First it was Medicare, Then it was a movie, now it is the UE rate

JRK

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Libs there comes a time in which you have to admit that your being lied to by the very people your supporting
There comes a point in which ALL of us Americans no matter what our beliefs are have to face the facts
ENOUGH
Medicare spending has not been touched for 2013. How can we save 700 billion dollars to pay for Obamacare without cutting the budget?

We were attacked on 9-11-2012, not anything else and brave Americans died

Now this
The UE rate dropping like it did today by adding a little over 100,000 jobs is such an event that is so obviously a lie, debating it is a waste of your time

Liberals you have been conned
There comes a time in every relationship when no matter how bad it hurts, you have to face the truth

This is not what this country needs
I truly am saddened to see the level of desperation and deception the leadership of the democratic party has stopped to

Libs you have choice to make in a few weeks. This is not about W
it is not about the rich, the poor, taxes

It is about this country and what kind of leaders you choose to represent you
nothing else

What are you going to do?
 
Medicare spending has not been touched for 2013. How can we save 700 billion dollars to pay for Obamacare without cutting the budget?

By improving the way it does business, as the reforms being implemented now are doing. And Medicare spending growth is drastically slowing, surprising the bean counters at CBO.

But the report also noted that for the third year in a row, CBO expects the growth in Medicare spending in 2012 to be “substantially slower” than anticipated earlier in the year.

CBO Director Doug Elmendorf said at a press conference that the slower growth in Medicare is consistent with slower health care cost growth throughout the economy, which many analysts have observed. But he said it’s still unclear why the slowdown is happening.

Note the trend since late 2009 for Medicare in Standard & Poor's health care indices:

SPHealthcare_June_2012_Chart.png


To reiterate the point:

Slower Growth in Medicare Spending — Is This the New Normal? | NEJM
For many years, policymakers have appropriately singled out federal spending on health care — especially Medicare — as the most serious long-term threat to the nation's fiscal health. Over the past four decades, the average growth in Medicare spending per enrollee has exceeded the growth in per capita gross domestic product by 2.6 percentage points per year. This trend is unsustainable: if it continued, Medicare would consume all federal revenues by 2060.

But there are indications that Medicare spending growth has slowed. One highly visible gauge of Medicare spending trends is the standard monthly Part B premium, which is set by the Medicare actuary to cover one quarter of total Part B spending. In August 2011, the actuary projected that the Part B premium for 2012 would be $106.60, but the actual premium was set in November at only $99.90. A much broader indicator of a slowing trend is the fact that growth in Medicare outlays per enrollee in 2010 and 2011 was roughly in line with growth in the economy (see graph). And in January 2012, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) made a $69 billion downward revision to its 10-year Medicare spending projection — a technical correction that reflects emerging data showing surprisingly slow growth in outlays. Similar slowing trends have led to positive earnings surprises for publicly traded insurers.
In site visits and interviews conducted for our ongoing qualitative research, the Center for Studying Health System Change found strong provider interest in payment reform and efforts to prepare for it, with the prospect of increasing constraint on Medicare payment rates cited as motivation. We see a combination of reformed delivery of care and broader units of payment as having the potential to allow providers to generate savings through steps that are less threatening to quality of care and access than are cuts in payment rates.


Medicare spending in surprising slowdown | UPI.com
U.S. Medicare spending growth has slowed even as enrollment rises, and could remain below targets set by Congress for the next 10 years, experts said.

Medicare recorded a sharp drop in the volume of doctor visits and other outpatient services early in 2010, from an annual growth rate of 4 percent growth to less than 2 percent.

"We thought, 'Wow, what's happening?'" chief Medicare actuary Rick Foster told The Washington Post in an interview. "Part B cost growth has slowed down so much, we're seeing virtually the lowest rates ever."


Washington Stuck Fighting Wrong Health-Care Battle | Bloomberg
This brings us back to the progress being made beyond the Beltway toward a better combination of cost and quality in health care. Consistent with other evidence that points to a deceleration in cost pressures is a Congressional Budget Office report earlier this month showing that Medicare spending has risen less than 3 percent over the past year.

Bending The Health Care Cost Curve: More Than Meets The Eye? | Health Affairs Blog
During the past months, a number of important articles have appeared in the healthcare literature on the subject of the recent slowing of health-spending growth in the U.S. In an article in January’s Health Affairs, economists at the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services suggest that the recession, even though officially ending in mid-2009, was the major factor in “extraordinarily slow” spending growth of 4.7 percent in 2008 and 3.9 percent in 2010, down from 7.5 percent in 2007 and double-digit growth in the 1980s and 1990s. Also citing recessionary causes, a report from the McKinsey Center for U.S. Health System Reform specifies declines in the rate of overall spending growth for eight consecutive years, from 9.2 percent in 2002 to 4.0 percent in 2009.

The purpose of this commentary is to suggest—through observations and data analyses—that independent of the recession, other fundamental and structural changes are likely contributing to the flattening of the cost curve, and further, that these changes have the potential to significantly alter the curve’s path into the future. Two independent analyses support this premise.
 
Nothing will convince them. He is their Dear Leader . They believe everything that comes out of his mouth.. THey love the free stuff they get , They just forget the people work for that free stuff they get it , It is just not them.
 
Medicare spending has not been touched for 2013. How can we save 700 billion dollars to pay for Obamacare without cutting the budget?

By improving the way it does business, as the reforms being implemented now are doing. And Medicare spending growth is drastically slowing, surprising the bean counters at CBO.

But the report also noted that for the third year in a row, CBO expects the growth in Medicare spending in 2012 to be “substantially slower” than anticipated earlier in the year.

CBO Director Doug Elmendorf said at a press conference that the slower growth in Medicare is consistent with slower health care cost growth throughout the economy, which many analysts have observed. But he said it’s still unclear why the slowdown is happening.

Note the trend since late 2009 for Medicare in Standard & Poor's health care indices:

SPHealthcare_June_2012_Chart.png


To reiterate the point:

Slower Growth in Medicare Spending — Is This the New Normal? | NEJM




Medicare spending in surprising slowdown | UPI.com



Washington Stuck Fighting Wrong Health-Care Battle | Bloomberg
This brings us back to the progress being made beyond the Beltway toward a better combination of cost and quality in health care. Consistent with other evidence that points to a deceleration in cost pressures is a Congressional Budget Office report earlier this month showing that Medicare spending has risen less than 3 percent over the past year.

Bending The Health Care Cost Curve: More Than Meets The Eye? | Health Affairs Blog
During the past months, a number of important articles have appeared in the healthcare literature on the subject of the recent slowing of health-spending growth in the U.S. In an article in January’s Health Affairs, economists at the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services suggest that the recession, even though officially ending in mid-2009, was the major factor in “extraordinarily slow” spending growth of 4.7 percent in 2008 and 3.9 percent in 2010, down from 7.5 percent in 2007 and double-digit growth in the 1980s and 1990s. Also citing recessionary causes, a report from the McKinsey Center for U.S. Health System Reform specifies declines in the rate of overall spending growth for eight consecutive years, from 9.2 percent in 2002 to 4.0 percent in 2009.

The purpose of this commentary is to suggest—through observations and data analyses—that independent of the recession, other fundamental and structural changes are likely contributing to the flattening of the cost curve, and further, that these changes have the potential to significantly alter the curve’s path into the future. Two independent analyses support this premise.

To start with Obama care does not kick in except for tax increases until 2013
If we can save it
Obama should cut the spending
There has been no budget in his entire presidency except adding 4-500 billion to Ws last one and then adding 6% each year after
 
Nothing will convince them. He is their Dear Leader . They believe everything that comes out of his mouth.. THey love the free stuff they get , They just forget the people work for that free stuff they get it , It is just not them.

And 1.1 trillion dollars printed in 2012
 
It amazes me that any-one really believes that Obama-care is going to somehow create millions of jobs while watching a movie that makes you attack a safe house that was suppose to be
never mind

If Obama-care can save 700 billion dollars in medicare then the cuts begin in the 2013 budget
 
To start with Obama care does not kick in except for tax increases until 2013

Huh? Obamacare's Medicare reforms have already begun.

It provided the tools needed for the long-term structural reforms for getting costs under control. Common sense approaches to fixing Medicare like: (1) shift the way Medicare pays for services away from encouraging high-volume, low (or mediocre) value service provision, and (2) promote and assist health care providers in delivering better care more efficiently and less expensively, while holding them accountable for quality outcomes.

Some examples of things that are already happening:


They're taking a page out of the book of industry leaders like the Mayo Clinic, the Geisinger Health System, Intermountain Healthcare (which even got a shoutout from Romney in the debate!), Kaiser Permanente, etc. and spreading the model to help more people via Medicare:

July 10, 2012 WASHINGTON – Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius announced Monday that 89 new accountable care organizations (ACOs) have joined the Medicare Shared Savings Program as of July 1.

The 89 new organizations join 27 other ACOs that were announced last April to participate in the Shared Savings Program.

According to HHS, this brings the total number of federally sponsored ACOs to 154, including the 32 ACOs participating in the testing of the Pioneer ACO Model by CMS' Center for Medicare and Medicaid Innovation (Innovation Center) announced last December, and six Physician Group Practice Transition Demonstration organizations that started in January 2011.

“Better coordinated care is good for patients and it saves money,” said Sebelius. “We applaud every one of these doctors, hospitals, health centers and others for working together to ensure millions of people with Medicare get better, more patient-centered, coordinated care.”

2013 indeed!
 
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Now this
The UE rate dropping like it did today by adding a little over 100,000 jobs is such an event that is so obviously a lie, debating it is a waste of your time

...

It may not be a lie, but it is highly suspect. Even if the numbers are true, the BLS explanation shows how bad it really is:

The number of persons employed part time for economic reasons (sometimes referred to as involuntary part-time workers) rose from 8.0 million in August to 8.6 million in September. These individuals were working part time because their hours had been cut back or because they were unable to find a full-time job.
 
To start with Obama care does not kick in except for tax increases until 2013

Huh? Obamacare's Medicare reforms have already begun.

It provided the tools needed for the long-term structural reforms for getting costs under control. Common sense approaches to fixing Medicare like: (1) shift the way Medicare pays for services away from encouraging high-volume, low (or mediocre) value service provision, and (2) promote and assist health care providers in delivering better care more efficiently and less expensively, while holding them accountable for quality outcomes.

Some examples of things that are already happening:


They're taking a page out of the book of industry leaders like the Mayo Clinic, the Geisinger Health System, Intermountain Healthcare (which even got a shoutout from Romney in the debate!), Kaiser Permanente, etc. and spreading the model to help more people via Medicare:

July 10, 2012 WASHINGTON – Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius announced Monday that 89 new accountable care organizations (ACOs) have joined the Medicare Shared Savings Program as of July 1.

The 89 new organizations join 27 other ACOs that were announced last April to participate in the Shared Savings Program.

According to HHS, this brings the total number of federally sponsored ACOs to 154, including the 32 ACOs participating in the testing of the Pioneer ACO Model by CMS' Center for Medicare and Medicaid Innovation (Innovation Center) announced last December, and six Physician Group Practice Transition Demonstration organizations that started in January 2011.

“Better coordinated care is good for patients and it saves money,” said Sebelius. “We applaud every one of these doctors, hospitals, health centers and others for working together to ensure millions of people with Medicare get better, more patient-centered, coordinated care.”

2013 indeed!

yea my ins went up 25%

again why is it the budget does not reflect these savings?
 
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Now this
The UE rate dropping like it did today by adding a little over 100,000 jobs is such an event that is so obviously a lie, debating it is a waste of your time

...

It may not be a lie, but it is highly suspect. Even if the numbers are true, the BLS explanation shows how bad it really is:

The number of persons employed part time for economic reasons (sometimes referred to as involuntary part-time workers) rose from 8.0 million in August to 8.6 million in September. These individuals were working part time because their hours had been cut back or because they were unable to find a full-time job.

thats sad
Its a lie and that is not partisan
 

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