For all the whiners!

[Bry]

Originally posted by DKSuddeth
<<The chart also makes clear that, despite popular perceptions, the opposite of fascism is not communism but anarchism (ie liberal socialism), and that the opposite of communism ( i.e. an entirely state-planned economy) is neo-liberalism (i.e. extreme deregulated economy)>>

Someone redefine this please, I was under the impression that Fascism is a state controlled economy through corporatism and that Socialism is a state controlled economy throught ownership by the peoples of that state. I also have a hard time listening to people like Rumsfeld define husseins Baath party as 'evil socialism' when iraq was anything but ruled and owned by the people. I would also think that an extreme deregulated economy is something that the far right capitalists would like to see because of the increase in competition and trade, or is that wrong also?

Ah. must be some error in the tags, 'cause the quote you were referring to didn't show up until I quoted your post.

I guess I don't see Fascism as a state controlled economy so much as an economy controlled state, which isn't exactly in conflict with what you said, but seems to square it in some way with the coordinate plain model. In any case, Fascism on the coordinate plain would tend toward "free" economy, but draconian social restrictions.

It's just a model, and therefore no better than a simplifying aid. We can stretch it as far as we want to make it fit, but in the end, it's not going to find a perfect place for all of the particular states / economies that have come and gone.

Yeah, Rummy is funny.

Obviously, I would argue that it's a misnomer that deregulation promotes increased competition and trade, but even if we accept that notion, we quickly run into problems in policy: most far right capitalists favor any policy which seems to give them an advantage (protectionist international trade policy, for example) which runs against the idea of a purely deregulated economy.

 

[5stringJeff]

Originally posted by Bry
Obviously, I would argue that it's a misnomer that deregulation promotes increased competition and trade, but even if we accept that notion, we quickly run into problems in policy: most far right capitalists favor any policy which seems to give them an advantage (protectionist international trade policy, for example) which runs against the idea of a purely deregulated economy.

Bry,

Actually, most "far right capitalists," like those from the Mises school of thought, would argue that deregulation is the best policy, and that any regulations, including tariffs or protectionism, are bad economic policy. This is where I fall - I don't agree one bit, for example, with Bush's steel tariffs. Perhaps they were politically expidient, and perhaps now that the WTO has struck them down, Bush has made someone else the bad guy, and Bush can get away with getting rid of the tariffs and keep the steel-worker's vote. But IMO it was bad economic policy.

 

[Bry]

cool, jeff, thanks for clarifying that for me. I would still suggest that there are many on the economic right who are less consistent in their application of their own philosophy, but I definitely see your point.

 

[mwbuccs]

Originally posted by Dan
Yea, turns out my mirror was just really dirty.

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