Florida Court, Teachers don't have First Amendment Rights

[teapartysamurai]

Florida Pastor to Defy Prayer Ban

A standoff over prayers at a school flagpole is looming between a longtime Baptist preacher and a Florida public school system.

Ron Baker, the pastor of Russell Baptist Church in Green Cove Springs, said he plans to keep on praying, regardless of what happens.

“Did you ever think that in America you’d be in trouble for praying at the flag?” Baker told Fox News. “It’s disturbing.”

Baker was referring to a legal opinion submitted by the Clay County School Board’s attorney and published in Jacksonville.com. The attorney determined that a series of prayers on the grounds of four schools was a violation of the U.S. Constitution. The attorney further declared that the prayers were a clear endorsement of religion and Christianity.

“It is a violation of the United States Constitution for a teacher, school administrator or other school district employee to join in a prayer session during their work time,” wrote J. Bruce Bickner in a story that appeared on Jacksonville.com.

Florida Pastor to Defy Prayer Ban | FOX News & Commentary: Todd Starnes

Really? It's a violation of the Constitution? Where? In the so called "Separation of Church and State that is NO WHERE IN THE CONSTITUION??

So, according to the court, Teachers don't have first amendment rights. Thank you liberals!

 

[paperview]

Oh geeze. Here we go again.

 

[teapartysamurai]

Oh geeze. Here we go again.

Yeah, can't discuss matters that get in the way of liberal control.

 

[Jackson]

Florida Pastor to Defy Prayer Ban

A standoff over prayers at a school flagpole is looming between a longtime Baptist preacher and a Florida public school system.

Ron Baker, the pastor of Russell Baptist Church in Green Cove Springs, said he plans to keep on praying, regardless of what happens.

“Did you ever think that in America you’d be in trouble for praying at the flag?” Baker told Fox News. “It’s disturbing.”

Baker was referring to a legal opinion submitted by the Clay County School Board’s attorney and published in Jacksonville.com. The attorney determined that a series of prayers on the grounds of four schools was a violation of the U.S. Constitution. The attorney further declared that the prayers were a clear endorsement of religion and Christianity.

“It is a violation of the United States Constitution for a teacher, school administrator or other school district employee to join in a prayer session during their work time,” wrote J. Bruce Bickner in a story that appeared on Jacksonville.com.

Florida Pastor to Defy Prayer Ban | FOX News & Commentary: Todd Starnes

Really? It's a violation of the Constitution? Where? In the so called "Separation of Church and State that is NO WHERE IN THE CONSTITUION??

So, according to the court, Teachers don't have first amendment rights. Thank you liberals!

I can't agree with you although I would like to, samurai. The teacher can pray at any free time she has from the children. Just as anyone from a completely different faith can do their praying in private when they have the chance. Freedom to pray is not restricted, just not appropriate with the students.

 

[teapartysamurai]

Florida Pastor to Defy Prayer Ban

A standoff over prayers at a school flagpole is looming between a longtime Baptist preacher and a Florida public school system.

Ron Baker, the pastor of Russell Baptist Church in Green Cove Springs, said he plans to keep on praying, regardless of what happens.

“Did you ever think that in America you’d be in trouble for praying at the flag?” Baker told Fox News. “It’s disturbing.”

Baker was referring to a legal opinion submitted by the Clay County School Board’s attorney and published in Jacksonville.com. The attorney determined that a series of prayers on the grounds of four schools was a violation of the U.S. Constitution. The attorney further declared that the prayers were a clear endorsement of religion and Christianity.

“It is a violation of the United States Constitution for a teacher, school administrator or other school district employee to join in a prayer session during their work time,” wrote J. Bruce Bickner in a story that appeared on Jacksonville.com.

Florida Pastor to Defy Prayer Ban | FOX News & Commentary: Todd Starnes

Really? It's a violation of the Constitution? Where? In the so called "Separation of Church and State that is NO WHERE IN THE CONSTITUION??

So, according to the court, Teachers don't have first amendment rights. Thank you liberals!

I can't agree with you although I would like to, samurai. The teacher can pray at any free time she has from the children. Just as anyone from a completely different faith can do their praying in private when they have the chance. Freedom to pray is not restricted, just not appropriate with the students.

Show me where it says that in the Constitution?

THAT is your personal opinion, NOT the Constitution.

So, show me where that is in the Constittution.

I wasn't aware a Teacher was "Congress" which is the ONLY body I see restricted in any way by the First Amendment.

 

[Jackson]

Florida Pastor to Defy Prayer Ban | FOX News & Commentary: Todd Starnes

Really? It's a violation of the Constitution? Where? In the so called "Separation of Church and State that is NO WHERE IN THE CONSTITUION??

So, according to the court, Teachers don't have first amendment rights. Thank you liberals!

I can't agree with you although I would like to, samurai. The teacher can pray at any free time she has from the children. Just as anyone from a completely different faith can do their praying in private when they have the chance. Freedom to pray is not restricted, just not appropriate with the students.

Show me where it says that in the Constitution?

THAT is your personal opinion, NOT the Constitution.

So, show me where that is in the Constittution.

I wasn't aware a Teacher was "Congress" which is the ONLY body I see restricted in any way by the First Amendment.

Subsequently, Everson v. Board of Education (1947) incorporated the Establishment Clause (i.e., made it apply against the states). However, it was not until the middle to late twentieth century that

the Supreme Court began to interpret the Establishment and Free Exercise Clauses in such a manner as to restrict the promotion of religion by the states. In the Board of Education of Kiryas Joel Village School District v. Grumet, 512 U.S. 687 (1994), Justice David Souter, writing for the majority, concluded that "government should not prefer one religion to another, or religion to irreligion."[1]

 

[DaGoose]

Florida Pastor to Defy Prayer Ban

A standoff over prayers at a school flagpole is looming between a longtime Baptist preacher and a Florida public school system.

Ron Baker, the pastor of Russell Baptist Church in Green Cove Springs, said he plans to keep on praying, regardless of what happens.

“Did you ever think that in America you’d be in trouble for praying at the flag?” Baker told Fox News. “It’s disturbing.”

Baker was referring to a legal opinion submitted by the Clay County School Board’s attorney and published in Jacksonville.com. The attorney determined that a series of prayers on the grounds of four schools was a violation of the U.S. Constitution. The attorney further declared that the prayers were a clear endorsement of religion and Christianity.

“It is a violation of the United States Constitution for a teacher, school administrator or other school district employee to join in a prayer session during their work time,” wrote J. Bruce Bickner in a story that appeared on Jacksonville.com.

Florida Pastor to Defy Prayer Ban | FOX News & Commentary: Todd Starnes

Really? It's a violation of the Constitution? Where? In the so called "Separation of Church and State that is NO WHERE IN THE CONSTITUION??

So, according to the court, Teachers don't have first amendment rights. Thank you liberals!

First of all it's not the "Liberals". It's called the Constitution. Keep in mind that the ACLU has sued schoool districts in the past to ALLOW students to hold Bible studies and prayer groups.

And the ACLU cannot "ban" anything. It takes a court of law.

Having said that I don't think that teachers are violating the Constitution by participating in a prayer session unless they are leading the prayer. That would be an "establishment of religion" and that would indeed be against the law and one of the things that the Constitution protects us from.

 

[teapartysamurai]

Sigh you fucktard....try learning something.

I think we learned how much liberals hate to have their own fascism toward the freedom of expression or religion exposed.

If you so schmart, show us the wording in the Constitution. Where does it say a teacher cannot pray?

 

[teapartysamurai]

I can't agree with you although I would like to, samurai. The teacher can pray at any free time she has from the children. Just as anyone from a completely different faith can do their praying in private when they have the chance. Freedom to pray is not restricted, just not appropriate with the students.

Show me where it says that in the Constitution?

THAT is your personal opinion, NOT the Constitution.

So, show me where that is in the Constittution.

I wasn't aware a Teacher was "Congress" which is the ONLY body I see restricted in any way by the First Amendment.

Subsequently, Everson v. Board of Education (1947) incorporated the Establishment Clause (i.e., made it apply against the states). However, it was not until the middle to late twentieth century that

the Supreme Court began to interpret the Establishment and Free Exercise Clauses in such a manner as to restrict the promotion of religion by the states. In the Board of Education of Kiryas Joel Village School District v. Grumet, 512 U.S. 687 (1994), Justice David Souter, writing for the majority, concluded that "government should not prefer one religion to another, or religion to irreligion."[1]

Psst!

That's not wording in the Constituion. That's a USSC opinion.

The USSC once said that it was okay to keep slaves, and that Seperate but equal was okay.

Did that mean it was in the Constitution?

No sorry, I'M ASKING FOR THE WORDS IN THE CONSTITUTION.

Not some judge legislating his own religious bigotries from the bench.

 

[teapartysamurai]

Show me where it says that in the Constitution?

THAT is your personal opinion, NOT the Constitution.

So, show me where that is in the Constittution.

I wasn't aware a Teacher was "Congress" which is the ONLY body I see restricted in any way by the First Amendment.

Subsequently, Everson v. Board of Education (1947) incorporated the Establishment Clause (i.e., made it apply against the states). However, it was not until the middle to late twentieth century that

the Supreme Court began to interpret the Establishment and Free Exercise Clauses in such a manner as to restrict the promotion of religion by the states. In the Board of Education of Kiryas Joel Village School District v. Grumet, 512 U.S. 687 (1994), Justice David Souter, writing for the majority, concluded that "government should not prefer one religion to another, or religion to irreligion."[1]

She wont understand this. Its facts and not made up insanity.

Then show me the wording in the Cosntitution.

Still waiting libs!

 

[teapartysamurai]

Florida Pastor to Defy Prayer Ban

A standoff over prayers at a school flagpole is looming between a longtime Baptist preacher and a Florida public school system.

Ron Baker, the pastor of Russell Baptist Church in Green Cove Springs, said he plans to keep on praying, regardless of what happens.

“Did you ever think that in America you’d be in trouble for praying at the flag?” Baker told Fox News. “It’s disturbing.”

Baker was referring to a legal opinion submitted by the Clay County School Board’s attorney and published in Jacksonville.com. The attorney determined that a series of prayers on the grounds of four schools was a violation of the U.S. Constitution. The attorney further declared that the prayers were a clear endorsement of religion and Christianity.

“It is a violation of the United States Constitution for a teacher, school administrator or other school district employee to join in a prayer session during their work time,” wrote J. Bruce Bickner in a story that appeared on Jacksonville.com.

Florida Pastor to Defy Prayer Ban | FOX News & Commentary: Todd Starnes

Really? It's a violation of the Constitution? Where? In the so called "Separation of Church and State that is NO WHERE IN THE CONSTITUION??

So, according to the court, Teachers don't have first amendment rights. Thank you liberals!

First of all it's not the "Liberals". It's called the Constitution. Keep in mind that the ACLU has sued schoool districts in the past to ALLOW students to hold Bible studies and prayer groups.

And the ACLU cannot "ban" anything. It takes a court of law.

Having said that I don't think that teachers are violating the Constitution by participating in a prayer session unless they are leading the prayer. That would be an "establishment of religion" and that would indeed be against the law and one of the things that the Constitution protects us from.

First of all it IS LIBERALS.

Show me the Conservative organizations trying to stop prayer in public.

Plus, show me in the Constitituion where a teacher cannot lead prayer.

Still waiting libs!

 

[teapartysamurai]

Subsequently, Everson v. Board of Education (1947) incorporated the Establishment Clause (i.e., made it apply against the states). However, it was not until the middle to late twentieth century that

the Supreme Court began to interpret the Establishment and Free Exercise Clauses in such a manner as to restrict the promotion of religion by the states. In the Board of Education of Kiryas Joel Village School District v. Grumet, 512 U.S. 687 (1994), Justice David Souter, writing for the majority, concluded that "government should not prefer one religion to another, or religion to irreligion."[1]

Psst!

That's not wording in the Constituion. That's a USSC opinion.

The USSC once said that it was okay to keep slaves, and that Seperate but equal was okay.

Did that mean it was in the Constitution?

No sorry, I'M ASKING FOR THE WORDS IN THE CONSTITUTION.

Not some judge legislating his own religious bigotries from the bench.

Told you...same old tired haggered samurai....

Now repeat this schick for a few more pages.

IN OTHER WORDS, you libs DON'T have wording in the Constittuion to back this up.

That's what has you mad. You don't want consevatives to discuss this, because they may be in power in another year and might DO something about it.

Like appoint judges who won't legislate like this from the bench.

It has you very upset, I can tell.

Notice you won't even address the subject, just attack me?

That's what liberals do when they know they would LOSE discussing the actual subject.

 

[teapartysamurai]

Liberals??????????????

Where'dya go????????

Don't you want to discuss Teacher First Amendment rights, anymore??????

 

[Inthemiddle]

So, according to the court, Teachers don't have first amendment rights. Thank you liberals!

What in the world are you talking about? What court? There's no court case in your article. It was a county attorney issuing legal advice to the school system regarding government employees endorsing religion while at work. You have nothing here.

 

[teapartysamurai]

So, according to the court, Teachers don't have first amendment rights. Thank you liberals!

What in the world are you talking about? What court? There's no court case in your article. It was a county attorney issuing legal advice to the school system regarding government employees endorsing religion while at work. You have nothing here.

You're right. I misunderstood that.

However, as an attorney submitting a legal opinion, he should know there isn't anything in the Constitution barring a teacher from praying.

That's what I'm pointing out. This school board is barring these teachers first amendment rights.

There is nothing in the Constitution barring these teachers from praying at the flag pole.

 

[WillowTree]

I can't agree with you although I would like to, samurai. The teacher can pray at any free time she has from the children. Just as anyone from a completely different faith can do their praying in private when they have the chance. Freedom to pray is not restricted, just not appropriate with the students.

Show me where it says that in the Constitution?

THAT is your personal opinion, NOT the Constitution.

So, show me where that is in the Constittution.

I wasn't aware a Teacher was "Congress" which is the ONLY body I see restricted in any way by the First Amendment.

Subsequently, Everson v. Board of Education (1947) incorporated the Establishment Clause (i.e., made it apply against the states). However, it was not until the middle to late twentieth century that

the Supreme Court began to interpret the Establishment and Free Exercise Clauses in such a manner as to restrict the promotion of religion by the states. In the Board of Education of Kiryas Joel Village School District v. Grumet, 512 U.S. 687 (1994), Justice David Souter, writing for the majority, concluded that "government should not prefer one religion to another, or religion to irreligion."[1]

The Supreme Court decided Citizens United too, suck on that. bonehead.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Two questions.

Can God only hear these prayers if they're done at the flagpole?

Can I go to this guy's church and show porn flicks? As an exercise in 'free speech'?

 

[teapartysamurai]

Show me where it says that in the Constitution?

THAT is your personal opinion, NOT the Constitution.

So, show me where that is in the Constittution.

I wasn't aware a Teacher was "Congress" which is the ONLY body I see restricted in any way by the First Amendment.

Subsequently, Everson v. Board of Education (1947) incorporated the Establishment Clause (i.e., made it apply against the states). However, it was not until the middle to late twentieth century that

the Supreme Court began to interpret the Establishment and Free Exercise Clauses in such a manner as to restrict the promotion of religion by the states. In the Board of Education of Kiryas Joel Village School District v. Grumet, 512 U.S. 687 (1994), Justice David Souter, writing for the majority, concluded that "government should not prefer one religion to another, or religion to irreligion."[1]

The Supreme Court decided Citizens United too, suck on that. bonehead.

Oh didn't you know? The USSC only speaks for the Constitution when liberals AGREE with their decision!

 

[teapartysamurai]

Two questions.

Can God only hear these prayers if they're done at the flagpole?

Can I go to this guy's church and show porn flicks? As an exercise in 'free speech'?

Get this.

He's equating praying at the flagpole with "porn flicks."

That is a liberal revealing what they really think.

 

[ladyliberal]

Psst!

That's not wording in the Constituion. That's a USSC opinion.

The USSC once said that it was okay to keep slaves, and that Seperate but equal was okay.

Did that mean it was in the Constitution?

No sorry, I'M ASKING FOR THE WORDS IN THE CONSTITUTION.

Not some judge legislating his own religious bigotries from the bench.

You seem to be proposing a standard of constitutional jurisprudence that requires explicit and specific language. To wit, teachers are allowed to lead prayers because the phrase "teachers cannot lead prayers" or some close equivalent does not appear in the Constitution. By that standard, the doctrine of "separate but equal" would prevail, since nowhere in the Constitution does it say "separate is not equal" or any equivalent.

You seem to treat the Constitution as a mystical, infallible document that only you and those who agree with you are qualified to interpret. Those who disagree are "bigoted", "judges", "liberal" or at least not "conservative".