Fixing Tax Loopholes, 51% of Americans Pay NO Incomes Taxes

[saveliberty]

Every union organized shop in our area is gone. The average American did not shape public policy.

 

[Sallow]

Democrats have rendered half the population dependent and unable to earn enough to pay taxes.

No friend it was the American citizen who lowered their own wages.
Every single person who graced the doors of WalMart/Cosco/Target etc. and chose cheaper items over better quality items "voted" over and over and over to cut wages and put Americans out of work.
It might have been the house republicans and Clinton who enacted NAFTA - but it was the American population that secured it's success.

By spending less to get the same thing Americans made themselves poorer...

Yeah..that's about right.

Except it's not the "same thing". It's a cheaper quality knock off that has to be replaced more frequently adding to it's expense.

 

[kaz]

Democrats have rendered half the population dependent and unable to earn enough to pay taxes.

Bullshit.

The New Deal Created the middle class. There was almost NONE in this country prior to it's implementation.

Since the New Deal, Conservatives have been working overtime to get us back to a condition that existed prior to the New Deal.


A small very wealthy class..and a large very poor class.

THAT's what Consevatives want.

You forgot they eat babies and murder the homeless in back alleyways. The party of "Hate" once again identifies itself

 

[kaz]

No friend it was the American citizen who lowered their own wages.
Every single person who graced the doors of WalMart/Cosco/Target etc. and chose cheaper items over better quality items "voted" over and over and over to cut wages and put Americans out of work.
It might have been the house republicans and Clinton who enacted NAFTA - but it was the American population that secured it's success.

By spending less to get the same thing Americans made themselves poorer...

Yeah..that's about right.

Sorry, since I'm not a socialist I don't see the inherent truth of liberalism. Liberalism, a magic elixir that solves all problems. Doesn't work, but hey, nothing's perfect. So let's do it anyway

 

[saveliberty]

Democrats have rendered half the population dependent and unable to earn enough to pay taxes.

Bullshit.

The New Deal Created the middle class. There was almost NONE in this country prior to it's implementation.

Since the New Deal, Conservatives have been working overtime to get us back to a condition that existed prior to the New Deal.


A small very wealthy class..and a large very poor class.

THAT's what Consevatives want.

The middle class grew out of the end to WWII. Pent up demand. The New Deal had nothing to do with it. The large poor class is what the Democrats need for a voter base. Your thought process is a fail.

 

[kaz]

Every union organized shop in our area is gone. The average American did not shape public policy.

Yep. I'm from Michigan. A workers paradise...with no jobs. Did I mention I'm "from" Michigan?

The Proletariat may enjoy oppressing the Bourgeois, but it turns out the Bourgeois oppressing the Proletariat's better for the economy...and providing jobs...

 

[NYcarbineer]

Who here wants to give up your child tax credit?

Who here wants to give up your earned income tax credit?

Who here wants to have their bottom marginal rate raised?

That's how you'd fix this 'problem'.

In fact, letting the Bush tax cuts expire would have put tens of thousands back to paying taxes.

I'd be willing to give up all of those for paying only 10%.

In the end, I still come out ahead, because less money overall is withheld, and more of my money stays with me throughout the year.

I paid less than 10% last year and I get NONE of those credits.

 

[saveliberty]

Every union organized shop in our area is gone. The average American did not shape public policy.

Yep. I'm from Michigan. A workers paradise...with no jobs. Did I mention I'm "from" Michigan?

Hillsdale here.

 

[kaz]

The middle class grew out of the end to WWII. Pent up demand. The New Deal had nothing to do with it. The large poor class is what the Democrats need for a voter base. Your thought process is a fail.

Don't you love it though? Government interference causes a Great Depression, which ends the middle class since everyone's poor but a few people. Government doesn't cause the recovery, but the return of the middle class proves that government works.

In LiberalLand, all roads lead to socialism.

 

[kaz]

Every union organized shop in our area is gone. The average American did not shape public policy.

Yep. I'm from Michigan. A workers paradise...with no jobs. Did I mention I'm "from" Michigan?

Hillsdale here.

Kalamazoo, note my user name. I'm also a Michigan Alum.

 

[saveliberty]

Yep. I'm from Michigan. A workers paradise...with no jobs. Did I mention I'm "from" Michigan?

Hillsdale here.

Kalamazoo, note my user name. I'm also a Michigan Alum.

Green and White here buddy.

 

[Big Fitz]

Well, if you are going to quote that Commie Socialist Jesus, don't forget this:

Christ was a socialist. Uh huh.

You do realize that those very verses are written about how the APOSTLES managed affairs AFTER Christ ascended. When he was around, before his Crucifixion, he left the monies to Judas Iscariot. Nice try, liar.

And how exactly does Judas handling the money for ALL the apostles change anything?

Obviously you haven't read the Bible. I was showing the timeline of how money was handled. When Christ was with the Apostles, offerings given to him and his ministry at that time was put in common and held by Judas, much like a corporations CFO. After he was translated back to Heaven in Acts 1:9 IIRC, the apostles had a common fund and was dispersed according to the needs of the ministry, much like every church nowadays. Paul and others lived by the donations of others plus the work they did on TOP of the ministry and teaching much like an old fashioned itinerant preacher used to do.

To then use this logic to 'prove' Christ was a socialist is laughable. Christ, in no point took money from anyone against their will as is the whole basis for socialism which fundamentally denies private ownership. Not once did he speak out against anyone owning property, servants or land. Don't even try to use the rich man parable. That is known as illustrating a stumbling block where wealth interferes with your ability to follow Jesus. The couple who sold property and lied about how much and died is an example of trying to cheat God from what they claimed they were giving versus what they chose to give. This was a tradition of corruption as old as the Levites are when the prophets cast down divine judgment for providing lame cattle and impure sacrifices.

So his whole argument (and your support of it) is moot... not to mention foolish.

But I digress.

 

[Big Fitz]

I almost started a thread about this because its so funny.

Half of Americans pay no federal income taxes, conservatives have picked up on this and are outraged (ironically)

and, more ironcially, that can't be changed because the Republicans have signed a pledge not to raise ANY taxes ANY time for ANY reason.

Hmm...conservatives generally think everyone should pay taxes but Republican politicians aren't so it's "ironic." Actually, my friend, Republican politicians don't do most of what conservatives at large want them to do. Far from being the salient point on that topic, this is way down the list of how conservatives would like Republican politicians to represent their actual views.

That's because not all conservatives are republican and not all republicans are conservative.

 

[Polk]

A simple tax code = a fair tax code.

Fair Taxes. Appropriate Regulation. Budget Balanced by Law.

Balanced budget requirement is a terrible idea.

 

[WillowTree]

If you think trying to raise taxes on just the wealthy is difficult,

try raising taxes on just the not-wealthy.

Sorry conservatives, and anyone else who hates it...

...you are stuck with this no-tax half of the American population. You wanted it, you got it.

Hell no,, the conservatives did not want it. It's not called a conservative tax system sistah,, it's called a Progressive tax system. We conservatives want a fair and flat tax. You guys want unfair.

Uh oh. Here comes the history revision.

Prove that conservatives did not support the Reagan tax cuts, the Bush tax cuts, AND for good measure, the initiation of the child tax credit in 1997 with the Republican Congress and Clinton.

Prove that, because that is how we got to where we are with lower income no-taxers.

I don't have to prove a damn thing. The proof is in the pudding. It's a Progressive tax system. It doesn't work any longer. You know why? The takers have overtaken the givers.. The givers can't give enough any more to satisfy the taker leeches.. that's why the taker leeches are screaming for more more more.. time to go to a fair flat tax. everyone should have some skin in the game.

 

[Big Fitz]

Democrats have rendered half the population dependent and unable to earn enough to pay taxes.

No friend it was the American citizen who lowered their own wages.
Every single person who graced the doors of WalMart/Cosco/Target etc. and chose cheaper items over better quality items "voted" over and over and over to cut wages and put Americans out of work.
It might have been the house republicans and Clinton who enacted NAFTA - but it was the American population that secured it's success.

Hmm..

Okay..good post.

America always has and always will vote it's pocketbook. Just like every creature in God's Green Earth, we will seek the easiest, most efficient way to gain what we need to survive. It's essentially Economic Thermodynamics and the conservation of energy and work and capital.

 

[Polk]

Also...the ONLY people in my opinion who should pay zero income tax is:

1) Students, including high school students IF they have a college savings plan.
2) Active military.

That's it.

I would ammend that to active military in a war zone! and then we'd be in agreement.

You know we already do that, right?

 

[Big Fitz]

Hell no,, the conservatives did not want it. It's not called a conservative tax system sistah,, it's called a Progressive tax system. We conservatives want a fair and flat tax. You guys want unfair.

Uh oh. Here comes the history revision.

Prove that conservatives did not support the Reagan tax cuts, the Bush tax cuts, AND for good measure, the initiation of the child tax credit in 1997 with the Republican Congress and Clinton.

Prove that, because that is how we got to where we are with lower income no-taxers.

I don't have to prove a damn thing. The proof is in the pudding. It's a Progressive tax system. It doesn't work any longer. You know why? The takers have overtaken the givers.. The givers can't give enough any more to satisfy the taker leeches.. that's why the taker leeches are screaming for more more more.. time to go to a fair flat tax. everyone should have some skin in the game.

When the people learn they can vote themselves goodies from the public trough and find ways to justify 'rights' to them, the Republic is doomed.

That went by the boards back in 1890 when the Arthur administration reforms started to crumble under McKinley/Roosevelt.

 

[WillowTree]

Also...the ONLY people in my opinion who should pay zero income tax is:

1) Students, including high school students IF they have a college savings plan.
2) Active military.

That's it.

I would ammend that to active military in a war zone! and then we'd be in agreement.

You know we already do that, right?

No I didn't but thanks for telling me.

 

[Big Fitz]

Who here wants to give up your child tax credit?

Who here wants to give up your earned income tax credit?

Who here wants to have their bottom marginal rate raised?

That's how you'd fix this 'problem'.

In fact, letting the Bush tax cuts expire would have put tens of thousands back to paying taxes.

I'd be willing to give up all of those for paying only 10%.

In the end, I still come out ahead, because less money overall is withheld, and more of my money stays with me throughout the year.

I paid less than 10% last year and I get NONE of those credits.

Same here... but witholding still is about 20% of your check if you don't take any exemptions.