Fixing the Nation

[Kosh]

Far left propaganda!

Please say that you're joking. This response is all too common and I can't look into your eyes to see if you're serious or not.

Marijuana has never caused a single overdose or case of lung cancer, and marijuana has been used as medicine on every continent for over 3,000 years, so the US government passed the Controlled Substances Act of 1970 which declares that marijuana is a dangerous narcotic that cannot be used as a medicine.

The National Institutes of Health says on their cancer website that marijuana has been used as medicine for 3,000 years while the DEA's official website says that marijuana can't be used as medicine at all. It seems like there should be a compromise in there.

It is all far left propaganda.

It is also one of the very few things the far left does not want to regulate or control.

 

[Kosh]

Clearly, blind partisanship and prejudice against our fellow Americans isn't working (Republicans and Democrats both are guilty). A broken people cannot act as one (just look to the middle east for proof). Perhaps compromise is the solution.

Are there any issues you would mind compromising on for the sake of this country's future, be it economical, social, or religious?

Absolutely.

Says the far left Obama drone..

 

[mudwhistle]

Republicans are 90% white.

Kind of says how the nation is divided.

The founding fathers were mostly white. I've seen no stats on Republicans. You're confusing the reports on the Tea Party with Republicans. I don't think race is the problem.

 

[mudwhistle]

As long as the far left is power there will never be a fix to anything except to their spending other peoples money.

Fair enough. But once the Far Left falls out of power? Once Moderates or the Far Right take over? People have to be ready to compromise. And the best way to get Washington to do something is to spread the right idea to people of all creeds and locales. So start a movement on USMB, the place "where your voices count".

Obviously you are a Rightie, if the Left wasn't in power, would you compromise and on what?

There are no more moderate Democrats, it is only the far left now. There is no hope for your party.

If we have moderate Republicans then we will have a balanced budget.

The problem is there are still to many RINO's in the party that need to be voted out.

And yes I am to the right of the far left, but then again most of the nation (95%) are to the right of the far left.

I can't remember who did the poll, but 42% of the respondents said they were Conservative Independents, 20% said they were Liberal, and the rest ether claimed to be moderates or didn't know. Fewer people claim they are Republicans which means that the mainstreamers in the GOP are losing the battle of winning over the public. However, even fewer will admit these days that they're Democrats. What this means is 80% of America thinks it is farther right than Liberals. That's quite a majority.

 

[KNB]

Far left propaganda!

Please say that you're joking. This response is all too common and I can't look into your eyes to see if you're serious or not.

Marijuana has never caused a single overdose or case of lung cancer, and marijuana has been used as medicine on every continent for over 3,000 years, so the US government passed the Controlled Substances Act of 1970 which declares that marijuana is a dangerous narcotic that cannot be used as a medicine.

The National Institutes of Health says on their cancer website that marijuana has been used as medicine for 3,000 years while the DEA's official website says that marijuana can't be used as medicine at all. It seems like there should be a compromise in there.

It is all far left propaganda.

It is also one of the very few things the far left does not want to regulate or control.

Are you seriously trying to argue that racist, segregated America in 1942 was taken over by the "far left"? That's brilliant. What was "far left" about ending the Holocaust? Because America could not have won WWII without legalizing Cannabis Sativa. Legal "Marihuana" made ropes for our ships, parachute rigging for our paratroopers, and boot laces and uniforms for our soldiers. How would the Navy have functioned without rigging? How would our paratroopers have survived jumping out of airplanes without their parachutes? Could our soldiers have stormed all of those beaches if they were naked and barefoot?

Yes, historical fact is all just "far left propaganda".

 

[zeke]

Please say that you're joking. This response is all too common and I can't look into your eyes to see if you're serious or not.

Marijuana has never caused a single overdose or case of lung cancer, and marijuana has been used as medicine on every continent for over 3,000 years, so the US government passed the Controlled Substances Act of 1970 which declares that marijuana is a dangerous narcotic that cannot be used as a medicine.

The National Institutes of Health says on their cancer website that marijuana has been used as medicine for 3,000 years while the DEA's official website says that marijuana can't be used as medicine at all. It seems like there should be a compromise in there.

It is all far left propaganda.

It is also one of the very few things the far left does not want to regulate or control.

Are you seriously trying to argue that racist, segregated America in 1942 was taken over by the "far left"? That's brilliant. What was "far left" about ending the Holocaust? Because America could not have won WWII without legalizing Cannabis Sativa. Legal "Marihuana" made ropes for our ships, parachute rigging for our paratroopers, and boot laces and uniforms for our soldiers. How would the Navy have functioned without rigging? How would our paratroopers have survived jumping out of airplanes without their parachutes? Could our soldiers have stormed all of those beaches if they were naked and barefoot?

Yes, historical fact is all just "far left propaganda".

KNB, you bring up some good valid points. And explain them pretty well.

But if you are trying to engage Kosh in meaningful debate you are wasting your time and efforts.

Kosh is a far right propagandist and not capable of well considered opinion.

 

[Wildman]

Are there any issues you would mind compromising on for the sake of this country's future, be it economical, social, or religious?

ahhhhh..., spoken by a true liberal commie, every time we Conservatives and some Republicans compromise with liberals we lose some more freedoms, e.g., liberal whiney cry babies said: "we just want you to stop smoking on airplanes", we did, then come the restaurant, "smoking or non smoking", now look at where smokers are today, smokers are the worst kind of human being there ever was.

gun control, there was a time (any period pre 1950) when a 12 y.o. boy/girl could walk into their local general store, buy a .22 rifle and a box of ammo and go squirrel hunting on his way home from school. today if a 12 y.o. boy/girl points their finger and says "BANG", instantly he/she is expelled from school and not allowed to return till a full psychological evaluation is made.

fucking liberals/democrats/RINOS have ruined this once great country.

Since when did registered Republicans who voted Mitt become liberal commies? When did watching Fox News as your source of keeping up to date on the world become commie? When did being a pro-life Catholic become commie? When did being pro 2nd amendment make you a liberal cry baby? When did not giving a damn if kids said "Bang" and made hand-signs make you a country ruining RINO?

I may uphold Right values, but something isn't working. It is not just the left (although they are slightly more to blame than the right). Both sides need to come to the table and stop worrying about their pocketbooks instead of the freedom and prosperity of the nation.

How is that being a leftie?

And I was born in 1990, so I have no idea what the 50s were like.[/QUOTE]

i am guessing that is why you are asking all these stupid, "when did...", "why did..." questions, when you get at least 50 years worth of historical knowledge under your skull cap, come back and discuss..., thank you. ::up

 

[OODA_Loop]

How would the Navy have functioned without rigging? .

Manila rope replaced hemp rope cause it didn't rot.

 

[editec]

Clearly, blind partisanship and prejudice against our fellow Americans isn't working (Republicans and Democrats both are guilty). A broken people cannot act as one (just look to the middle east for proof). Perhaps compromise is the solution.

Are there any issues you would mind compromising on for the sake of this country's future, be it economical, social, or religious?

How about willing to compromise and only take half the military budget to revitalize our fibrilating economy.

OR

I'm willing to impose import tariffs only on those things that we cannot make here in the USA.

OR

How about keeping the central bank but making it a PUBLIC (not private) institution?

 

[Wildman]

Some of the responses in this topic are proof that certain factions in both parties have no interest in compromise of any kind. It's not enough that the opposition be seen political rivals you can work with. They are enemies from within, meant to be crushed. The good news is political message boards bring out the extremes on both sides. The posters here in no way represent the average American voter.

aaron, would you really like to know why my opposition needs crushing ? http://www.commieblaster.com/

and here is another one,
http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/

after you have perused those sites you will see..., maybe, why the liberal/democRAT regimes need defeated on all fronts........., OK?

 

[editec]

The US spends over $20b each year to arrest and prosecute marijuana offenses, and then imports millions of dollars of hemp products from China, and cuts down trees for paper and construction, and dumps chemical pollution into public lakes and rivers, and lies to the entire world to start wars for easier access to petroleum, and grows more corn for fuel than for food.

All of these problems can be alleviated by legalizing marijuana again like we did to save the world from the Axis of Evil. American hemp will replace Chinese hemp (BECAUSE IT'S THE SAME PLANT), hemp will replace forests for paper and building materials, hemp will replace corn for ethanol production, hemp will replace petrochemicals for plastics, and marijuana will help lower medical costs and cure cancer.

Let's compromise on this. Is that even possible? Can fiscally conservative Republicans compromise by admitting that the drug war is a trillion-dollar failure that undermines American liberty and it never should have started in the first place?

The STATES have already decided that's underway

Maine has legalized INDUSTRIAL HEMP...others states also

 

[KNB]

How would the Navy have functioned without rigging? .

Manila rope replaced hemp rope cause it didn't rot.

Manila rope replaced American hemp rope because Filipinos could be paid far less than American workers. Hemp stalks can be used to make plastic. Nylon ropes can be made out of weed, even stronger than natural hemp fibers.

And when imports of Manila rope were cut off by Japan, American hemp had to meet the demands of our Army and Navy, as well as of our industries. They say this exact same thing in the 1942 USDA film, Hemp For Victory. Watch the film. Pay close attention to the narrator and to the images of fields of legal American weed.

After the war, your elected government tried to keep you from learning about Hemp For Victory for a reason- because this short government video destroys every argument that can possibly be made against legalizing "Marihuana".

The Marihuana Tax Act and Reefer Madness were in 1937. 1937 - 1942. Five years after outlawing "Marihuana" (because smoking pot causes all of the violence, rape, and suffering on Earth), America legalized "Marihuana" to defend our freedom and democracy for future generations like yours. We even urged highschool students to grow weed for the war effort. Can you imagine America today encouraging highschool seniors to grow "Marihuana" to make equipment for our soldiers in the war on terror? Or how about in the war on drugs?

 

[OODA_Loop]

How would the Navy have functioned without rigging? .

Manila rope replaced hemp rope cause it didn't rot.

Manila rope replaced American hemp rope because Filipinos could be paid far less than American workers.

Your historical acumen is lacking.

Manila rope floats and doesn't rot, thereby not needing tarring.

 

[Kosh]

Please say that you're joking. This response is all too common and I can't look into your eyes to see if you're serious or not.

Marijuana has never caused a single overdose or case of lung cancer, and marijuana has been used as medicine on every continent for over 3,000 years, so the US government passed the Controlled Substances Act of 1970 which declares that marijuana is a dangerous narcotic that cannot be used as a medicine.

The National Institutes of Health says on their cancer website that marijuana has been used as medicine for 3,000 years while the DEA's official website says that marijuana can't be used as medicine at all. It seems like there should be a compromise in there.

It is all far left propaganda.

It is also one of the very few things the far left does not want to regulate or control.

Are you seriously trying to argue that racist, segregated America in 1942 was taken over by the "far left"? That's brilliant. What was "far left" about ending the Holocaust? Because America could not have won WWII without legalizing Cannabis Sativa. Legal "Marihuana" made ropes for our ships, parachute rigging for our paratroopers, and boot laces and uniforms for our soldiers. How would the Navy have functioned without rigging? How would our paratroopers have survived jumping out of airplanes without their parachutes? Could our soldiers have stormed all of those beaches if they were naked and barefoot?

Yes, historical fact is all just "far left propaganda".

And the far left propaganda continues....

 

[Kosh]

It is all far left propaganda.

It is also one of the very few things the far left does not want to regulate or control.

Are you seriously trying to argue that racist, segregated America in 1942 was taken over by the "far left"? That's brilliant. What was "far left" about ending the Holocaust? Because America could not have won WWII without legalizing Cannabis Sativa. Legal "Marihuana" made ropes for our ships, parachute rigging for our paratroopers, and boot laces and uniforms for our soldiers. How would the Navy have functioned without rigging? How would our paratroopers have survived jumping out of airplanes without their parachutes? Could our soldiers have stormed all of those beaches if they were naked and barefoot?

Yes, historical fact is all just "far left propaganda".

KNB, you bring up some good valid points. And explain them pretty well.

But if you are trying to engage Kosh in meaningful debate you are wasting your time and efforts.

Kosh is a far right propagandist and not capable of well considered opinion.

Even more far left propaganda from the far left Obama drone troll.

 

[Duped]

You cannot compromise with ideology, or with stupid. We need term limits to dismantle most of the crowny political structure. Politicians are suppose to be public servants which is truly a joke - they serve themselves. You want to fix the country; vote libertarian!

We have a 17 TRILLION dollar albatross hanging around the neck of our country thanks to all these entitlements mostly. Both parties are culpable, but the liberals much more. Todays Americans don't have the apptitude to do the things we need to do to " fix " our problems - they are too spoiled! We have already borrowed, and spent our future generations credit, and we want more - all of it.

We need to be truly conservative for a long time to dig ourselves out - which means pain! No one is going to vote for pain so we are screwed. The ride is not over yet, but we are moving downhill fast, and spending more money that we don't have will only excellerate our financial collapse - it's coming!

The drug war has made a huge class of 2nd. class citizens, and still doing so!

Allowing 20, million infiltrators legal status is a great way to destroy our country. If you don't punish someone for their crimes you are saying it is legal!

 

[occupied]

Far too many people live for the feud, it's not about the country, it's about feeling as if they are actively involved in shaping their own personal future when the horrible truth is that we are pretty much helpless to do anything real, by design. We are not really free to change things by collectively lobbying our leaders to honestly address our problems within the system and anything else is greeted by accusations of radicalism and worse. We all know the system is rigged against us yet we blame a bunch of other people in the same boat as we are. In years past I was just as solidly partisan as most on this board, a proud democrat and supporter of president Obama, but as time went on I realized that I was guilty of the same shit I accused republicans of doing. These days I do not hold out hope that any politician can do a damned thing except kowtow to the rich sociopaths who put them in office.

The real answer is to abandon conventional politics as a lost cause and be prepared to get in the faces of authority and say, fuck you, all of you, every single one of you. Only a truly anti-authoritarian person has any hope of not inadvertently supporting the nonsense machine.

 

[Kosh]

I am all for legalization of Mary J, as long it is regulated like cigarettes and beer.

Although with the Mary J being illegal, the state makes more money on it.

 

[KNB]

Manila rope replaced hemp rope cause it didn't rot.

Manila rope replaced American hemp rope because Filipinos could be paid far less than American workers.

Your historical acumen is lacking.

Manila rope floats and doesn't rot, thereby not needing tarring.

Watch Hemp For Victory. Don't tell someone that their "historical acumen" is lacking if you haven't seen this film. This is our true history.

Here is an article published in Popular Mechanics magazine in February 1938, after "Marihuana" was outlawed, listing the numerous uses of Cannabis Sativa:
Vote Hemp: Why Hemp?: New Billion-Dollar Crop

Here is a sample of the transcript from Hemp For Victory:

"A 44-gun frigate like our cherished Old Ironsides took over 60 tons of hemp for rigging, including an anchor cable 25 inches in circumference. The Conestoga wagons and prairie schooners of pioneer days were covered with hemp canvas. Indeed the very word canvas comes from the Arabic word for hemp. In those days hemp was an important crop in Kentucky and Missouri. Then came cheaper imported fibers for cordage, like jute, sisal and Manila hemp, and the culture of hemp in America declined.

But now with Philippine and East Indian sources of hemp in the hands of the Japanese, and shipment of jute from India curtailed, American hemp must meet the needs of our Army and Navy as well as of our Industry. In 1942, patriotic farmers at the government’s request planted 36,000 acres of seed hemp, an increase of several thousand percent. The goal for 1943 is 50,000 acres of seed hemp."
Hemp for Victory ? Global Hemp

And Cannabis hemp has even more uses today.
http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/ncnu02/pdf/small.pdf
Hemp Facts
http://www.uky.edu/Ag/CCD/introsheets/hempproduction.pdf
Industrial Hemp: A Win-Win For The Economy And The Environment - Forbes

Can we please compromise on this? Maybe if the legalization of "Marihuana" in 1942 helped America win World War II, then perhaps "Marijuana" isn't as dangerous as the DEA claims.

 

[bripat9643]

Clearly, blind partisanship and prejudice against our fellow Americans isn't working (Republicans and Democrats both are guilty). A broken people cannot act as one (just look to the middle east for proof). Perhaps compromise is the solution.

Are there any issues you would mind compromising on for the sake of this country's future, be it economical, social, or religious?

Republicans have been compromising with Democrats for 100 years. That's how we got into this fix. The solution is to defeat the Democrats, not compromise with them.