First two steps in solving the illegal immigration problem

[Amelia]

The first which comes to the minds of many is: Secure the border.

I think this one competes with that for most important: At least make it seem like a strong possibility that we will actually enforce our immigration laws.



If illegal immigrants seriously believe that they could be deported simply for being here illegally and if they seriously believe that we'll start enforcing laws in connection with the hiring of undocumented workers, many will choose to go home so that they can do it on their own terms.

And a lot more potential illegal immigrants will decide not to risk coming here at all if they think there is a significant chance they could be sent back or not find a job.




Maybe then we might only have say 6 or 8 million to worry about the costs of, instead of 11 million or whatever the current number is.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

If illegal immigrants seriously believe that they could be deported simply for being here illegally…

Why else would they be deported? Otherwise it’s clear they understand that, given deportations are up over the last administration. The issue isn’t deportation per se, but identifying those potentially guilty of other crimes and convicting them accordingly, followed by deportation.

…and if they seriously believe that we'll start enforcing laws in connection with the hiring of undocumented workers, many will choose to go home so that they can do it on their own terms.

Business leaders won’t stand for it, and they control the statehouses and Congress – Florida is the prime example. There are more illegal immigrants there than Arizona, and agribusiness turns a blind eye to undocumented workers and counts the profits with the other. In addition, the Nation benefits from the affordable fruits and vegetables available during winter.

Remember also those allegedly here illegally are entitled to due process, and can’t be subject to punitive measures without it, including deportation.

 

[Amelia]

If illegal immigrants seriously believe that they could be deported simply for being here illegally…

Why else would they be deported? Otherwise it’s clear they understand that, given deportations are up over the last administration. The issue isn’t deportation per se, but identifying those potentially guilty of other crimes and convicting them accordingly, followed by deportation.

…and if they seriously believe that we'll start enforcing laws in connection with the hiring of undocumented workers, many will choose to go home so that they can do it on their own terms.

Business leaders won’t stand for it, and they control the statehouses and Congress – Florida is the prime example. There are more illegal immigrants there than Arizona, and agribusiness turns a blind eye to undocumented workers and counts the profits with the other. In addition, the Nation benefits from the affordable fruits and vegetables available during winter.

Remember also those allegedly here illegally are entitled to due process, and can’t be subject to punitive measures without it, including deportation.

You answer your own question.

They know that they won't be deported simply for being here illegally. This administration has literally underscored this with official pronouncements. They know that if they come here and don't commit felonies they have pretty much won the lottery.

The odds need to be changed. It needs to look much more difficult to win this lottery. There needs to be a real chance that they'll be sent home when they are discovered here illegally, even if they haven't been dealing in drugs or whatever our government now deems sufficient cause to enforce the law.

 

[Amelia]

Business leaders won’t stand for it, and they control the statehouses and Congress – Florida is the prime example. There are more illegal immigrants there than Arizona, and agribusiness turns a blind eye to undocumented workers and counts the profits with the other. In addition, the Nation benefits from the affordable fruits and vegetables available during winter.

Remember also those allegedly here illegally are entitled to due process, and can’t be subject to punitive measures without it, including deportation.

That has to be fixed.

We have to hold people accountable for hiring illegals.

 

[MeBelle]

Whatever happened to E-verify?

 

[Amelia]

I dunno!

Why can't we get our act together? Who is in charge of compliance?

I've heard that employers can actually get in trouble for terminating someone's employment when they find out they're illegal. Is that so? I don't remember the exact details - was over a year ago that I heard about it. I seem to remember that it had something to do if someone gives a social security number and it seems okay so you hire them but then later find out through mismatches in paperwork that it was probably a fake, that maybe you could get in trouble for using that information to terminate employment.

Any bells?

 

[Mr. President]

Lets be honest you deport them and they take the same tunnel back into America. Gee one less week in America all they did was grab another family member and come back over here learning what mistake not to make again to be caught. The solution is clear.
1. Remove NAFTA.
2. Secure the border via military and increase border patrol agents
3. Mass deportation 12 Judges 12 lines No papers = Bye Bye
4. Penalize Mexico for not assisting in controlling the borders economically and militarily

Nothing less will work

 

[LilOlLady]

The first which comes to the minds of many is: Secure the border.

I think this one competes with that for most important: At least make it seem like a strong possibility that we will actually enforce our immigration laws.



If illegal immigrants seriously believe that they could be deported simply for being here illegally and if they seriously believe that we'll start enforcing laws in connection with the hiring of undocumented workers, many will choose to go home so that they can do it on their own terms.

And a lot more potential illegal immigrants will decide not to risk coming here at all if they think there is a significant chance they could be sent back or not find a job.




Maybe then we might only have say 6 or 8 million to worry about the costs of, instead of 11 million or whatever the current number is.

In the past when deportations were in progress, they majority self deportated. But going after employers is the best way because if they cannot work them will leave. Any job in Mexico is better than no job here and there are jobs in Mexico comprable to Mexico's cost of living. Those who are working are doing quite well. Unemployment in Mexico is at a historical high, 4./5%. Many businesses have move to Mexico thus providing jobs. The best american jobs are in Mexico. Americans are going to find work in Mexico.
A friend of mines grandson is working construction in Venuezuela.

 

[JakeStarkey]

(sigh) answer: Big Business won't stand for it.