For Patriots Only---Back to Basics?

[JustTheFacts]

If the Amish were toting guns around and screaming about the injustices of the federal government their classification as a religious group would be gone in a heart beat. Look at a group like David Koresh's . They Claimed to be a religious organization, but the government treated them like the threat they were.

This group will get the same as whichever of those two groups they more closely emulate.

The Waco incident left a lot of dead mothers and children in the compound after the flame-thrower lit the place up. They really must have been a threat to someone. There were trials due to the actions taken at Waco.

that has absolutely zero to do with this thread. want to debate who was in the wrong, go start a thread I'll be happy to debate with you there.

 

[Politico]

Wow talk about digging up old news.

Patriotic Group To take a lot of people's money and run:

Fixed it for ya.

 

[Two Thumbs]

The Feds will shut this down.

Any community that doesn't follow communism is shut down, violently.

No one is allowed freedom.

 

[Billo_Really]

So they wanna build a Jonestown in Idaho? Fine! Let'em.

They might be a lot of things, but "patriot" is not one of them.

A patriot, supports his country, not separates himself from it.

 

[Two Thumbs]

So they wanna build a Jonestown in Idaho? Fine! Let'em.

They might be a lot of things, but "patriot" is not one of them.

A patriot, supports his country, not separates himself from it.

A patriot doesn't support the failures of the political system or demand others give up their rights.

 

[Billo_Really]

A patriot doesn't support the failures of the political system or demand others give up their rights.

No one is being asked to give up any rights.

And if the political system has failed, that's our fault, not the governments'.

If you want a better government, become a more responsible citizen.

I disagree the system has failed. It needs to be fixed, but it hasn't failed.

Do you (or do you not), have your "one man, one vote"?

As long as you have that, the system still works.

 

[Ravi]

I love it that they've also made "establishment republicans" their enemies.

 

[Two Thumbs]

A patriot doesn't support the failures of the political system or demand others give up their rights.

No one is being asked to give up any rights.

And if the political system has failed, that's our fault, not the governments'.

If you want a better government, become a more responsible citizen.

I disagree the system has failed. It needs to be fixed, but it hasn't failed.

Do you (or do you not), have your "one man, one vote"?

As long as you have that, the system still works.

We both know that's not true.

and of course you don't think the system has failed, it's doing what you want it to do. Destroy freedom and liberty.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I see no problems as long as they follow applicable laws. If they start deciding that certain laws don't apply to them, then they have problems.

Yes, you are right. There will always be the "fringe" element but if there were a judicial system in place, that could deal with `em!!! "Shape up or ship out!"

If this country continues down its current path these people aren't going to be the fringe for very long.

Yep

 

[Two Thumbs]

I love it that they've also made "establishment republicans" their enemies.

with good reason.

Can you name anything that took a cut besides defense?

I can't

 

[bigrebnc1775]

No one is being asked to give up any rights.

And if the political system has failed, that's our fault, not the governments'.

If you want a better government, become a more responsible citizen.

I disagree the system has failed. It needs to be fixed, but it hasn't failed.

Do you (or do you not), have your "one man, one vote"?

As long as you have that, the system still works.

So they wanna build a Jonestown in Idaho? Fine! Let'em.

They might be a lot of things, but "patriot" is not one of them.

A patriot, supports his country, not separates himself from it.

Nazi's were considered patriots to the motherland

 

[freedombecki]

Patriot Group Looks to Create Armed Community in Idaho, Montana, or Wyoming**

**Billings Gazette article by Martin Kidston, Missoulian

The group describes itself as a nonprofit, liberty-driven group that believes in Thomas Jefferson’s Rightful Liberty. Marxists, socialists, liberals and establishment Republicans need not apply, the group says, as they would find life in the community “incompatible with their existing ideology and preferred lifestyles.”

Seriously, Wyoming where 85% of the residents are "established Republicans"? I don' theenk so... And Montana is pretty liberal.

 

[Katzndogz]

This is the natural and probable result of the homeowners association. Liberals have been doing something similar with cohousing developments where there is a communal kitchen, residents provide one another with child care, gardens, little liberal enclaves separate from the evil people who want to be let alone.

It's time for what Americans that remain to create their own spaces too.

 

[Againsheila]

If the Amish were toting guns around and screaming about the injustices of the federal government their classification as a religious group would be gone in a heart beat. Look at a group like David Koresh's . They Claimed to be a religious organization, but the government treated them like the threat they were.

This group will get the same as whichever of those two groups they more closely emulate.

The Waco incident left a lot of dead mothers and children in the compound after the flame-thrower lit the place up. They really must have been a threat to someone. There were trials due to the actions taken at Waco.

that has absolutely zero to do with this thread. want to debate who was in the wrong, go start a thread I'll be happy to debate with you there.

Actually, when you claim that this group will get the same as WACO, I believe that pretty much opens the thread up to a discussion about WACO and it's rights and wrongs.

 

[007]

This is a riot and I wish, in reality, it could work. I would consider it.


Patriotic Group To Build Armed 'Defensible' Neighborhood Fortress:

SNIP:

Patriotic Group To Build Armed 'Defensible' Neighborhood Fortress
By Gregory Gwyn-Williams, Jr.
January 12, 2013
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A group of like-minded patriots, bound together by pride in American exceptionalism, plan on building an armed community to protect their liberty.

The group, named Citadel, intends to purchase 2,000 to 3,000 acres for the project in western Idaho. The community will comprise of 3,500 to 7,000 families of patriotic Americans who "voluntarily choose to live together in accordance with Thomas Jefferson's ideal of Rightful Liberty."

According to the Citadel website, Rightful Liberty means that "neighbors keep their noses out of other neighbors' business, that neighbors live and let live."

Citadel explains that residents in the community will be bound by the following:

Patriotism
Pride in American Exceptionalism
Our proud history of Liberty as defined by our Founding Fathers, and
Physical preparedness to survive and prevail in the face of natural catastrophes --such as Hurricanes Sandy or Katrina -- or man-made catastrophes such as a power grid failure or economic collapse.


SNIP:

"Marxists, Socialists, Liberals and Establishment Republicans will likely find that life in our community is incompatible with their existing ideology and preferred lifestyles."

Read more: Patriotic Group To Build Armed 'Defensible' Neighborhood Fortress | CNS News

I think the CC&R's list would be huge! I am also not sure where they would find space large enough for that many families and support businesses.

Could it work? ... on paper i think it would work, but not sure how it would work in real life.

eh, it could work, I mean the Amish already do it, although their communities are not near as large as they used to be.

The key is though the Amish do so within the legal parameters set by the state they live in as well as the federal government.

These people will be fine unless they try to make a point by ignoring laws they don't like.

I guess you haven't seen Amish Mafia.

 

[JustTheFacts]

The Waco incident left a lot of dead mothers and children in the compound after the flame-thrower lit the place up. They really must have been a threat to someone. There were trials due to the actions taken at Waco.

that has absolutely zero to do with this thread. want to debate who was in the wrong, go start a thread I'll be happy to debate with you there.

Actually, when you claim that this group will get the same as WACO, I believe that pretty much opens the thread up to a discussion about WACO and it's rights and wrongs.

I didnt claim any such thing. I merely pointed to one extreme possibility. I also pointed out the exact opposite extreme possibility.

 

[JustTheFacts]

This is a riot and I wish, in reality, it could work. I would consider it.


Patriotic Group To Build Armed 'Defensible' Neighborhood Fortress:

SNIP:


Patriotic Group To Build Armed 'Defensible' Neighborhood Fortress
By Gregory Gwyn-Williams, Jr.
January 12, 2013
Subscribe to Gregory Gwyn-Williams, Jr.'s posts


A group of like-minded patriots, bound together by pride in American exceptionalism, plan on building an armed community to protect their liberty.

The group, named Citadel, intends to purchase 2,000 to 3,000 acres for the project in western Idaho. The community will comprise of 3,500 to 7,000 families of patriotic Americans who "voluntarily choose to live together in accordance with Thomas Jefferson's ideal of Rightful Liberty."

According to the Citadel website, Rightful Liberty means that "neighbors keep their noses out of other neighbors' business, that neighbors live and let live."

Citadel explains that residents in the community will be bound by the following:

Patriotism
Pride in American Exceptionalism
Our proud history of Liberty as defined by our Founding Fathers, and
Physical preparedness to survive and prevail in the face of natural catastrophes --such as Hurricanes Sandy or Katrina -- or man-made catastrophes such as a power grid failure or economic collapse.


SNIP:

"Marxists, Socialists, Liberals and Establishment Republicans will likely find that life in our community is incompatible with their existing ideology and preferred lifestyles."

Read more: Patriotic Group To Build Armed 'Defensible' Neighborhood Fortress | CNS News

Not a bad idea. Religious groups have been doing this for ages - Jews, Mennonites, Amish, Mormons, etc. HOA's have been set up to clump like minded people together. Don't see anything especially radical about a bunch of right-wingers starting their own community.

Nothing at all as long as they obey all applicable laws. But I have a feeling that isnt their intent.

 

[Billo_Really]

Nazi's were considered patriots to the motherland

Before we get to that point, I'm counting on the difference between average German's and average American's, is the fact that average American's will do something about the problems in our government, by voting out the potential Hitler's in our midst.

BTW, although there are similiarities between us and the nazis (especially in our foreign policy), we have no Adolph's in our government on either side of the aisle, yet.

 

[Billo_Really]

We both know that's not true.

No we both don't know that and why is it not true?

and of course you don't think the system has failed, it's doing what you want it to do. Destroy freedom and liberty.

Why do you think that's what I want?