Flat Tax

Would You Support a Flat Tax in America

  • Yes

    Votes: 23 71.9%
  • No

    Votes: 5 15.6%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 2 6.3%
  • Don't Care

    Votes: 2 6.3%

  • Total voters
    32
Originally posted by crazy canadian
Then, I think you should tell that to THEM.
Some people flourish under criticism, others wilt.
If you start telling people they are as good as anyone else, they'll like you and listen to you.

Hmmm, but you also want us to give them a lifestyle that is as good as ours, but without the sacrifice.

Just kind words? Ha! Where did you get that?

See former soviet union: "They pretend to pay us, we pretend to work."
 
And just one more post for no more reason than to get my post count off the number of the beast.
 
Originally posted by Kathianne
Hmmm, but you also want us to give them a lifestyle that is as good as ours, but without the sacrifice.

Just kind words? Ha! Where did you get that?

See former soviet union: "They pretend to pay us, we pretend to work."

Ok, so I think everyone should believe they deserve that type of lifestyle. You want to dangle it in front of them so they jump to work?
 
Originally posted by crazy canadian
Ok, so I think everyone should believe they deserve that type of lifestyle. You want to dangle it in front of them so they jump to work?

Only children are given things without work. But this is what the dems want, to erode our sense of responsibility, so we become walking responsibility vacuums, sucking government into our lives, and thus empowering the big government libs who seek nothing but power.
 
Originally posted by Avatar4321
Do a flat tax. no exemptions no cut off pays. everyone who earns something pays a percent of that.

1)Its the only fair system. we all pay a % of what we earn

2)It will make raising taxes alot more difficult since everyone will be effected. Having a minority of people paying all the taxes is wrong.

If you make 10000. you pay x% if you make 100000000 you pay x%.

You shouldnt penalize people for making more money. it will keep the incentives for earning more low.

As for the simplifying the tax code. it would simplify things. maybe not alot but everyone would know what they had to pay.


And your point here seems to be the major sticking point in this thread. Not whether or not there should be flat tax. It looks as though everyone pretty much agree that would be better. But whether or not there should be a tax break or not for people of lesser income.

And the more I think about it, I'm undecided. I have to ask myself, "WHY SHOULDN'T EVERYONE pay their fare share? And I can never come up with a good reason why NOT.
 
I'm confused. :confused: What is it you think would work? If we redistributed incomes the way you proposed most would be moved down, to raise the others up. Even if done, unless you permanently kill the incentives to get ahead, those that had will move ahead again, causing the 'lack of self esteem' in the others.
 
I'll be back later. It's one o'clock, and if I don't get back to the rest of my life, Mission Organization will be knocking at my door.
Or CPS.

You're still assuming everyone who has the ability to do the work should be the only ones with a good life while they are here on earth. How do you sort it out?
 
Originally posted by crazy canadian
I'll be back later. It's one o'clock, and if I don't get back to the rest of my life, Mission Organization will be knocking at my door.
Or CPS.

You're still assuming everyone who has the ability to do the work should be the only ones with a good life while they are here on earth. How do you sort it out?

There's a safety net for those truly unable. Most are excuse laden slackers.
 
Let the gov't own all the gas, and take that money to give to the ones who truly need social assitance. The rest of you keep your earnings. I don't have time to think right now, kids climbing on me. Sorry, later.

:p:

...and the current safety net is NOT good enough, in my mind.
 
Originally posted by crazy canadian
Of course a better life is earned with hard work, but isn't that neglecting those born without the ability, or those who have lost the will, or those born into poverty, or those whose brains don't make it easy for them to do so? Does capitalism reward those who are born better off, or whose circumstances result in a better life?

What would you do with the extra earnings saved from lower taxes, would you keep it or give it to those less fortunate? Is that the question that a keeps a socialist a socialist?
I said nothing of neglecting those whom cannot provide for themselves. Certainly a safety net is prudent. I would take exception to your notion that a person "who have lost the will" is somehow entitled. Perhaps you would need to clarify that part of your statement.

Capitalism rewards those whom seek reward from that framework. There are numerous examples of people born into poor circumstances that have used the best of their human spirit and accomplish their goals. As well as there are numerous examples of people who have wasted their oppurtunities in life. Of coarse there will always be set backs and dissappointments that is normal but not excusable for lossing your will.
 
Originally posted by crazy canadian
Let the gov't own all the gas, and take that money to give to the ones who truly need social assitance. The rest of you keep your earnings. I don't have time to think right now, kids climbing on me. Sorry, later.

:p:

...and the current safety net is NOT good enough, in my mind.

Seems to me that you may have enjoyed living in the old U.S.S.R.. Or quite possibly the now China.
 
I have been accused of being smart, once. (I was never convicted, because the evidence was illegially obtained) But, my smarts are not in this area. So, if the question is dumb, no flames, just educate.
Can the President "try out" a flat tax for a year or so and compare the results to the current system without getting congress involved?
The military does that all the time before promulgating policy accross the board. We will isolate a targeted portion of the service and apply the new paradigm to see how it competes with the old, established model. I know it's simplistic, but imagine a lottery and everyone with SSN's ending in 21, 35, 76, & 44 will pay a flat tax for two years. Then do the comparisons. Heck for that matter the all-seeing IRS should be able to run computer models against each tax return. OOh imagine the savings in compliance costs........getting exited now :clap1:
No matter what we do or not with income tax, I also feel an NST should go into effect so that illegal aliens, tourists, and other non tax payers could assist. I think that should be a targeted tax, IOW's it goes to pay the national debt, or finance that ultimate safety net, Social Security.
 
Pegwinn, I like the idea, but my guess would be no. Just a guess, the gov't is not as efficient as the military, so you know what THAT means. :rolleyes:

Someone posted something last night about reform and the line item veto, I think the latter is sorely needed.
 
Originally posted by pegwinn
I have been accused of being smart, once. (I was never convicted, because the evidence was illegially obtained) But, my smarts are not in this area. So, if the question is dumb, no flames, just educate.
Can the President "try out" a flat tax for a year or so and compare the results to the current system without getting congress involved?
The military does that all the time before promulgating policy accross the board. We will isolate a targeted portion of the service and apply the new paradigm to see how it competes with the old, established model. I know it's simplistic, but imagine a lottery and everyone with SSN's ending in 21, 35, 76, & 44 will pay a flat tax for two years. Then do the comparisons. Heck for that matter the all-seeing IRS should be able to run computer models against each tax return. OOh imagine the savings in compliance costs........getting exited now :clap1:
No matter what we do or not with income tax, I also feel an NST should go into effect so that illegal aliens, tourists, and other non tax payers could assist. I think that should be a targeted tax, IOW's it goes to pay the national debt, or finance that ultimate safety net, Social Security.

I like the idea. I wish it was just that easy.
 
Thanks for participating in this poll. It was very telling, and comfirmed my suspicions that most Americans would prefer a flat tax.

Too bad "CBS" doesn't pop in and take a look at this. Or at least some D.C. focus group on taxes.
 
Originally posted by Pale Rider
Thanks for participating in this poll. It was very telling, and comfirmed my suspicions that most Americans would prefer a flat tax.

Too bad "CBS" doesn't pop in and take a look at this. Or at least some D.C. focus group on taxes.


PR, I think you need a larger sample size before you can consider it as a representation of all Americans, but it is a good start. I didn't vote because I have never done taxes here plus I don't have the same incentive to get rid of the current tax system since I probably won't be spending many more years here. Taxes are a pain in Canada, but at least when you get a cell phone bill it isn't a surprising 20% more than you expected.
I know that you shouldn't tax poor people on a small income unless maybe you are providing them with all the basics in return. Like medical insurance covered by the state or feds.
 
Originally posted by crazy canadian
PR, I think you need a larger sample size before you can consider it as a representation of all Americans, but it is a good start. I didn't vote because I have never done taxes here plus I don't have the same incentive to get rid of the current tax system since I probably won't be spending many more years here. Taxes are a pain in Canada, but at least when you get a cell phone bill it isn't a surprising 20% more than you expected.
I know that you shouldn't tax poor people on a small income unless maybe you are providing them with all the basics in return. Like medical insurance covered by the state or feds.

What do the rich deserve for paying taxes?
 
Originally posted by crazy canadian
PR, I think you need a larger sample size before you can consider it as a representation of all Americans, but it is a good start. I didn't vote because I have never done taxes here plus I don't have the same incentive to get rid of the current tax system since I probably won't be spending many more years here. Taxes are a pain in Canada, but at least when you get a cell phone bill it isn't a surprising 20% more than you expected.
I know that you shouldn't tax poor people on a small income unless maybe you are providing them with all the basics in return. Like medical insurance covered by the state or feds.

We've already HAD a larger sample crazy. It was called the Presidential election. It wasn't too long ago, but Steve Forbes was on the ticket. He didn't win, but he did quite well for not being in politics.

His plaform was tax reform, and yes, it was a "FLAT TAX" that he was proposing. I voted for him that year as did many others for that reason. But, I also liked him. I thought he was a straight talking, stand up guy.

I've already written plenty of letters to Congressmen and Representatives, even the President about a flat tax. I guess I'll just continue doing that since that's about all I can do. If I was "rich", I could make an influential campaign contribution like other rich people do, but I'm not rich.
 
Originally posted by crazy canadian
Even when a 'properly contributing member of society' falls upon hard times, you vastly underestimate the will needed to get back in the groove.

Depression, sickness, unforseen circumstances that help define us as humans, and not 'robots', are the very things that call for a less capitalistic approach (I see capitalists as people who are able to act more as robots, function as society would like), and therefor call for ideologies that treat people 'more as robots'.

You can invent endless excuses for not working. How arrogant to assume that the income someone has earned is not his or her's. But instead it belongs to the government to be doled out as it sees fit. How absolutely, idiotically, counter-productive to reward sloth and indolence with largesse stolen from those who seek to achieve and to better their lives and then funneled by the government to those who are busy making excuses why they will not work.

Welfare, not capitalist society needs radical reform. If one is physically or mentally incapable of working, then governmental support is justified. But for those who are capable of working, the government should be the employer of last resort. There are a great many things that need doing in this country which require only unskilled manpower to accomplish. Let's put our able-bodied welfare cases to work on those projects. If society is going to support them, then they in turn can support society.
 

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