Florida Governor Again Caves In to the Race Hustlers

[protectionist]

In another act of political cowardice, (as in the Zimmerman case), Florida Governor Rick Scott has caved in to those who think Florida politics should be tailored to their special interest. Black politicians put pressure on Scott to deny 3 Florida Confederate veterans, a place in the state's Veterans' Hall of Fame memorial in the state capitol.

The three Confederate veterans were Edward Perry, a former governor; David Lang, who after the Civil War oversaw the reorganization of the state militia into the National Guard; and Samuel Pasco, a former U.S. senator and the namesake of Pasco County.

The excuse given by Scott and his lap dogs is that to be eligible, you have to be a military veteran of Florida ... have been honorably discharged, and played a significant part in the history of the state. These men do meet all these criteria. They are being stonewalled purely by the same pushy belligerence we see so often nowadays from Black radicals, who seem to demand that the whole country adjust everything to meet their agendas.

Here's some of the rather unbalanced complaints put foward by them >>

Adora Obi Nweze, president of NAACP Florida State Conference and Miami-Dade Branch, said she's "frankly appalled" by the effort.
"The Confederacy fought to tear apart our country, in support of savage slavery, in a misguided, hateful attempt to uphold that abomination," she said in a statement, "[and] to have these men honored in a memorial at the state Capitol for their service on the wrong side of history, would be an injustice to the descendants of enslaved Americans and an insult to all Americans who have bravely served our country with honor."
Army veteran Dale Landry, president of the NAACP chapter in Tallahassee, told Capitol News Service in Florida that extending the honor up to Confederate veterans opens up the door to other militaries that fought against the United States.
"The Japanese military, the Japanese army, the Japanese navy, you see? The Germans, the Nazis. I'm sorry, but that's the same to me," Landry said.

What absurdities. The Confederate soldiers were Americans, no matter how distasteful that fact may be to these rabble-rousers. And it is an insult to them and their descendants, and the descendants of all Confederate soldiers, to somehow redefine them as non-Americans, comparable to German Nazis and Japs of World War II. The US govt defined them as US veterans in 1958, and at that time extended all VA benefits to their survivors (no Civil War veterans, North or South, remained alive by 1958).

The Sons of Confederate Veterans, a national group founded in Richmond, Virginia, and based in Columbia, Tennessee, say the recognition isn't about defending slavery, but honoring those who answered their country's call. I agree. This honor of the Florida Veterans' Hall of Fame memorial, is about the men who served, not about the politics behind it, which came from politicians, who, for the most part, did not serve. What will Americans 100 years from now say about the Vietnam Veterans ? That they should not be honored for having served (58,000 were killed), because of a disapproval of that war's politics ?

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2...l-of-fame.html

 

[Ravi]

They weren't Americans while they were confederate soldiers.

 

[protectionist]

They weren't Americans while they were confederate soldiers.

Yes they were. They were Americans as much as any American who has ever lived. They were the Confederate States of AMERICA. And Americans don't suddenly stop being Americans, just because somebody doesn't like them.

And the Florida Veteran's Hall of Fame memorial is one that is for veterans of Florida, not the US as a whole.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"They are being stonewalled purely by the same pushy belligerence we see so often nowadays from Black radicals, who seem to demand that the whole country adjust everything to meet their agendas."

Once cannot expect 'clean debate' when his thread premise fails because it is predicated on lies, hate, and ignorance.

 

[Freewill]

They weren't Americans while they were confederate soldiers.

Yes they were. They were Americans as much as any American who has ever lived. They were the Confederate States of AMERICA. And Americans don't suddenly stop being Americans, just because somebody doesn't like them.

And the Florida Veteran's Hall of Fame memorial is one that is for veterans of Florida, not the US as a whole.

They quit being Americans when they took up arms against America and ATTACKED America. It is BS to honor those who fought to preserve slavery, pure BS.

 

[Ravi]

They weren't Americans while they were confederate soldiers.

Yes they were. They were Americans as much as any American who has ever lived. They were the Confederate States of AMERICA. And Americans don't suddenly stop being Americans, just because somebody doesn't like them.

And the Florida Veteran's Hall of Fame memorial is one that is for veterans of Florida, not the US as a whole.

They stopped being Americans when they seceded.

Why would Florida honor traitors anyway? I'm really surprised that Governor Toad wouldn't do it. One small good thing about him, though he'll probably cave to the whining. Do you live in Floriduh?

 

[protectionist]

Once cannot expect 'clean debate' when his thread premise fails because it is predicated on lies, hate, and ignorance.

Says the coward whose own ignorance prevented him from taking the Islamization Quiz, thereby relegating him to a grade of ZERO on that. So now, once again, we see empty, hollow, ad hominem attack, in place of clean, honest debate. Ho hum. Was to be expected. No surprise.
Also no surprise to see a violation of forum rules from the non-debater, with personal attacks, name calling, flaming in the Clean Debate Zone.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

This does not belong in CDZ. Moving to Current Events.

 

[protectionist]

They weren't Americans while they were confederate soldiers.

Yes they were. They were Americans as much as any American who has ever lived. They were the Confederate States of AMERICA. And Americans don't suddenly stop being Americans, just because somebody doesn't like them.

And the Florida Veteran's Hall of Fame memorial is one that is for veterans of Florida, not the US as a whole.

They quit being Americans when they took up arms against America and ATTACKED America. It is BS to honor those who fought to preserve slavery, pure BS.

1. The WERE America.

2. They, in self defense, took up arms against a part of America which chose to take up arms against another part of America (them). The Union left its home base and attacked them at their home base (the South). They fought against that invasion, not for slavery. Almost no southern soldiers has slaves. Many lived in mountainous areas of the South, were slavery did not exist. Many were illiterate, and didn't even know slavery existed.

3. Only a minority of very rich southerners had slaves, while most southern soldiers were so poor, they went to the battlefields barefoot. The lucky ones who got uniforms, including boots, were known to have said > "This is the best set of clothes I've ever owned."

4. You ought to be ashamed of yourself for insulting American veterans they way you are.

 

[bucs90]

Living in Charleston. ..which was ground zero of the Civil War and major area of the Revolutionary War...im blessed to have so many opportunities to see and learn about history here. And its always very fair when presented by locals...not what outsiders would expect.


One issue to remember about Southern soldiers is how brainwashed they were. No internet. Only about 3% of Southerners owned slaves...they were mostly the rich.

So..like today....the elite needed peasants to fight a brutal war for them. So even though almost none of them owned slaves...Southern men took up arms against what they truly thought was an act of federal violence an d aggression.

They were wrong of course...but they didnt know that. In their minds...they were fighting what they had been brainwashed into believing was an out of control and violently aggressive federal government.

So its complicated. Was the nobility and honor of a Southern infantryman immoral? I dont think so. I dont think most knew what they were truly fighting for.

The wealthy elite knew. But in those days...if you owned local news and local churches...you could brainwash anyone because that was all they knew.

 

[protectionist]

This does not belong in CDZ. Moving to Current Events.

The definition given by the forum of the Clean Debate Zone is > "clean debating of Government Policies, Candidates, Current News and Events ONLY." When the Florida governor refused the veterans a place in the Florida Veterans Hall of Fame,a couple of days ago, that was a Government Policy, which is current news. So how does this OP not meet that definition ? Please justify this move, as it appears to not have justification.

 

[bucs90]

I mean put yourself in their shoes. You're poor and a farmer or fisherman. Then...the local elite come home from up North and tell you that the Feds want your land. AND...they're marching South to take it by force...and burn your home...and have been raping women and children and slaughtering precious herds of farm animals in the path.

Without knowing otherwise...youd organize to fight also. And wouldnt know what the true purpose was. Especially when General Sherman promised exactly this type of brutality on ALL Southerners.

Very few Confederate soldiers had any stake in slavery.

 

[NLT]

They weren't Americans while they were confederate soldiers.

Yes they were. They were Americans as much as any American who has ever lived. They were the Confederate States of AMERICA. And Americans don't suddenly stop being Americans, just because somebody doesn't like them.

And the Florida Veteran's Hall of Fame memorial is one that is for veterans of Florida, not the US as a whole.

They stopped being Americans when they seceded.

Why would Florida honor traitors anyway? I'm really surprised that Governor Toad wouldn't do it. One small good thing about him, though he'll probably cave to the whining. Do you live in Floriduh?

Ravi u r a bad girl

 

[reconmark]

They weren't Americans while they were confederate soldiers.

Yes they were. They were Americans as much as any American who has ever lived. They were the Confederate States of AMERICA. And Americans don't suddenly stop being Americans, just because somebody doesn't like them.

And the Florida Veteran's Hall of Fame memorial is one that is for veterans of Florida, not the US as a whole.

The above post proclaims the stupidity of your position far more than any poster could...
Fuck those traitorous assholes, may they writhe in hell fire for eternity...

 

[reconmark]

They weren't Americans while they were confederate soldiers.

Yes they were. They were Americans as much as any American who has ever lived. They were the Confederate States of AMERICA. And Americans don't suddenly stop being Americans, just because somebody doesn't like them.

And the Florida Veteran's Hall of Fame memorial is one that is for veterans of Florida, not the US as a whole.

They quit being Americans when they took up arms against America and ATTACKED America. It is BS to honor those who fought to preserve slavery, pure BS.

1. The WERE America.

2. They, in self defense, took up arms against a part of America which chose to take up arms against another part of America (them). The Union left its home base and attacked them at their home base (the South). They fought against that invasion, not for slavery. Almost no southern soldiers has slaves. Many lived in mountainous areas of the South, were slavery did not exist. Many were illiterate, and didn't even know slavery existed.

3. Only a minority of very rich southerners had slaves, while most southern soldiers were so poor, they went to the battlefields barefoot. The lucky ones who got uniforms, including boots, were known to have said > "This is the best set of clothes I've ever owned."

4. You ought to be ashamed of yourself for insulting American veterans they way you are.

"The Union left it's home"
You senile old fool, keep posting like this and the charge Nurse will limit your day room privileges...

 

[Asclepias]

In another act of political cowardice, (as in the Zimmerman case), Florida Governor Rick Scott has caved in to those who think Florida politics should be tailored to their special interest. Black politicians put pressure on Scott to deny 3 Florida Confederate veterans, a place in the state's Veterans' Hall of Fame memorial in the state capitol.

The three Confederate veterans were Edward Perry, a former governor; David Lang, who after the Civil War oversaw the reorganization of the state militia into the National Guard; and Samuel Pasco, a former U.S. senator and the namesake of Pasco County.

The excuse given by Scott and his lap dogs is that to be eligible, you have to be a military veteran of Florida ... have been honorably discharged, and played a significant part in the history of the state. These men do meet all these criteria. They are being stonewalled purely by the same pushy belligerence we see so often nowadays from Black radicals, who seem to demand that the whole country adjust everything to meet their agendas.

Here's some of the rather unbalanced complaints put foward by them >>

Adora Obi Nweze, president of NAACP Florida State Conference and Miami-Dade Branch, said she's "frankly appalled" by the effort.
"The Confederacy fought to tear apart our country, in support of savage slavery, in a misguided, hateful attempt to uphold that abomination," she said in a statement, "[and] to have these men honored in a memorial at the state Capitol for their service on the wrong side of history, would be an injustice to the descendants of enslaved Americans and an insult to all Americans who have bravely served our country with honor."
Army veteran Dale Landry, president of the NAACP chapter in Tallahassee, told Capitol News Service in Florida that extending the honor up to Confederate veterans opens up the door to other militaries that fought against the United States.
"The Japanese military, the Japanese army, the Japanese navy, you see? The Germans, the Nazis. I'm sorry, but that's the same to me," Landry said.

What absurdities. The Confederate soldiers were Americans, no matter how distasteful that fact may be to these rabble-rousers. And it is an insult to them and their descendants, and the descendants of all Confederate soldiers, to somehow redefine them as non-Americans, comparable to German Nazis and Japs of World War II. The US govt defined them as US veterans in 1958, and at that time extended all VA benefits to their survivors (no Civil War veterans, North or South, remained alive by 1958).

The Sons of Confederate Veterans, a national group founded in Richmond, Virginia, and based in Columbia, Tennessee, say the recognition isn't about defending slavery, but honoring those who answered their country's call. I agree. This honor of the Florida Veterans' Hall of Fame memorial, is about the men who served, not about the politics behind it, which came from politicians, who, for the most part, did not serve. What will Americans 100 years from now say about the Vietnam Veterans ? That they should not be honored for having served (58,000 were killed), because of a disapproval of that war's politics ?

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2...l-of-fame.html

Good job. We shouldnt be honoring losers and traitors anyway. Hopefully someone pisses on their graves for good measure.

 

[protectionist]

Living in Charleston. ..which was ground zero of the Civil War and major area of the Revolutionary War...im blessed to have so many opportunities to see and learn about history here. And its always very fair when presented by locals...not what outsiders would expect.


One issue to remember about Southern soldiers is how brainwashed they were. No internet. Only about 3% of Southerners owned slaves...they were mostly the rich.

So..like today....the elite needed peasants to fight a brutal war for them. So even though almost none of them owned slaves...Southern men took up arms against what they truly thought was an act of federal violence an d aggression.

They were wrong of course...but they didnt know that. In their minds...they were fighting what they had been brainwashed into believing was an out of control and violently aggressive federal government.

So its complicated. Was the nobility and honor of a Southern infantryman immoral? I dont think so. I dont think most knew what they were truly fighting for.

The wealthy elite knew. But in those days...if you owned local news and local churches...you could brainwash anyone because that was all they knew.

It was similar to the Vietnam War. I was a soldier during that time period (1964-1969). Few of my platoonmates knew the politics surrounding the war, and neither did most Americans. It wasn't until well after the war and the smoke had cleared, that people began to see how wrong the whole thing was. Even today i still hear fools saying things like > "We could've won if our hands hadn't been tied."

In the case of the Civil War, whatever th politics may have been (which most soldiers didn't know about), it can't be denied that it was fought in the South, and it was the North that invaded the South, not the other way around.

 

[protectionist]

They weren't Americans while they were confederate soldiers.

Yes they were. They were Americans as much as any American who has ever lived. They were the Confederate States of AMERICA. And Americans don't suddenly stop being Americans, just because somebody doesn't like them.

And the Florida Veteran's Hall of Fame memorial is one that is for veterans of Florida, not the US as a whole.

They quit being Americans when they took up arms against America and ATTACKED America. It is BS to honor those who fought to preserve slavery, pure BS.

1. The WERE America.

2. They, in self defense, took up arms against a part of America which chose to take up arms against another part of America (them). The Union left its home base and attacked them at their home base (the South). They fought against that invasion, not for slavery. Almost no southern soldiers has slaves. Many lived in mountainous areas of the South, were slavery did not exist. Many were illiterate, and didn't even know slavery existed.

3. Only a minority of very rich southerners had slaves, while most southern soldiers were so poor, they went to the battlefields barefoot. The lucky ones who got uniforms, including boots, were known to have said > "This is the best set of clothes I've ever owned."

4. You ought to be ashamed of yourself for insulting American veterans they way you are.

"The Union left it's home"
You senile old fool, keep posting like this and the charge Nurse will limit your day room privileges...

NO need to demonstrate your age bigotry. We know you hypocrites are out there.

Generally, he who goes to the other for conflict, bears responsibility to some degree for that conflict. This is a foundation of law. The fool is the one who doesn't know that.

 

[Ravi]

They weren't Americans while they were confederate soldiers.

Yes they were. They were Americans as much as any American who has ever lived. They were the Confederate States of AMERICA. And Americans don't suddenly stop being Americans, just because somebody doesn't like them.

And the Florida Veteran's Hall of Fame memorial is one that is for veterans of Florida, not the US as a whole.

They quit being Americans when they took up arms against America and ATTACKED America. It is BS to honor those who fought to preserve slavery, pure BS.

1. The WERE America.

2. They, in self defense, took up arms against a part of America which chose to take up arms against another part of America (them). The Union left its home base and attacked them at their home base (the South). They fought against that invasion, not for slavery. Almost no southern soldiers has slaves. Many lived in mountainous areas of the South, were slavery did not exist. Many were illiterate, and didn't even know slavery existed.

3. Only a minority of very rich southerners had slaves, while most southern soldiers were so poor, they went to the battlefields barefoot. The lucky ones who got uniforms, including boots, were known to have said > "This is the best set of clothes I've ever owned."

4. You ought to be ashamed of yourself for insulting American veterans they way you are.

"The Union left it's home"
You senile old fool, keep posting like this and the charge Nurse will limit your day room privileges...

NO need to demonstrate your age bigotry. We know you hypocrites are out there.

So, do you live in Floriduh or not?

 

[reconmark]

They weren't Americans while they were confederate soldiers.

Yes they were. They were Americans as much as any American who has ever lived. They were the Confederate States of AMERICA. And Americans don't suddenly stop being Americans, just because somebody doesn't like them.

And the Florida Veteran's Hall of Fame memorial is one that is for veterans of Florida, not the US as a whole.

They quit being Americans when they took up arms against America and ATTACKED America. It is BS to honor those who fought to preserve slavery, pure BS.

1. The WERE America.

2. They, in self defense, took up arms against a part of America which chose to take up arms against another part of America (them). The Union left its home base and attacked them at their home base (the South). They fought against that invasion, not for slavery. Almost no southern soldiers has slaves. Many lived in mountainous areas of the South, were slavery did not exist. Many were illiterate, and didn't even know slavery existed.

3. Only a minority of very rich southerners had slaves, while most southern soldiers were so poor, they went to the battlefields barefoot. The lucky ones who got uniforms, including boots, were known to have said > "This is the best set of clothes I've ever owned."

4. You ought to be ashamed of yourself for insulting American veterans they way you are.

"The Union left it's home"
You senile old fool, keep posting like this and the charge Nurse will limit your day room privileges...

NO need to demonstrate your age bigotry. We know you hypocrites are out there.

Generally, he who goes to the other for conflict, bears responsibility to some degree for that conflict. This is a foundation of law. The fool is the one who doesn't know that.

You stupid palsy ridden termite..."The Union left it's home"
This country called the Unites States of America is the Union's home...
Proof that your Metamucil enemas aren't working...