Flashback: Libs will deport a little boy at gunpoint but won't stop Islamic invaders

[bodecea]

Spin it, spin it spin it whatever fits the rejects image of it all, twist it spin it, twist it spin it.

So you too are against Fathers' Rights.

 

[BlindBoo]

They have vetting to stop the radical Islamic terrorist type (as well as other radicals).

Democrats deported a frightened, hysterical little boy back to Castro’s Cuba because he was an “illegal alien.”

If you had legal custody of your son after a divorce and your ex-wife took him illegally to another country but died in route, what would you want the other countries officials to do?

"Country Roads, take me home to the place I belong" is what I would want? That is just me of course, adrift at sea.

I've been thru West Virginia, it was nice.

Nice Mountains.

 

[flacaltenn]

So, you don't believe in Father's Rights.

Not when the Mom gets eaten by sharks and risks death to bring him to America. And the Father lives under the tyranny of Govt keeping Cuba stuck in the 1960s for 40 years..

....mmmmm....unless the father abused the child, or the child's life is in danger in Cuba that is not enough reason to refuse to return him to his father.

Probably safer in Cuba from the looks of the fear in his eyes at the assault squad that "rescued" him... Screw his mom or the precedent of keeping refugees from Cuba that make it to land.

Is that a reasonable justification for refusing to give him to his father? Doesn't his father have rights here?

Did you ask for legal documents on the 40,000 Central Am UEMinors? Got permission from BOTH parents? Don't think the folks that praised a military solution to the Gonzalez issue really care about that now.. But it was fine to encourage parent-less kids to risk their lives to flee to the US and promise them sanctuary and relocation.. This is all POLITCAL bs -- not an immigration policy..

 

[flacaltenn]

In terms of how this OP discussion is written. What is with some folks that ENCOURAGE 10s of thousands of UNESCORTED MINORS to Flee to the US on death trains thru Mexico???. And then HOUSE them in gymnasiums for years and DON'T return them to their parents. And want to relocate them all over the US with already ILLEGAL families? But are all about keeping REFUGEE kids with their parent in Cuba?

Kind of apples and oranges - if the parents were demanding their return while relatives in America were demanding to keep them - you'd have a comparison. This is less a refugee rights case than it is a family court case.

Really?? So you KNOW that all those UEMinors have parental consent? Or even parents?? Those parents ought to be arrested for child endangerment anyways. At least Elia's mom gave her LIFE to get him here..

 

[ChrisL]

So, you don't believe in Father's Rights.

Not when the Mom gets eaten by sharks and risks death to bring him to America. And the Father lives under the tyranny of Govt keeping Cuba stuck in the 1960s for 40 years..

....mmmmm....unless the father abused the child, or the child's life is in danger in Cuba that is not enough reason to refuse to return him to his father.

Probably safer in Cuba from the looks of the fear in his eyes at the assault squad that "rescued" him... Screw his mom or the precedent of keeping refugees from Cuba that make it to land.

Anyone would have fear in their eyes in such a situation where distance relatives are filling his mind with fear of the boogie man....and then run and hide with him in a closet, yelling and screaming.

Who could blame the family members? They probably grew to love and care about the little boy and didn't want the government taking him from them. There is a reason why people try to flee certain countries and risk death to do it.

If he was to be sent back, it should have been done immediately.

 

[flacaltenn]

What I recall of the case (and what's in this timeline A Chronology Of The Elian Gonzalez Saga | Saving Elian | FRONTLINE | PBS) is that it was resolved through the courts and through an appeals process.

Did you READ the timeline? Janet Reno held a Family Court session by HERSELF and short-circuited the legal appeals.

After meeting with Juan Miguel Gonzalez, Attorney General Janet Reno announces that U.S. officials will move to transfer Elian to his father.

April 12
2000 Reno meets with Elian's relatives in Miami about the process for transferring the boy to his father, but there's no agreement from the relatives. Over the next several days negotiations continue between the family, Reno and representatives on both sides.

April 19
2000 The 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals grants a request by Elian's Miami relatives to block his return to Cuba.

April 22
2000 In a pre-dawn raid, armed U.S. federal agents seize Elian Gonzalez from the home of his Miami relatives. Elian is reunited with his father a few hours later. But it will take two months before Eilan and his father would go back to Cuba--two months of court procedures and demonstrations and counter-demonstrations in Miami.

 

[flacaltenn]

Seems to have been a chronic problem of that lady. Turning trivial court cases into armed military assaults..

 

[Coyote]

What I recall of the case (and what's in this timeline A Chronology Of The Elian Gonzalez Saga | Saving Elian | FRONTLINE | PBS) is that it was resolved through the courts and through an appeals process.

Did you READ the timeline? Janet Reno held a Family Court session by HERSELF and short-circuited the legal appeals.

After meeting with Juan Miguel Gonzalez, Attorney General Janet Reno announces that U.S. officials will move to transfer Elian to his father.

April 12
2000 Reno meets with Elian's relatives in Miami about the process for transferring the boy to his father, but there's no agreement from the relatives. Over the next several days negotiations continue between the family, Reno and representatives on both sides.

April 19
2000 The 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals grants a request by Elian's Miami relatives to block his return to Cuba.

April 22
2000 In a pre-dawn raid, armed U.S. federal agents seize Elian Gonzalez from the home of his Miami relatives. Elian is reunited with his father a few hours later. But it will take two months before Eilan and his father would go back to Cuba--two months of court procedures and demonstrations and counter-demonstrations in Miami.

Yes I did - Reno didn't short circuit ANYTHING. Key term: block his return to Cuba. The father was brought to Cuba, and the child was supposed to be returned to the father, while Elian and his father stayed in the US until it was resolved but the grandparents refused to follow a court order to return him to his father while the case was being adjudicated.

Taken by federal authorities
Attorney general Janet Reno ordered the return of Elián González to his father and set a deadline of April 13, 2000, but the Miami relatives defied the order. Negotiations continued for several days as the house was surrounded by protesters as well as police. The relatives insisted on guarantees that they could live with the child for several months and retain custody, and that González would not be returned to Cuba. Negotiations carried on throughout the night, but Reno stated that the relatives rejected all workable solutions. A Florida family court judge revoked Lázaro's temporary custody, clearing the way for González to be returned to his father's custody. On April 20, Reno made the decision to remove Elián González from the house and instructed law enforcement officials to determine the best time to obtain the boy. After being informed of the decision, Marisleysis said to a Justice Department community relations officer, "You think we just have cameras in the house? If people try to come in, they could be hurt."[17]

Federal agents retrieve Elián from his relatives' home in Miami. This photo won the 2001 Pulitzer Prize for Breaking News.[18]
In the pre-dawn hours of Easter Eve, April 22, agents of the Border Patrol's special BORTAC unit as part of an operation in which more than 130 INS personnel took part[19] approached the house, knocked on the door, and identified themselves. When no one responded, they entered. At the same time, pepper-spray and mace were employed against persons outside who attempted to interfere.[20] In the confusion, Armando Gutierrez called in Alan Diaz, of the Associated Press, to enter the house and entered a room with González, his great uncle's wife Angela Lázaro, her niece, the niece's young son, and Donato Dalrymple (one of the two men who had rescued him from the ocean). They waited in the room listening to agents searching the house. Diaz took a widely publicized photograph of a border patrol agent confronting Dalrymple and the boy.


INS also stated in the days after the raid that they had identified as many as two dozen persons who were "prepared to thwart any government operation", some of whom had concealed weapons while others had criminal records.[21][22]

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It comes down to being a huge custody battle. Elian's father should have some rights here and the courts apparently thought so as well.

 

[Coyote]

Seems to have been a chronic problem of that lady. Turning trivial court cases into armed military assaults..

Possibly, but I'm not going to judge it on this particular incident since Wiki noted:
INS also stated in the days after the raid that they had identified as many as two dozen persons who were "prepared to thwart any government operation", some of whom had concealed weapons while others had criminal records.[21][22]

 

[CrusaderFrank]

So, you don't believe in Father's Rights.

You mean Poppa Fidel?

 

[Faun]

Seems to have been a chronic problem of that lady. Turning trivial court cases into armed military assaults..

Possibly, but I'm not going to judge it on this particular incident since Wiki noted:
INS also stated in the days after the raid that they had identified as many as two dozen persons who were "prepared to thwart any government operation", some of whom had concealed weapons while others had criminal records.[21][22]

And in the end, it was the right thing to do. Elian Gonzalez himself refers to that heroic effort to reunite him with father as being "rescued."

"My strongest memories are from the day they rescued me." ~ Elián González

Viva Reno!