For Reagan to be as Great as FDR

[zzzz]

Presidents are rated by the events that occurred during their terms and how they reacted to them. FDR had the depression and WWII, and face it, he needed the war to to get the country out of the depression. Reagan had to clean up the economic and diplomatic mess Carter had put the country in. Reagan defeated the Soviet menace and the threat of war with them. Plus Reagan brought back the feeling of being proud to being an American. Both had their failings and triumphs and as time goes on the ratings of each may change. But since FDR was faced by global warfare he will always be up there with the other war presidents, Washington and Lincoln!

 

[California Girl]

What I find most interesting is the amount of people who seem to equate the Democrat Party of old with the Democrat Party of today. Same for the Republican Party. Both parties have, historically, been both great and crap.

The partisan fools won't see this logic, because they are predisposed to terminal stupidity.

And, while FDR tops many polls - the actually important question is WHAT was the question asked. If you ask Europeans about the 'Most Influential Europeans' I suspect that Hitler would rank quite highly - because his impact and influence on Europe continues to this day.... that does not make him a great leader - quite the opposite. Only fools use the 'polls' argument to defend any position. It's about as valid as linking to a media story and assuming that, because the media report it as fact, that it is a fact.

While I am not a lover of wiki as a 'source', the link below is pretty informative from a factual perspective. It gives a variety of polls, responses, and historical polling on a variety of questions regarding the office of POTUS.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States

Personally, if I were to rank our 'best' POTUS, it would be a tie between Washington and Lincoln.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I think both guys are placed way too high on the altar by their respective fans. I voted for Reagan both times but he was far from the image so many now have of him; imho anyway, FDR was just a big government statist, interesting that Reagan supported him .

Reagan at the begining supported FDR, but then he did walk away from the democatic party and all the big government it pushed.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

He would have had unemployment like this:

1981: 24.9, 1982: 21.7%, 1983: 20.1%, 1984: 16.9%, 1985: 14.3%, 1986: 19.0%, 1987: 17.2%

and he would have let blacks get ebola and have it go untreated for 20 years, just to see what happens.

That's how Progressives measure Greatness

Just to keep the record straight --The Civil Rights Act was passed by a Democratic Congress under LBJ in 1964.

A lessor know bill, the Civil Rights Voter Protection act also know as the Civil Rights act of 1957 was passed by a Democratic Congress in 1957 under Ike.

How come you left out the part where the Dem Congress lead by LBJ tried to kill, then finally realized they HAD to pass a watered down version of the bill?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

For Reagan to be as great as FDR he would have to

- Lead the nation out of the countries worst Depression
- Establish Social Security
- Lead the largest military buildup in world history
- Lead the nation in a world war on multiple fronts
- Lead the development of an Atomic Bomb
- Turn the US from one of the most powerful to a Super Power
- Turn the US from isolationist to a World Power

You did bring up a good point.

Look at how each President treated the USSR

FDR acted like a sock puppet to his Uncle Joe Stalin and on advise of genuine Communist spies and traitors (See any of my McCarthy threads) he traded Soviet Totalitarianism for Nazi Totalitarianism for over tens of million of people and thousands of square miles of in Eastern Europe.

Reagan called the USSR an Evil Empire and set as his goal the dismantling of that evil regime and awful ideology

Let's review, FDR Uncle Joe; Ron Reagan Evil Empire

See the difference?

 

[rightwinger]

For Reagan to be as great as FDR he would have to

- Lead the nation out of the countries worst Depression
- Establish Social Security
- Lead the largest military buildup in world history
- Lead the nation in a world war on multiple fronts
- Lead the development of an Atomic Bomb
- Turn the US from one of the most powerful to a Super Power
- Turn the US from isolationist to a World Power

You did bring up a good point.

Look at how each President treated the USSR

FDR acted like a sock puppet to his Uncle Joe Stalin and on advise of genuine Communist spies and traitors (See any of my McCarthy threads) he traded Soviet Totalitarianism for Nazi Totalitarianism for over tens of million of people and thousands of square miles of in Eastern Europe.

Reagan called the USSR an Evil Empire and set as his goal the dismantling of that evil regime and awful ideology

Let's review, FDR Uncle Joe; Ron Reagan Evil Empire

See the difference?

Guess what?

The Soviet Union already had the Red Army occupying Eastern Europe and had lost 10 million dead doing it. How many million soldiers would the US have been willing to give up to drive them out?

Reagans role in forcing the USSR to collapse is overstated. Records released from the Soviet Union after the fall show an economy that had been collapsing for decades. Reagans greatest achievement is that he allowed the Soviet Union to collapse with grace and dignity. If he tried to take advantage of the situation there could have been war

 

[rightwinger]

In all, FDRs greatest achievement is that he reshaped the country and turned us into a modern Super Power both economically and militarily. If he had listened to the conservatives of the day, tens of thousands of Americans would have perished in the Depression, the US would have remained isolationist and we would today be just another large country.

FDR recognized that the Depression was not about banks, it was not about economic index, it was not about numbers.......it was about PEOPLE
FDR made sure that social programs were formed that kept millions from going hungry, he started work programs, let people know that the Government cared about their situation

The Republicans of the day considered the people to be subject to Darwinism....let the strong survive and the weak perish

 

[CrusaderFrank]

For Reagan to be as great as FDR he would have to

- Lead the nation out of the countries worst Depression
- Establish Social Security
- Lead the largest military buildup in world history
- Lead the nation in a world war on multiple fronts
- Lead the development of an Atomic Bomb
- Turn the US from one of the most powerful to a Super Power
- Turn the US from isolationist to a World Power

You did bring up a good point.

Look at how each President treated the USSR

FDR acted like a sock puppet to his Uncle Joe Stalin and on advise of genuine Communist spies and traitors (See any of my McCarthy threads) he traded Soviet Totalitarianism for Nazi Totalitarianism for over tens of million of people and thousands of square miles of in Eastern Europe.

Reagan called the USSR an Evil Empire and set as his goal the dismantling of that evil regime and awful ideology

Let's review, FDR Uncle Joe; Ron Reagan Evil Empire

See the difference?

Guess what?

The Soviet Union already had the Red Army occupying Eastern Europe and had lost 10 million dead doing it. How many million soldiers would the US have been willing to give up to drive them out?

Reagans role in forcing the USSR to collapse is overstated. Records released from the Soviet Union after the fall show an economy that had been collapsing for decades. Reagans greatest achievement is that he allowed the Soviet Union to collapse with grace and dignity. If he tried to take advantage of the situation there could have been war

Well thanks to real Communists spies just like McCarthy warned us about, the USSR got their hands on all of our atomic weapons secrets years, probably decades, ahead of when they should have got them.

The Left will never forgive Reagan for stating as his goal the dismantling of their hometeam them actually following through on it. Lie all you want about their bad economy (70 years of it) and keep lying that they just so happened to collapse when Reagan was there like it was some coincidence.

I know you're lying and that's all that counts

 

[rightwinger]

You did bring up a good point.

Look at how each President treated the USSR

FDR acted like a sock puppet to his Uncle Joe Stalin and on advise of genuine Communist spies and traitors (See any of my McCarthy threads) he traded Soviet Totalitarianism for Nazi Totalitarianism for over tens of million of people and thousands of square miles of in Eastern Europe.

Reagan called the USSR an Evil Empire and set as his goal the dismantling of that evil regime and awful ideology

Let's review, FDR Uncle Joe; Ron Reagan Evil Empire

See the difference?

Guess what?

The Soviet Union already had the Red Army occupying Eastern Europe and had lost 10 million dead doing it. How many million soldiers would the US have been willing to give up to drive them out?

Reagans role in forcing the USSR to collapse is overstated. Records released from the Soviet Union after the fall show an economy that had been collapsing for decades. Reagans greatest achievement is that he allowed the Soviet Union to collapse with grace and dignity. If he tried to take advantage of the situation there could have been war

Well thanks to real Communists spies just like McCarthy warned us about, the USSR got their hands on all of our atomic weapons secrets years, probably decades, ahead of when they should have got them.

The Left will never forgive Reagan for stating as his goal the dismantling of their hometeam them actually following through on it. Lie all you want about their bad economy (70 years of it) and keep lying that they just so happened to collapse when Reagan was there like it was some coincidence.

I know you're lying and that's all that counts

How many spies did McCarthy actually catch with his secret lists? Other than harassing and destroying the lives of innocent people, how many spies did he actually save us from

Your right wing fantasy has Reagan destroying the Soviet economy in three years. That is quite an achievement. Looking at ACTUAL Soviet record shows that it took decades

I enjoy your attempts at trolling. It gives us a chance to show how great men like FDR were

 

[Mr. Shaman]

He would have had unemployment like this:

1981: 24.9, 1982: 21.7%, 1983: 20.1%, 1984: 16.9%, 1985: 14.3%, 1986: 19.0%, 1987: 17.2%

and he would have let blacks get ebola and have it go untreated for 20 years, just to see what happens.

....Where ReRon preferred outright-GENOCIDE! (...And, there was no "would have", about it.)

 

[Mr Natural]

"Feel good" speeches do not make up for a lack of accomplishments.

For Reagan to even be considered to be in the same league as FDR, he would have actually had to have had some real accomplishments.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

I think both guys are placed way too high on the altar by their respective fans. I voted for Reagan both times but he was far from the image so many now have of him; imho anyway.......

No....it's not just you.....and, it didn't take long, for the veneer to fade....

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[Mr. Shaman]

You guys just can't seem to get pass the fact that FDR is consistently rated among the top five best presidents.


frontline: the choice 2004: leadership: rating the presidents - washington to clinton | PBS
Ranking the Top Ten Most Influential Presidents
Historical rankings of Presidents of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Historical rankings of United States Presidents

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[Mr. Shaman]

Only in the netherworld of right wing "thinking" could the President who defeated the Nazi's be so maligned.
Since Reagan's "theory" that if you cut rich people's and corporation's taxes and increased military spending you would end up with a "balanced budget", this country has borrowed over twelve trillion dollars.

Yeah.....ReRon & Daddy Bu$h were quite the economists.

How fortunate (for the rest-of-us) that Daddy Bu$h took some o' those winning$ and invested in an MBA, for Lil' Dumbya.


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[Mr. Shaman]

"How 'bout that ECONOMY??!!!"​

 

[Mr. Shaman]

"Feel good" speeches do not make up for a lack of accomplishments.

For Reagan to even be considered to be in the same league as FDR, he would have actually had to have had some real accomplishments.

Ya' GOTTA give him credit for being a record-breaker!!!!

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[theHawk]

He would have had unemployment like this:

1981: 24.9, 1982: 21.7%, 1983: 20.1%, 1984: 16.9%, 1985: 14.3%, 1986: 19.0%, 1987: 17.2%

and he would have let blacks get ebola and have it go untreated for 20 years, just to see what happens.

That's how Progressives measure Greatness

Don't forget serve four terms. Progressives love those dictator types that can't let go of power.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Presidents are rated by the events that occurred during their terms and how they reacted to them. FDR had the depression and WWII, and face it, he needed the war to to get the country out of the depression. Reagan had to clean up the economic and diplomatic mess Carter had put the country in. Reagan defeated the Soviet menace and the threat of war with them. Plus Reagan brought back the feeling of being proud to being an American.

.....And, ReRon was a COWBOY.....don't forget about THAT.....

.....he was a ROOTIN', TOOTIN' COWBOY!!!!!!​

 

[JakeStarkey]

He would have had unemployment like this:

1981: 24.9, 1982: 21.7%, 1983: 20.1%, 1984: 16.9%, 1985: 14.3%, 1986: 19.0%, 1987: 17.2%

and he would have let blacks get ebola and have it go untreated for 20 years, just to see what happens.

That's how Progressives measure Greatness

Don't forget serve four terms. Progressives love those dictator types that can't let go of power.

Such insipidness. No wonder the far right doomed the party in 2008.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

He would have had unemployment like this:

1981: 24.9, 1982: 21.7%, 1983: 20.1%, 1984: 16.9%, 1985: 14.3%, 1986: 19.0%, 1987: 17.2%

and he would have let blacks get ebola and have it go untreated for 20 years, just to see what happens.

That's how Progressives measure Greatness

Don't forget serve four terms. Progressives love those dictator types that can't let go of power.

Read 'n WEEP, Skippy!!!!!!!!!!!

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