For Max Power - A Question About Your Sig

[GotZoom]

Here is my final point. About drugs, about alcohol, about pornography and smoking and everything else. What business is it of yours what I do, read, buy, see, say, think, who I fuck, what I take into my body - as long as I do not harm another human being on this planet?
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So all these things should be legal?

Because no one has the right to tell you what you can take into your body - because when you take these things into your body, YOU don't harm anyone?

 

[Mr. P]

Here is my final point. About drugs, about alcohol, about pornography and smoking and everything else. What business is it of yours what I do, read, buy, see, say, think, who I fuck, what I take into my body - as long as I do not harm another human being on this planet?
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So all these things should be legal?

Because no one has the right to tell you what you can take into your body - because when you take these things into your body, YOU don't harm anyone?

Hey, I agree with that. For adults.

 

[Abbey Normal]

Fine, but then people must accept full 100% responsibility for those choices. Many people consider some of the things listed above to be harmful. If people want to do them, have at it; but don't complain, whine, expect financial help, blame anyone else, or sue, when you develop a serious problem, such as lung cancer or AIDS.

Or when your kids start doing the same, or worse.

 

[GotZoom]

But when people abuse it, and it does start to affect others - then what?

I have taken advanced driving courses. I do quite fine driving at 100 mph down the freeway.

Should it be legal for me and not for others?

 

[The ClayTaurus]

But when people abuse it, and it does start to affect others - then what?

I have taken advanced driving courses. I do quite fine driving at 100 mph down the freeway.

Should it be legal for me and not for others?

In this case, abso-freaking-lutely.

 

[Hagbard Celine]

But when people abuse it, and it does start to affect others - then what?

I have taken advanced driving courses. I do quite fine driving at 100 mph down the freeway.

Should it be legal for me and not for others?

Confucius say: bring it down to 79mph and you'll get hassled by the cops less and increase your gas mileage.

 

[Abbey Normal]

But when people abuse it, and it does start to affect others - then what?

I have taken advanced driving courses. I do quite fine driving at 100 mph down the freeway.

Should it be legal for me and not for others?

Zoom, zoom, zoom. Zoomzoomzoomzoomzoom.

 

[GotZoom]

Drinks all around!!!!!!!

 

[Abbey Normal]

Drinks all around!!!!!!!

 

[Max Power]

Here is my final point. About drugs, about alcohol, about pornography and smoking and everything else. What business is it of yours what I do, read, buy, see, say, think, who I fuck, what I take into my body - as long as I do not harm another human being on this planet?
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So all these things should be legal?

Because no one has the right to tell you what you can take into your body - because when you take these things into your body, YOU don't harm anyone?

Yes, that's correct.

Drinking doesn't harm anyone but myself. Drinking then driving puts other people at risk. Does this mean that drinking should be illegal? No, it means that drinking and driving should be illegal.

Ditto for the other drugs. You shouldn't be allowed to take mushrooms then operate heavy machinery.

But when people abuse it, and it does start to affect others - then what?

If some guy takes LSD and then kidnaps a little girl, is his crime any worse than someone who doesn't take LSD and kidnaps a little girl? No. It's not the drugs that are the problem, or what should be illegal.

 

[Abbey Normal]

...If some guy takes LSD and then kidnaps a little girl, is his crime any worse than someone who doesn't take LSD and kidnaps a little girl? No. It's not the drugs that are the problem, or what should be illegal.

What if it were shown that using LSD made it statistically more likely that someone would want to kidnap little girls?

 

[rtwngAvngr]

What about the guy who drinks everyday and then wants healthcare from the government after his liver begins to rot away? Is he affecting others?

 

[Max Power]

What if it were shown that using LSD made it statistically more likely that someone would want to kidnap little girls?

That's the thing about living in a free country (which we don't, obviously).

You're statistically more likely to shoot someone if you have a gun, no? Statistically more likely to run over a pedestrian if you drive a car, right?

We'd all be a lot safer if we all lived in government provided cubicles, eating government provided health food, doing our government provided jobs, but I don't think we want to live like that.

 

[Max Power]

What about the guy who drinks everyday and then wants healthcare from the government after his liver begins to rot away? Is he affecting others?

There is no government health care. I suppose it makes a difference in Canada.

As far as health insurance is concerned, this is why they ask people "do you drink, do you smoke," before they quote you a rate. It's risk analysis.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

That's the thing about living in a free country (which we don't, obviously).

You're statistically more likely to shoot someone if you have a gun, no? Statistically more likely to run over a pedestrian if you drive a car, right?

We'd all be a lot safer if we all lived in government provided cubicles, eating government provided health food, doing our government provided jobs, but I don't think we want to live like that.

Now, that's absurd. Because absurd extremes can be thought of, doesn't mean a little regulation won't be beneficial.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

There is no government health care. I suppose it makes a difference in Canada.

As far as health insurance is concerned, this is why they ask people "do you drink, do you smoke," before they quote you a rate. It's risk analysis.

Medicaire, Medicaid? heard of those?

 

[Abbey Normal]

That's the thing about living in a free country (which we don't, obviously).

You're statistically more likely to shoot someone if you have a gun, no? Statistically more likely to run over a pedestrian if you drive a car, right?

We'd all be a lot safer if we all lived in government provided cubicles, eating government provided health food, doing our government provided jobs, but I don't think we want to live like that.

So you see no difference between recreational drug use, and driving a car or owning a gun to hunt or to protect your home? Of course life will aways involve risk, but we as a society balance that risk with benefit, and have decided that despite the chance that someone could be run over, we need to be able to drive. No one needs LSD or alcohol to get to work or to the grocery store.

 

[The ClayTaurus]

So you see no difference between recreational drug use, and driving a car or owning a gun to hunt or to protect your home? Of course life will aways involve risk, but we as a society balance that risk with benefit, and have decided that despite the chance that someone could be run over, we need to be able to drive. No one needs LSD or alcohol to get to work or to the grocery store.

You would be ok with banning alcohol again?

 

[Abbey Normal]

You would be ok with banning alcohol again?

No, go back to my original post. I said (paraphrasing) that if someone wants to go wild with drugs or alcohol, eat fast food, have sex with many partners, or engage in any high-risk behavior, they shouldn't whine, blame others, expect financial aid, or sue when they fall apart from lung cancer, AIDS, etc. It's easy to want total freedom, but not the responsibility that comes with the consequences.

I also think that if you have children lin your life, you are harming them if you abuse substances. It is no longer "just you" being affected.

 

[The ClayTaurus]

No, go back to my original post. I said (paraphrasing) that if someone wants to go wild with drugs or alcohol, eat fast food, have sex with many partners, or engage in any high-risk behavior, they shouldn't whine, blame others, expect financial aid, or sue when they fall apart from lung cancer, AIDS, etc. It's easy to want total freedom, but not the responsibility that comes with the consequences.

I also think that if you have children lin your life, you are harming them if you abuse substances. It is no longer "just you" being affected.

Oh ok, I'm totally on board then.