Fisa documents released. Nunes memo thoroughly discredited.

[Lewdog]

...and they had intercepted their communications which included them talking about how Carter Page was getting whatever information they asked for and saying how Page was an idiot.

I see, so the FBI actually had communications of Russian spies talking about Page.... and that didn't come out of the Steele dossier?

I hope you don't find it offensive but do you have some evidence of that?

and yet the primary source used to get the FISA warrants was the hilary clinton, steele dossier.......

No, it was not. It was basically a foot note.

The previous monitoring of Page and the investigations into the Russian spies was the primary source.

I'm done arguing with you. You fucking think some blog from some oddball site is a fact.

 

[Jantje_Smit]

About that application...

FBI releases Carter Page surveillance warrant documents - CNNPolitics

If you follow CNN's link and go the signature page (389), it only shows Comey's signature... all the other ones are blanco....

Just a minor issue I'm sure

 

[2aguy]

...and they had intercepted their communications which included them talking about how Carter Page was getting whatever information they asked for and saying how Page was an idiot.

I see, so the FBI actually had communications of Russian spies talking about Page.... and that didn't come out of the Steele dossier?

I hope you don't find it offensive but do you have some evidence of that?

and yet the primary source used to get the FISA warrants was the hilary clinton, steele dossier.......

No, it was not. It was basically a foot note.

The previous monitoring of Page and the investigations into the Russian spies was the primary source.

I'm done arguing with you. You fucking think some blog from some oddball site is a fact.

Wrong....... the steele dossier was the primary source....

 

[mikegriffith1]

Uh,how do these documents discredit the Nunes memo? Perhaps you could explain? Did you even read your link?

And I'm guessing you haven't read the IG report?

 

[Jantje_Smit]

Why Carter Page Was Worth Watching

Thanks, interesting stuff

Allthough you do realize that's an opinion piece, right?

 

[Lewdog]

Why Carter Page Was Worth Watching

Thanks, interesting stuff

Allthough you do realize that's an opinion piece, right?

What I highlighted, which is what you asked for, is NOT opinion. The FBI stated they knew the motives of the Russians, and what they had said about Page not through the Steele dossier, but through bugs they had on them.

I really do think you are brain dead. You can't even realize the difference between facts and opinions.

 

[Jantje_Smit]

What I highlighted, which is what you asked for, is NOT opinion. The FBI stated they knew the motives of the Russians, and what they had said about Page not through the Steele dossier, but through bugs they had on them.

The FBI stated... isn't evidence...

I really do think you are brain dead. You can't even realize the difference between facts and opinions.

That's not a fact, that's just your opinion

 

[Lewdog]

What I highlighted, which is what you asked for, is NOT opinion. The FBI stated they knew the motives of the Russians, and what they had said about Page not through the Steele dossier, but through bugs they had on them.

The FBI stated... isn't evidence...

I really do think you are brain dead. You can't even realize the difference between facts and opinions.

That's not a fact, that's just your opinion

The FBI stated how they collected the data. That's not an opinion.

Glad to see your best discussion is to argue dumb shit. Just shows you've thrown in the towel on the actual argument.

 

[Stormy Daniels]

Why does the FBI need to redact this stuff when there are no freaking secrets left?

Because apparently there are secrets left, and revealing them would compromise national security.

 

[Jantje_Smit]

The FBI stated how they collected the data. That's not an opinion.

No, it's probably a lie

But it certainly isn't evidence

Glad to see your best discussion is to argue dumb shit. Just shows you've thrown in the towel on the actual argument.

What's the actual argument, that the FBI never lies so what they say can't be questioned?

 

[mudwhistle]

As we all knew, when the truth came out, the Nunes memo was total bullshit.




FBI releases Carter Page surveillance warrant documents - CNNPolitics

Note:
This is a heavily redacted version.
I guess they needed to redact the fuck out of it to remove any evidence of abuse.

Lol,

View attachment 206362

Actually even though the document is heavily redacted it shows that Source #1 was the Steel Dossier, bought and paid for by the Hillary campaign and the DNC, and proves that biased FBI agents (Stzrok) bent on attacking Trump, used it in the FISA court to illegally obtain warrants to spy on Obama's political rivals (Donald J. Trump campaign).

Exactly as we've told you.

Of course your dumb ass refuses to admit this, choosing instead to pay attention to the fake headlines the MSM pumped out in advance of this document release.

 

[mudwhistle]

Why does the FBI need to redact this stuff when there are no freaking secrets left?

Because apparently there are secrets left, and revealing them would compromise national security.

This isn't about national security.
This is about criminal activity by the former president, Hillary, the FBI, and the DNC.

 

[Lewdog]

The FBI stated how they collected the data. That's not an opinion.

No, it's probably a lie

But it certainly isn't evidence

Glad to see your best discussion is to argue dumb shit. Just shows you've thrown in the towel on the actual argument.

What's the actual argument, that the FBI never lies so what they say can't be questioned?

As usual, a Trump supporter doesn't know the facts of the topic, asks for links with the information, and then when they get it, they just say it is a lie.

People like you are the reason why there is such a divide in the U.S. You're fucking trolls.

 

[depotoo]

It actually was a real conspiracy set in motion by the Dems. Maybe you’re waking up? Nah, your head is too buried.

As we all knew, when the truth came out, the Nunes memo was total bullshit.




FBI releases Carter Page surveillance warrant documents - CNNPolitics

Note:
This is a heavily redacted version.
I guess they needed to redact the fuck out of it to remove any evidence of abuse.

Lol,

View attachment 206362

 

[Crepitus]

As we all knew, when the truth came out, the Nunes memo was total bullshit.




FBI releases Carter Page surveillance warrant documents - CNNPolitics

The memo is out, you can't lie anymore...

I don't lie. It's right there in black and white kid. Proof Nunes's memo was false. The republican congress-critters are the liars in this story.

 

[bripat9643]

This thread is about an FBI FISA warrant on Carter Page and how it shows Nunes was trying to protect Trump through lies.

Within less than a page in this thread however, it's already been directed to being about Hillary Clinton using psychotropic drugs in children's vaccinations that causes them to have seizures when looking into the sky when secret military planes are spreading chem trails meant to spread alien DNA into the human gene pool.

Your reading comprehension really sucks...


First Thoughts On the Carter Page FISA Application

But Page has never been charged with anything. Accordingly, the least we can say is that Obama’s FBI and DOJ were wrong.

Second, the application’s description of Christopher Steele and the provenance of his dossier was misleading at best:

he “identified U.S. person” is Glenn Simpson, the head of Fusion GPS. Source #1 is Christopher Steele. The DOJ’s statement that “the FBI speculates that the identified U.S person [Simpson] was likely looking for information that could be used to discredit Candidate #1’s [Trump’s] campaign” could only have been an intentional effort to deceive the FISA judge.

The FBI was perfectly well aware that the Hillary Clinton campaign and the DNC hired Simpson through their lawyers, and the purpose of doing so was to attack candidate Donald Trump.

References to “speculation” about “likely” motives are entirely dishonest.

Third, the application relies to an astonishing degree on anti-Trump news stories published in the Democratic Party press. Does the FBI really get surveillance warrants on the basis of partisan press accounts? Apparently so. For example:
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Amazingly, the FISA application relies on “speculation in U.S. media” for the proposition that Russia was behind the phishing of DNC emails:
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Fourth, we still don’t know who at the FBI assembled the FISA application, since that person’s signature is redacted. But we do know who approved it–hyper-partisans James Comey and Sally Yates:

That probably tells us all we need to know about the veracity of the FISA application. Perhaps one day we will learn that Peter Strzok was the Democratic Party activist who prepared the application.

What I really want to know is the identity of the judge who signed off on the surveillance of Carter Page, based on such flimsy grounds. Some are speculating that he must be from Hawaii.

No, the only thing that sucks...

Is the fact that you guys can not even remotely discuss the topic. I mean you guys get so far off topic, so quickly, it's fucking amazing.

Let me repeat a very simple thing that anyone that still thinks this is a joke needs to pay attention to.

The FBI was investigating the actions of some Russian spies who were trying to groom American assets. The FBI TOLD CARTER PAGE who they were and what they were trying to do. Carter Page fucking ignored the FBI's warning and kept cooperating with the Russian spies and even ramped up his game.

So how in the wide wide world do you think the FBI was not justified in getting a FISA warrant on Page? THEY WARNED HIM OF EXACTLY WHO AND WHAT THE GUYS WERE. Page still did his thing.

You desperately need to ignore the fact that the FISA warrants were obtained illegally against American citizens.....with the okay of the leadership of the FBI and the Department of Justice, likely with the approval of the White House since an operation against the opposition party is so far outside legitimate activity that it makes the Plumbers and Watergate a nothing burger in comparison.....

They weren't obtained illegally. They followed the FISA warrant process.

Your brain is stuck on this idea it was based only based off the Steele dossier. That's fucking wrong. Page was under investigation as far back as 2013 because he didn't listen to the FBI's warnings.

Do you have any idea how rare it is that the FBI would actually warn an American citizen beforehand like this? Basically exposing that the Russian spies covers had been blown? Yet Page ignored that lifeline and even doubled down when he went to Russia and praised Russia and made anti-American statements.

... but then again Trump supporters suddenly like Russia and Putin now.

The FISA warrant process isn't supposed to be based on phony documents paid for by the opposition candidate for the office of President.

 

[Crepitus]

FBI releases Carter Page surveillance warrant documents - CNNPolitics

This is nice

"The FBI believes that Page has been collaborating and conspiring with the Russian government," the application states, adding that "there is probable cause that such activities involve or are about to involve violations of the criminal statutes of the United States."

Not, "we have evidence that shows" or even "we have reason to think that" but "we believe...."????

Freedom of religion is a good thing but to apply that to Orwellian spy practices....

Did you miss the phrase "probable cause"?

That's a legal term with a very specific definition.

Probable Cause

There are standards that must be met far beyond "we think so".

 

[bripat9643]

As we all knew, when the truth came out, the Nunes memo was total bullshit.




FBI releases Carter Page surveillance warrant documents - CNNPolitics

The memo is out, you can't lie anymore...

I don't lie. It's right there in black and white kid. Proof Nunes's memo was false. The republican congress-critters are the liars in this story.

Where is the proof that Nunez's memo is false? Please quote the relevant text.

 

[Crepitus]

FBI releases Carter Page surveillance warrant documents - CNNPolitics

This is nice

"The FBI believes that Page has been collaborating and conspiring with the Russian government," the application states, adding that "there is probable cause that such activities involve or are about to involve violations of the criminal statutes of the United States."

Not, "we have evidence that shows" or even "we have reason to think that" but "we believe...."????

Freedom of religion is a good thing but to apply that to Orwellian spy practices....

They used the Steele dossier payed for and created by hilary to get those FISA warrants..... comey and sally yates signed off on the applications... they need to be arrested for lying to several federal judges.... this goes to the White House....and it is the biggest political scandal in our history..... a sitting President and his people used fake information to get FISA warrants, by lying to federal judges so they could spy on the opposition campaign....nothing the Plumbers did comes close to this, and the Plumbers weren't the leadership of the FBI, and the Department of Justice...and since the emails from Strzoke and Page state that the White House wanted to be kept informed, it goes to the President as well.....

Massive scandal....

The left can play the game.... but this is a massive scandal.......

There is no scandal.

 

[bripat9643]

You really need to ask why the FBI would be investigating Russian SPIES who are trying to groom American assets IN THE UNITED STATES?

No, I'm asking what led the FBI to believe that Carter Page was being 'groomed' by Russian spies

Are you brain dead?

I've heard that question before, I don't think I am but I guess my opinion is a bit biased...

Why would they believe the Russian were trying to groom Carter Page? Because they had been investigating the Russian spies for a long time and they had intercepted their communications which included them talking about how Carter Page was getting whatever information they asked for and saying how Page was an idiot.

What classified information did Carter Page have access to?