New Deal got us out of the Great Depression.

It's OK, Jill, I know you don't have an answer.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Jillian, you realize it's 2010 and you don't control the debate anymore, right?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Frank, I know it sux being you, but let's hope today is a good day for you.

 

[rightwinger]

"Feel good" speeches do not make up for a lack of accomplishments.

For Reagan to even be considered to be in the same league as FDR, he would have actually had to have had some real accomplishments.

I felt pretty good about this Reagan accomplishment and speech

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtYdjbpBk6A]YouTube - Reagan at Brandenburg Gate - "tear down this wall"[/ame]

Ronald Reagan dismantled the empire Stalin and FDR built

It was Gorbachev who dismantled the Empire. All Reagan did was not interfere while the Russians broke apart the USSR. Reagans policies had little to do with the fall of the USSR. Historical records have shown the USSRs economy was crumbling for decades.

Thats why Gorby won the Nobel and Reagan was ignored