Florida Man Invokes ‘Stand Your Ground’ Law After Shooting Fellow Pizza Customer

[LoneLaugher]

Dumb fuck.

 

[Ravi]

Of course I do.

You could be killed with one punch...or knocked unconscious limiting your ability to defend yourself from a fatal beating.

Don't be foolish...the man who raised his fist is the one in the wrong...period.

This will stand up in court every time.

Never has. Self defense has ALWAYS held the caveat of reasonable force to defend yourself. Escalation of force forfeits your right to self defense and switches self defense to the other person.

It's basic criminal law: you do not have the right to self defense if you're the aggressor. You lose any right to self defense if you escalate the level of force. You lose the right to self defense if the aggressor stops and/or tries to leave and you continue and/or pursue.

What the Stand Your Ground law does is remove any necessity that you try to exit the situation. It gives you the right to fight back with reasonable level of force.

A gun versus fist (that hasn't even hit you yet) is not reasonable.

No true at all.

Police said the Houston-area Valero station clerk was acting in self-defense when 21-year-old Alexander Calloway and two companions tried to enter the store after hours at 3:30 a.m., KHOU-TV reported. Surveillance video released Tuesday by store owner George Hlaiheo shows Calloway first punching the clerk in the face before the clerk pulls out a gun and opens fire.
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You're trying to apply a Florida law to Texas. Not going to work.

 

[Missourian]

with deadly force over a raised fist? no, you don't have that right.

Of course I do.

You could be killed with one punch...or knocked unconscious limiting your ability to defend yourself from a fatal beating.

Don't be foolish...the man who raised his fist is the one in the wrong...period.

This will stand up in court every time.

no, it won't.

especially since the shooter felt he had to lie about the circumstances initially.

he's going to serve time, as he should.

not only did he put his victims life in danger, he also endangered every other person in the area with his reckless behavior.

idiocy like that should never be tolerated, let alone praised.

According to ThinkProgress.

I didn't see that in the actual news article that was linked to.

If it is there, I would change my opinion...only because, if he felt he had to lie, the man wasn't in fear of his life or grave bodily harm.

 

[JKVegas]

Of course I do.

You could be killed with one punch...or knocked unconscious limiting your ability to defend yourself from a fatal beating.

Don't be foolish...the man who raised his fist is the one in the wrong...period.

This will stand up in court every time.

Never has. Self defense has ALWAYS held the caveat of reasonable force to defend yourself. Escalation of force forfeits your right to self defense and switches self defense to the other person.

It's basic criminal law: you do not have the right to self defense if you're the aggressor. You lose any right to self defense if you escalate the level of force. You lose the right to self defense if the aggressor stops and/or tries to leave and you continue and/or pursue.

What the Stand Your Ground law does is remove any necessity that you try to exit the situation. It gives you the right to fight back with reasonable level of force.

A gun versus fist (that hasn't even hit you yet) is not reasonable.

No true at all.

Police said the Houston-area Valero station clerk was acting in self-defense when 21-year-old Alexander Calloway and two companions tried to enter the store after hours at 3:30 a.m., KHOU-TV reported. Surveillance video released Tuesday by store owner George Hlaiheo shows Calloway first punching the clerk in the face before the clerk pulls out a gun and opens fire.
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It was after hours (which would imply more was at hand than a mere confrontation - a possible robbery). Perhaps that's why they came to that conclusion.

The Florida thing was two numbnuts standing in line during normal business hours..

Not the same thing.

 

[Missourian]

Sneezing in one's general direction - Gunplay?
Giving someone a nasty look - Gunplay?
Cutting someone off in traffic - Gunplay?
Swearing - Gunplay?
Dog pooping on your lawn - Gunplay?

So many nuisances ..so few bullets.

Ridiculous hyperbole and you know it.

 

[Stephanie]

Take anything from Thinkprogess at your own risk..

they have been known to make up stuff and got busted for it when Bush was President..

just a heads up

 

[ogibillm]

Sneezing in one's general direction - Gunplay?
Giving someone a nasty look - Gunplay?
Cutting someone off in traffic - Gunplay?
Swearing - Gunplay?
Dog pooping on your lawn - Gunplay?

So many nuisances ..so few bullets.

Ridiculous hyperbole and you know it.

so it's crazy to blow something way out of proportion?

like maybe shooting a man, twice, because you think he might have been about to hit you?
that's not crazy?

 

[Missourian]

Broke back Mountain is making a lot more sense now.

Translation from "real man of the left" into standard English: "I cannot defend this...but I have to say something."

I would reply to this, but you might not like what I have to say and shoot me. Must be getting cold up on Brokeback Mountain, you should put some jeans on under those chaps.

Sorry "real man", I'm not defending the savage that threatened to beat a man over what he said.

Just be honest. That's all I ask.

I'm being honest with you.

Trying to be clever and slick is stupid and fools no one...debate the facts or admit you cannot.

 

[Meathead]

Take anything from Thinkprogess at your own risk..

they have been known to make up stuff and got busted for it when Bush was President..

just a heads up

Left and right-wing sights take any story, and thanks to current media can take a hugely disproportionate state relative to actual relevance. They are then quickly forgotten about.

I've no idea about this one, but I've seen it before.

 

[Missourian]

Sneezing in one's general direction - Gunplay?
Giving someone a nasty look - Gunplay?
Cutting someone off in traffic - Gunplay?
Swearing - Gunplay?
Dog pooping on your lawn - Gunplay?

So many nuisances ..so few bullets.

Ridiculous hyperbole and you know it.

so it's crazy to blow something way out of proportion?

like maybe shooting a man, twice, because you think he might have been about to hit you?
that's not crazy?

Violence is violence.

I look at this situation from a different perspective than you do.

Are you defending a mans right to beat another man?

Perhaps kill him? Perhaps maim him?

Every situation is different. But I have the right to defend myself from violence...period. End of discussion.

I don't think that is blowing things out of proportion at all.

The only point you've made that I agree with is the risk to innocent bystanders.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Ridiculous hyperbole and you know it.

so it's crazy to blow something way out of proportion?

like maybe shooting a man, twice, because you think he might have been about to hit you?
that's not crazy?

Violence is violence.

I look at this situation from a different perspective than you do.

Are you defending a mans right to beat another man?

Perhaps kill him? Perhaps maim him?

Every situation is different. But I have the right to defend myself from violence...period. End of discussion.

I don't think that is blowing things out of proportion at all.

The only point you've made that I agree with is the risk to innocent bystanders.

If you shoot an unarmed person, you are a pussy.

If you really cannot handle yourself in a fight and must carry a weapon to ease your fear.......and you feel threatened by an UNARMED person....fire a bullet into the ceiling. The meanie will probably leave you alone. Pussy.

 

[ogibillm]

Ridiculous hyperbole and you know it.

so it's crazy to blow something way out of proportion?

like maybe shooting a man, twice, because you think he might have been about to hit you?
that's not crazy?

Violence is violence.

I look at this situation from a different perspective than you do.

Are you defending a mans right to beat another man?

Perhaps kill him? Perhaps maim him?

Every situation is different. But I have the right to defend myself from violence...period. End of discussion.

I don't think that is blowing things out of proportion at all.

The only point you've made that I agree with is the risk to innocent bystanders.

yes, of course you can defend yourself from violence - but not all violence is equal. a punch in the nose is not equal to a bullet in the gut.

and consider this argument from the other side. Man is in front of another, guy behind him is getting belligerent, shoves you around a bit, you defend yourself by pulling back your fist, and he shoots you twice.

and i'm sorry, but you never have the right to defend yourself against a bloody nose with bullets. never.

 

[Missourian]

so it's crazy to blow something way out of proportion?

like maybe shooting a man, twice, because you think he might have been about to hit you?
that's not crazy?

Violence is violence.

I look at this situation from a different perspective than you do.

Are you defending a mans right to beat another man?

Perhaps kill him? Perhaps maim him?

Every situation is different. But I have the right to defend myself from violence...period. End of discussion.

I don't think that is blowing things out of proportion at all.

The only point you've made that I agree with is the risk to innocent bystanders.

yes, of course you can defend yourself from violence - but not all violence is equal. a punch in the nose is not equal to a bullet in the gut.

and consider this argument from the other side. Man is in front of another, guy behind him is getting belligerent, shoves you around a bit, you defend yourself by pulling back your fist, and he shoots you twice.

and i'm sorry, but you never have the right to defend yourself against a bloody nose with bullets. never.

You cannot guarantee that it will just be a bloody nose.

This is the problem with initiating violence...the outcome is unpredictable.


Just the first of many search results https://www.google.com/search?q=mod...e118819f5e1e5b&bpcl=40096503&biw=1280&bih=860

LAS VEGAS — A tourist from Florida was jailed on a murder charge Wednesday in the death of a Utah man who died after a one-punch fight between two tourists inside a Las Vegas Strip casino.


Benjamin G. Hawkins, 37, of Gainesville, Fla., was arrested shortly after the 12:45 a.m. Wednesday slaying.



It followed an exchange of words in a restroom at O'Sheas Las Vegas Casino, police homicide Lt. Lewis Roberts said.
It wasn't clear which man was the aggressor before the Utah man was felled by a single punch to the face.


Man killed by one punch in Vegas casino brawl - CBS News

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[Meathead]

yes, of course you can defend yourself from violence - but not all violence is equal. a punch in the nose is not equal to a bullet in the gut.

.

Law, to be just, must be nuanced to where intent to cause grievous bodily harm.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Meet an asshole. Manageable problem.
Meet a chickenshit asshole with a gun, Unmanageable problem.

Simple.

 

[NoNukes]

Translation from "real man of the left" into standard English: "I cannot defend this...but I have to say something."

I would reply to this, but you might not like what I have to say and shoot me. Must be getting cold up on Brokeback Mountain, you should put some jeans on under those chaps.

Sorry "real man", I'm not defending the savage that threatened to beat a man over what he said.

Just be honest. That's all I ask.

I'm being honest with you.

Trying to be clever and slick is stupid and fools no one...debate the facts or admit you cannot.

It is senseless attempting to debate a subject with someone who thinks it is OK to shoot someone who MIGHT punch him. You just get deeper and deeper into your stupid argument. Simple common sense tells you how wrong your thinking is, common sense is obviously something that you lack. If you think a person MIGHT hit you, either stand up to them with equal force or walk away. And walking away is not surrender, sometimes an asshole just is not worth your bother.

What sounds clever and slick to you is just a normal joke to the rest of us.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Who is debating? I'm just here to make sure that these pussies know that they are seen as pussies.

 

[Sallow]

Sneezing in one's general direction - Gunplay?
Giving someone a nasty look - Gunplay?
Cutting someone off in traffic - Gunplay?
Swearing - Gunplay?
Dog pooping on your lawn - Gunplay?

So many nuisances ..so few bullets.

Ridiculous hyperbole and you know it.

It absolutely is not.

The "slippery slope" you guys refer to is happening in reverse in terms of gun ownership. After winning so many victories on the gun front, you folks went even further and put into law "the right" to shoot people outside your home if you feel "threatened".

That along with concealed carry is patently ridiculous.

 

[NoNukes]

Violence is violence.

I look at this situation from a different perspective than you do.

Are you defending a mans right to beat another man?

Perhaps kill him? Perhaps maim him?

Every situation is different. But I have the right to defend myself from violence...period. End of discussion.

I don't think that is blowing things out of proportion at all.

The only point you've made that I agree with is the risk to innocent bystanders.

yes, of course you can defend yourself from violence - but not all violence is equal. a punch in the nose is not equal to a bullet in the gut.

and consider this argument from the other side. Man is in front of another, guy behind him is getting belligerent, shoves you around a bit, you defend yourself by pulling back your fist, and he shoots you twice.

and i'm sorry, but you never have the right to defend yourself against a bloody nose with bullets. never.

You cannot guarantee that it will just be a bloody nose.

This is the problem with initiating violence...the outcome is unpredictable.


Just the first of many search results https://www.google.com/search?q=mod...e118819f5e1e5b&bpcl=40096503&biw=1280&bih=860

LAS VEGAS — A tourist from Florida was jailed on a murder charge Wednesday in the death of a Utah man who died after a one-punch fight between two tourists inside a Las Vegas Strip casino.


Benjamin G. Hawkins, 37, of Gainesville, Fla., was arrested shortly after the 12:45 a.m. Wednesday slaying.



It followed an exchange of words in a restroom at O'Sheas Las Vegas Casino, police homicide Lt. Lewis Roberts said.
It wasn't clear which man was the aggressor before the Utah man was felled by a single punch to the face.


Man killed by one punch in Vegas casino brawl - CBS News

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He might punch you and knock you back into the person behind you that creates a domino effect of bodies falling backwards into the busboy with a tray of dirty dishes and the dishes crash everywhere and the tray hits a policeman who was drawing his firearm at the disturbance and the firearm discharged hitting a mother of 6 and killing her.

Hell, you had to shoot the dude to save the mother of 6.

 

[Missourian]

I would reply to this, but you might not like what I have to say and shoot me. Must be getting cold up on Brokeback Mountain, you should put some jeans on under those chaps.

Sorry "real man", I'm not defending the savage that threatened to beat a man over what he said.

Just be honest. That's all I ask.

I'm being honest with you.

Trying to be clever and slick is stupid and fools no one...debate the facts or admit you cannot.

It is senseless attempting to debate a subject with someone who thinks it is OK to shoot someone who MIGHT punch him. You just get deeper and deeper into your stupid argument. Simple common sense tells you how wrong your thinking is, common sense is obviously something that you lack. If you think a person MIGHT hit you, either stand up to them with equal force or walk away.

HOUSTON—Jurors in Harris County have convicted a man of misdemeanor assault for punching a high school soccer coach who later died after his head hit the pavement.

The Houston Chronicle reports Ronald Newman was found guilty Monday in the January 2011 attack on Stratford High’s Christopher Matthews. The 53-year-old Newman was sentenced to one year in jail.

Matthews, the girls soccer coach, had been celebrating a victory at a restaurant with friends, colleagues and his wife. He was walking the mother of one of the team members to her car when that woman’s husband, Newman, confronted him. Newman punched the 33-year-old Matthews, who died at the hospital days after losing consciousness.

http://www.khou.com/news/local/Man-...hool-coach-gets-1-year-in-jail-172304601.html

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And walking away is not surrender, sometimes an asshole just is not worth your bother.

I agree with this....if it is possible.

Didn't sound like it was if the aggressor is about to hit you.