For killer, death only answer; inmate says he would decline clemency

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VARNER -- Death row inmate Jack Jones Jr. declined to face the people judging Friday whether he deserves to live, though in a letter he expressed the same sentiments as the day more than 20 years ago when he faced a judge and a murder charge.

He asked the state to kill him.

Jones is scheduled to be put to death April 24 for the 1995 rape and murder of Mary Phillips and the beating of her 11-year-old daughter, Lacy, whom he left for dead.

His execution is among seven set to take place over 11 days this month. A federal judge Thursday blocked the execution of an eighth prisoner.

After the execution dates were set in February, Jones was not among the group who asked that their pleas for clemency be heard by the Arkansas Board of Parole. Jones filed a belated application earlier this week that was accepted by the board, though it was past the deadline.

..."I'm sorry, not only for what I did but for you having to come here," Jones wrote in his letter.

If granted clemency by the governor, Jones wrote that he would decline it.

"There's no way in hell I would spend another day or 20 years in this rat hole," the letter read.
For killer, death only answer; inmate says he would decline clemency

Seven people in 11 days. Wow.
 
If an individual has reached such a low point in their life where they're begging for the state to kill them; than, so be it.
 
The cost to society of maintaining these lost souls through decades of appeals, is just way too high.
Better to dispatch them in a timely manner, and turn the huge amounts of money saved to improving the lot of the poor, from whence most of them arise.
Sure, innocents will inevitably be among those executed, but not nearly as many as the number of innocents killed by violent recidivists.
 
Well some people grow a conscience while in prison and sounds like this convict has too.

Rape and murder is normally special circumstances and gets a death sentence except is extremely "liberal" states like California and NYS.

Murder of Kitty Genovese - Wikipedia
 
If an individual has reached such a low point in their life where they're begging for the state to kill them; than, so be it.

One of the principles of warfare is simply put, don't do what your enemy wants. The business world has embraced the teachings of Sun Tzu, and that applies to Business too. Don't do what your competition wants, because they don't want you to succeed.

In this case, there are two possible reasons for incarcerating criminals. One, rehabilitation. Teaching the criminals not to be criminal any more. Teaching them how to live in the world without committing whatever crime they committed or any other crime ever again.

Reason two. Punishment. Punishment would seem to warrant making the person suffer as long as possible. In which case the death penalty is a poor choice. The reaction listed in the news story is normal. Most people on Death Row want to get it over with. They detest the confinement, and can't stand the isolation. Death is a release.

If we are to accept that death is the ultimate punishment for a crime, then the fact that the condemned want it seems to be a situation where we should deny it. If it is worse to face life in confinement, then give them life in confinement.

Obviously Death is not the punishment we want it to be, it isn't feared, and it isn't going to be swift, ever. The review of the cases is expensive, the taxpayer funds both sides of the legal wrangling. The prosecution, and the defense, are paid for by the people. No such automatic reviews exist for life without possibility of parole. It is therefore much cheaper to just put the guy in prison for the rest of his natural life.

So death isn't the punishment we think it to be, and it's more expensive, then the obvious question is why do it? The only remaining answer is revenge. That isn't much of a reason in my book.
 
If an individual has reached such a low point in their life where they're begging for the state to kill them; than, so be it.

One of the principles of warfare is simply put, don't do what your enemy wants. The business world has embraced the teachings of Sun Tzu, and that applies to Business too. Don't do what your competition wants, because they don't want you to succeed.

In this case, there are two possible reasons for incarcerating criminals. One, rehabilitation. Teaching the criminals not to be criminal any more. Teaching them how to live in the world without committing whatever crime they committed or any other crime ever again.

Reason two. Punishment. Punishment would seem to warrant making the person suffer as long as possible. In which case the death penalty is a poor choice. The reaction listed in the news story is normal. Most people on Death Row want to get it over with. They detest the confinement, and can't stand the isolation. Death is a release.

If we are to accept that death is the ultimate punishment for a crime, then the fact that the condemned want it seems to be a situation where we should deny it. If it is worse to face life in confinement, then give them life in confinement.

Obviously Death is not the punishment we want it to be, it isn't feared, and it isn't going to be swift, ever. The review of the cases is expensive, the taxpayer funds both sides of the legal wrangling. The prosecution, and the defense, are paid for by the people. No such automatic reviews exist for life without possibility of parole. It is therefore much cheaper to just put the guy in prison for the rest of his natural life.

So death isn't the punishment we think it to be, and it's more expensive, then the obvious question is why do it? The only remaining answer is revenge. That isn't much of a reason in my book.

#1 - Who actually believes that most correctional institutions actually rehab?

#2 - Death is not revenge. But, it is a sure-fire method that the selected individual will not re-offend.

#3 - Sun Tzu can go lick a bag o' balls when it comes to the modern day judicial system.
 
If an individual has reached such a low point in their life where they're begging for the state to kill them; than, so be it.

One of the principles of warfare is simply put, don't do what your enemy wants. The business world has embraced the teachings of Sun Tzu, and that applies to Business too. Don't do what your competition wants, because they don't want you to succeed.

In this case, there are two possible reasons for incarcerating criminals. One, rehabilitation. Teaching the criminals not to be criminal any more. Teaching them how to live in the world without committing whatever crime they committed or any other crime ever again.

Reason two. Punishment. Punishment would seem to warrant making the person suffer as long as possible. In which case the death penalty is a poor choice. The reaction listed in the news story is normal. Most people on Death Row want to get it over with. They detest the confinement, and can't stand the isolation. Death is a release.

If we are to accept that death is the ultimate punishment for a crime, then the fact that the condemned want it seems to be a situation where we should deny it. If it is worse to face life in confinement, then give them life in confinement.

Obviously Death is not the punishment we want it to be, it isn't feared, and it isn't going to be swift, ever. The review of the cases is expensive, the taxpayer funds both sides of the legal wrangling. The prosecution, and the defense, are paid for by the people. No such automatic reviews exist for life without possibility of parole. It is therefore much cheaper to just put the guy in prison for the rest of his natural life.

So death isn't the punishment we think it to be, and it's more expensive, then the obvious question is why do it? The only remaining answer is revenge. That isn't much of a reason in my book.

#1 - Who actually believes that most correctional institutions actually rehab?

#2 - Death is not revenge. But, it is a sure-fire method that the selected individual will not re-offend.

#3 - Sun Tzu can go lick a bag o' balls when it comes to the modern day judicial system.

#1) Norway. They have a 20% recidivism rate compared to 75% which is ours.

#2) Yeah. I've heard that excuse too. Tell me how many people Ted Kazinski has blown up since he got to prison for life without parole?

#3) So Sun Tzu applies everywhere but prisons. By any chance were you a French General during World War One in a previous life?
 
If an individual has reached such a low point in their life where they're begging for the state to kill them; than, so be it.

One of the principles of warfare is simply put, don't do what your enemy wants. The business world has embraced the teachings of Sun Tzu, and that applies to Business too. Don't do what your competition wants, because they don't want you to succeed.

In this case, there are two possible reasons for incarcerating criminals. One, rehabilitation. Teaching the criminals not to be criminal any more. Teaching them how to live in the world without committing whatever crime they committed or any other crime ever again.

Reason two. Punishment. Punishment would seem to warrant making the person suffer as long as possible. In which case the death penalty is a poor choice. The reaction listed in the news story is normal. Most people on Death Row want to get it over with. They detest the confinement, and can't stand the isolation. Death is a release.

If we are to accept that death is the ultimate punishment for a crime, then the fact that the condemned want it seems to be a situation where we should deny it. If it is worse to face life in confinement, then give them life in confinement.

Obviously Death is not the punishment we want it to be, it isn't feared, and it isn't going to be swift, ever. The review of the cases is expensive, the taxpayer funds both sides of the legal wrangling. The prosecution, and the defense, are paid for by the people. No such automatic reviews exist for life without possibility of parole. It is therefore much cheaper to just put the guy in prison for the rest of his natural life.

So death isn't the punishment we think it to be, and it's more expensive, then the obvious question is why do it? The only remaining answer is revenge. That isn't much of a reason in my book.

#1 - Who actually believes that most correctional institutions actually rehab?

#2 - Death is not revenge. But, it is a sure-fire method that the selected individual will not re-offend.

#3 - Sun Tzu can go lick a bag o' balls when it comes to the modern day judicial system.

#1) Norway. They have a 20% recidivism rate compared to 75% which is ours.

#2) Yeah. I've heard that excuse too. Tell me how many people Ted Kazinski has blown up since he got to prison for life without parole?

#3) So Sun Tzu applies everywhere but prisons. By any chance were you a French General during World War One in a previous life?

Doncha' just love it when someone loses a debate they start comparing the U.S. to stats in countries like Norway, Luxembourg, etc......................:lmao:...............
 
VARNER -- Death row inmate Jack Jones Jr. declined to face the people judging Friday whether he deserves to live, though in a letter he expressed the same sentiments as the day more than 20 years ago when he faced a judge and a murder charge.

He asked the state to kill him.

Jones is scheduled to be put to death April 24 for the 1995 rape and murder of Mary Phillips and the beating of her 11-year-old daughter, Lacy, whom he left for dead.

His execution is among seven set to take place over 11 days this month. A federal judge Thursday blocked the execution of an eighth prisoner.

After the execution dates were set in February, Jones was not among the group who asked that their pleas for clemency be heard by the Arkansas Board of Parole. Jones filed a belated application earlier this week that was accepted by the board, though it was past the deadline.

..."I'm sorry, not only for what I did but for you having to come here," Jones wrote in his letter.

If granted clemency by the governor, Jones wrote that he would decline it.

"There's no way in hell I would spend another day or 20 years in this rat hole," the letter read.
For killer, death only answer; inmate says he would decline clemency

Seven people in 11 days. Wow.
If his main reason for wanting to be put to death is to not spend another day or 20 years "in a rat hole," then he has yet to repent to God and come to terms with his need for Jesus Christ. While he may believe that by being put to death he will be free of his misery....it will have only just begun... in hell.

Hell will make the "rat hole" he is living in look like the Waldorf. He has no idea of what hell will be like nor does he appear to be concerned about it. What a sad situation this is!
 
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VARNER -- Death row inmate Jack Jones Jr. declined to face the people judging Friday whether he deserves to live, though in a letter he expressed the same sentiments as the day more than 20 years ago when he faced a judge and a murder charge.

He asked the state to kill him.

Jones is scheduled to be put to death April 24 for the 1995 rape and murder of Mary Phillips and the beating of her 11-year-old daughter, Lacy, whom he left for dead.

His execution is among seven set to take place over 11 days this month. A federal judge Thursday blocked the execution of an eighth prisoner.

After the execution dates were set in February, Jones was not among the group who asked that their pleas for clemency be heard by the Arkansas Board of Parole. Jones filed a belated application earlier this week that was accepted by the board, though it was past the deadline.

..."I'm sorry, not only for what I did but for you having to come here," Jones wrote in his letter.

If granted clemency by the governor, Jones wrote that he would decline it.

"There's no way in hell I would spend another day or 20 years in this rat hole," the letter read.
For killer, death only answer; inmate says he would decline clemency

Seven people in 11 days. Wow.
If his main reason for wanting to be put to death is to not spend another day or 20 years "in a rat hole," then he has yet to repent to God and come to terms with his need for Jesus Christ. While he may believe that by being put to death he will be free of his misery....it will have only just begun... in hell.

Hell will make the "rat hole" he is living in look like the Waldorf. He has no idea of what hell will be like nor does he appear to be concerned about it. What a sad situation this is!

Did you read the article?
 
VARNER -- Death row inmate Jack Jones Jr. declined to face the people judging Friday whether he deserves to live, though in a letter he expressed the same sentiments as the day more than 20 years ago when he faced a judge and a murder charge.

He asked the state to kill him.

Jones is scheduled to be put to death April 24 for the 1995 rape and murder of Mary Phillips and the beating of her 11-year-old daughter, Lacy, whom he left for dead.

His execution is among seven set to take place over 11 days this month. A federal judge Thursday blocked the execution of an eighth prisoner.

After the execution dates were set in February, Jones was not among the group who asked that their pleas for clemency be heard by the Arkansas Board of Parole. Jones filed a belated application earlier this week that was accepted by the board, though it was past the deadline.

..."I'm sorry, not only for what I did but for you having to come here," Jones wrote in his letter.

If granted clemency by the governor, Jones wrote that he would decline it.

"There's no way in hell I would spend another day or 20 years in this rat hole," the letter read.
For killer, death only answer; inmate says he would decline clemency

Seven people in 11 days. Wow.
If his main reason for wanting to be put to death is to not spend another day or 20 years "in a rat hole," then he has yet to repent to God and come to terms with his need for Jesus Christ. While he may believe that by being put to death he will be free of his misery....it will have only just begun... in hell.

Hell will make the "rat hole" he is living in look like the Waldorf. He has no idea of what hell will be like nor does he appear to be concerned about it. What a sad situation this is!

Did you read the article?
BoJ has no idea of what is heaven. She, as are all Pentecostals, Evangelicals, and Fundamentalists, gets to worship God in her way. The true mainstream Christians, of course, worship Him in his.
 
If an individual has reached such a low point in their life where they're begging for the state to kill them; than, so be it.

One of the principles of warfare is simply put, don't do what your enemy wants. The business world has embraced the teachings of Sun Tzu, and that applies to Business too. Don't do what your competition wants, because they don't want you to succeed.

In this case, there are two possible reasons for incarcerating criminals. One, rehabilitation. Teaching the criminals not to be criminal any more. Teaching them how to live in the world without committing whatever crime they committed or any other crime ever again.

Reason two. Punishment. Punishment would seem to warrant making the person suffer as long as possible. In which case the death penalty is a poor choice. The reaction listed in the news story is normal. Most people on Death Row want to get it over with. They detest the confinement, and can't stand the isolation. Death is a release.

If we are to accept that death is the ultimate punishment for a crime, then the fact that the condemned want it seems to be a situation where we should deny it. If it is worse to face life in confinement, then give them life in confinement.

Obviously Death is not the punishment we want it to be, it isn't feared, and it isn't going to be swift, ever. The review of the cases is expensive, the taxpayer funds both sides of the legal wrangling. The prosecution, and the defense, are paid for by the people. No such automatic reviews exist for life without possibility of parole. It is therefore much cheaper to just put the guy in prison for the rest of his natural life.

So death isn't the punishment we think it to be, and it's more expensive, then the obvious question is why do it? The only remaining answer is revenge. That isn't much of a reason in my book.

#1 - Who actually believes that most correctional institutions actually rehab?

#2 - Death is not revenge. But, it is a sure-fire method that the selected individual will not re-offend.

#3 - Sun Tzu can go lick a bag o' balls when it comes to the modern day judicial system.

#1) Norway. They have a 20% recidivism rate compared to 75% which is ours.

#2) Yeah. I've heard that excuse too. Tell me how many people Ted Kazinski has blown up since he got to prison for life without parole?

#3) So Sun Tzu applies everywhere but prisons. By any chance were you a French General during World War One in a previous life?

Doncha' just love it when someone loses a debate they start comparing the U.S. to stats in countries like Norway, Luxembourg, etc......................:lmao:...............

Ask a question and you get an answer. It may not be the answer you expect. But get one you do.

Now disqualification of a valid answer isn't what you like. Fine. So we are going to ignore successful programs because they are foreign.

Tell the cops to get rid of their Glocks. Those were designed by Austrians. The Army will have to get rid of their tanks. The Armor was developed by the British. Oh and they will have to part with the machine guns. Those are designed in Belgium by Fabrique National.

Let me guess. That foreign stuff is OK. The mini Bic lighters are from France. The most American cars are built by Honda and Toyota.

The Department of Homeland Security doesn't mind using Helicopters from Germany. The Russians give us rides up to the International Space Station. Most of which was not built or designed by us. Even the Space Shuttle had a foreign robotic arm from Canada.

Funny isn't it that none of these foreign things offend you. But dare mention that someone else has a successful program that doesn't include whipping or feeding the prisoners gruel and suddenly that is off limits.

As for me I'm one of those who wants what works best. I don't care who came up with it or who built it. Deng said it doesn't matter if the cat is black or white so long as it catches mice. I think you would agree with Mao. Mao asked which Capitalist told him that.

Deng understood that results matter more than appearance. Mao agreed with you that appearance mattered far more.

Let me know when you convince everyone to stop using those damned foreign guns and tanks.
 
If an individual has reached such a low point in their life where they're begging for the state to kill them; than, so be it.

One of the principles of warfare is simply put, don't do what your enemy wants. The business world has embraced the teachings of Sun Tzu, and that applies to Business too. Don't do what your competition wants, because they don't want you to succeed.

In this case, there are two possible reasons for incarcerating criminals. One, rehabilitation. Teaching the criminals not to be criminal any more. Teaching them how to live in the world without committing whatever crime they committed or any other crime ever again.

Reason two. Punishment. Punishment would seem to warrant making the person suffer as long as possible. In which case the death penalty is a poor choice. The reaction listed in the news story is normal. Most people on Death Row want to get it over with. They detest the confinement, and can't stand the isolation. Death is a release.

If we are to accept that death is the ultimate punishment for a crime, then the fact that the condemned want it seems to be a situation where we should deny it. If it is worse to face life in confinement, then give them life in confinement.

Obviously Death is not the punishment we want it to be, it isn't feared, and it isn't going to be swift, ever. The review of the cases is expensive, the taxpayer funds both sides of the legal wrangling. The prosecution, and the defense, are paid for by the people. No such automatic reviews exist for life without possibility of parole. It is therefore much cheaper to just put the guy in prison for the rest of his natural life.

So death isn't the punishment we think it to be, and it's more expensive, then the obvious question is why do it? The only remaining answer is revenge. That isn't much of a reason in my book.

#1 - Who actually believes that most correctional institutions actually rehab?

#2 - Death is not revenge. But, it is a sure-fire method that the selected individual will not re-offend.

#3 - Sun Tzu can go lick a bag o' balls when it comes to the modern day judicial system.

#1) Norway. They have a 20% recidivism rate compared to 75% which is ours.

#2) Yeah. I've heard that excuse too. Tell me how many people Ted Kazinski has blown up since he got to prison for life without parole?

#3) So Sun Tzu applies everywhere but prisons. By any chance were you a French General during World War One in a previous life?

Doncha' just love it when someone loses a debate they start comparing the U.S. to stats in countries like Norway, Luxembourg, etc......................:lmao:...............

Ask a question and you get an answer. It may not be the answer you expect. But get one you do.

Now disqualification of a valid answer isn't what you like. Fine. So we are going to ignore successful programs because they are foreign.

Tell the cops to get rid of their Glocks. Those were designed by Austrians. The Army will have to get rid of their tanks. The Armor was developed by the British. Oh and they will have to part with the machine guns. Those are designed in Belgium by Fabrique National.

Let me guess. That foreign stuff is OK. The mini Bic lighters are from France. The most American cars are built by Honda and Toyota.

The Department of Homeland Security doesn't mind using Helicopters from Germany. The Russians give us rides up to the International Space Station. Most of which was not built or designed by us. Even the Space Shuttle had a foreign robotic arm from Canada.

Funny isn't it that none of these foreign things offend you. But dare mention that someone else has a successful program that doesn't include whipping or feeding the prisoners gruel and suddenly that is off limits.

As for me I'm one of those who wants what works best. I don't care who came up with it or who built it. Deng said it doesn't matter if the cat is black or white so long as it catches mice. I think you would agree with Mao. Mao asked which Capitalist told him that.

Deng understood that results matter more than appearance. Mao agreed with you that appearance mattered far more.

Let me know when you convince everyone to stop using those damned foreign guns and tanks.

So, you're a globalist Deng beetle, eh?...............end of inquiry.
 
One of the principles of warfare is simply put, don't do what your enemy wants. The business world has embraced the teachings of Sun Tzu, and that applies to Business too. Don't do what your competition wants, because they don't want you to succeed.

In this case, there are two possible reasons for incarcerating criminals. One, rehabilitation. Teaching the criminals not to be criminal any more. Teaching them how to live in the world without committing whatever crime they committed or any other crime ever again.

Reason two. Punishment. Punishment would seem to warrant making the person suffer as long as possible. In which case the death penalty is a poor choice. The reaction listed in the news story is normal. Most people on Death Row want to get it over with. They detest the confinement, and can't stand the isolation. Death is a release.

If we are to accept that death is the ultimate punishment for a crime, then the fact that the condemned want it seems to be a situation where we should deny it. If it is worse to face life in confinement, then give them life in confinement.

Obviously Death is not the punishment we want it to be, it isn't feared, and it isn't going to be swift, ever. The review of the cases is expensive, the taxpayer funds both sides of the legal wrangling. The prosecution, and the defense, are paid for by the people. No such automatic reviews exist for life without possibility of parole. It is therefore much cheaper to just put the guy in prison for the rest of his natural life.

So death isn't the punishment we think it to be, and it's more expensive, then the obvious question is why do it? The only remaining answer is revenge. That isn't much of a reason in my book.

#1 - Who actually believes that most correctional institutions actually rehab?

#2 - Death is not revenge. But, it is a sure-fire method that the selected individual will not re-offend.

#3 - Sun Tzu can go lick a bag o' balls when it comes to the modern day judicial system.

#1) Norway. They have a 20% recidivism rate compared to 75% which is ours.

#2) Yeah. I've heard that excuse too. Tell me how many people Ted Kazinski has blown up since he got to prison for life without parole?

#3) So Sun Tzu applies everywhere but prisons. By any chance were you a French General during World War One in a previous life?

Doncha' just love it when someone loses a debate they start comparing the U.S. to stats in countries like Norway, Luxembourg, etc......................:lmao:...............

Ask a question and you get an answer. It may not be the answer you expect. But get one you do.

Now disqualification of a valid answer isn't what you like. Fine. So we are going to ignore successful programs because they are foreign.

Tell the cops to get rid of their Glocks. Those were designed by Austrians. The Army will have to get rid of their tanks. The Armor was developed by the British. Oh and they will have to part with the machine guns. Those are designed in Belgium by Fabrique National.

Let me guess. That foreign stuff is OK. The mini Bic lighters are from France. The most American cars are built by Honda and Toyota.

The Department of Homeland Security doesn't mind using Helicopters from Germany. The Russians give us rides up to the International Space Station. Most of which was not built or designed by us. Even the Space Shuttle had a foreign robotic arm from Canada.

Funny isn't it that none of these foreign things offend you. But dare mention that someone else has a successful program that doesn't include whipping or feeding the prisoners gruel and suddenly that is off limits.

As for me I'm one of those who wants what works best. I don't care who came up with it or who built it. Deng said it doesn't matter if the cat is black or white so long as it catches mice. I think you would agree with Mao. Mao asked which Capitalist told him that.

Deng understood that results matter more than appearance. Mao agreed with you that appearance mattered far more.

Let me know when you convince everyone to stop using those damned foreign guns and tanks.

So, you're a globalist Deng beetle, eh?...............end of inquiry.

If it's stupid but it works, it's not stupid.

Murphys laws of combat.
 
The cost to society of maintaining these lost souls through decades of appeals, is just way too high.
Better to dispatch them in a timely manner, and turn the huge amounts of money saved to improving the lot of the poor, from whence most of them arise.
Sure, innocents will inevitably be among those executed, but not nearly as many as the number of innocents killed by violent recidivists.
How many innocent people are you willing to kill in order to sate your bloodlust?
 
VARNER -- Death row inmate Jack Jones Jr. declined to face the people judging Friday whether he deserves to live, though in a letter he expressed the same sentiments as the day more than 20 years ago when he faced a judge and a murder charge.

He asked the state to kill him.

Jones is scheduled to be put to death April 24 for the 1995 rape and murder of Mary Phillips and the beating of her 11-year-old daughter, Lacy, whom he left for dead.

His execution is among seven set to take place over 11 days this month. A federal judge Thursday blocked the execution of an eighth prisoner.

After the execution dates were set in February, Jones was not among the group who asked that their pleas for clemency be heard by the Arkansas Board of Parole. Jones filed a belated application earlier this week that was accepted by the board, though it was past the deadline.

..."I'm sorry, not only for what I did but for you having to come here," Jones wrote in his letter.

If granted clemency by the governor, Jones wrote that he would decline it.

"There's no way in hell I would spend another day or 20 years in this rat hole," the letter read.
For killer, death only answer; inmate says he would decline clemency

Seven people in 11 days. Wow.
His life is so terrible he prefers to die rather than to live... :frown:
If he weren't a killer somebody could feel sorry for him :frown:
Anyway I don't think he will be executed...it seems Arkansas doesn't execute death row inmates since many years...
 

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