Johnson First Intro of Johnson/Weld to the public by CNN..

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    CNN gave one hour to introduce Johnson and Weld to the public in a Town Hall that featured questions from the audience.
    This one hour show is available on podcast at the link below.. You might just click it on while pounding your USUAL Rep and Dem opponents on the size of hands, or email troubles or the latest cute names that the candidates come up with for one another. Might actually remind you of the myriad of CRITICAL issues that need to be addressed in this country -- or keep coasting to mediocrity and irrelevance in the world..


    Libertarian town hall: 5 takeaways - CNNPolitics.com

    Happy to be the spoiler
    The Libertarians made clear that they're well aware of the challenges they face in winning the election as a third party in a country where Republicans and Democrats have dominated for more than a century. But if spoiling the election for Clinton or Trump by taking away votes is a concession prize, they'll take it.
    "I'd feel just fine" if Libertarians acted as a spoiler in the election, Johnson said. "I believe that the two-party system is a two-party dinosaur and that they're about to come in contact with the comet here. I think that's a real possibility."

    Johnson doesn't go 'full libertarian' on drugs
    Unlike Ron Paul, who made a case for legalizing all drugs when he ran for the Republican nomination in 2012, Johnson said Wednesday he is against loosening drug laws beyond marijuana.
    "We are not espousing the legalization of any drugs outside of marijuana," Johnson said when asked about his drug policies by a mother who said her son was a recovering drug addict.
    Johnson advocated for harm reduction programs around the world that provide clean needles and supervised injection sites, but stopped short of advocating for the legalization of drugs.

    Johnson isn't looking for new gun controls
    A survivor of the terrorist attack at a gay nightclub in Orlando, Florida, asked the candidates about their position on guns. Instead of calling for loosening regulations on gun ownership, Johnson defended current laws barring certain types of weapons.
    "I don't think our position would be to make it easier" to obtain guns, Johnson said. "We're not looking to roll back anything."
    He went on to defend laws that have long banned automatic weapons, but suggested he would not support banning semi-automatic rifles.
    Johnson was critical of efforts among Democrats and even some Republicans to keep firearms away from Americans suspected of crimes on the "terror list" or "no-fly list."
    "All of these government lists are subject to error," Johnson said.
    Johnson and Weld said they would be open to discussions about how to better keep firearms out of the hands of the "mentally ill" and "potential terrorists," and proposed an FBI task force to investigate ISIS supporters as though it were "organized crime."

    Weld as attack dog
    Johnson abstained when given the chance to personally knock Trump and Clinton.
    "I don't think either of us are going to engage in any sort of name-calling," Johnson said. "We're going to keep this to the issues, and the issues are plenty." (Indeed, Johnson was critical of Trump's immigration plan and other issues.)
    When asked about President Barack Obama, Johnson called him "a good guy." He said Clinton was "a wonderful public servant." And Trump? "I'm sure there's something good to say about Donald somewhere."
    Not so much for Weld, who called Trump a "huckster" and repeated a comparison he had made previously between Trump's immigration plan and Nazi Germany.

    Abolish the IRS? Well...
    When party tickets have a policy disagreement, they traditionally find a way to keep it to themselves. But in at least one instance--on a key policy position--Johnson and Weld don't see eye to eye.
    Johnson supports a broad-based consumption tax, essentially a levy on goods and services, to replace the federal income tax, which he said would allow him to abolish the Internal Revenue Service as President. But Weld wouldn't quite go that far.
    "I don't think we need to go as far as to abolish the IRS," Weld said.
    The statement prompted Johnson to defend his position, launching a micro-debate among the running mates.
    "If you did away with the IRS, 80% of lobbyists would go away, because they're there to garner special tax favors," Johnson said.




    I've summarize the summary for copyright. So at least glance over the full "condensed" report from CNN.
     
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    Here is my question to you and it is how do you get the sheep to think about voting outside the two party system?

    I have seen many replies to me that I am always wasting my vote because I will not vote for Trump or Clinton and will vote for Johnson, and it make me realize so many people just not on here but across this nation seem to believe that voting for the third party candidate is a wasted vote.
     
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    Johnson is wrong in so many ways on his de facto endorsement of a VAT. but I will pick just one.

    The US is the largest importer of used but usable capital equipment because of no VAT and it is the main driver of productivity in this country.
     
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    There are actually 3 proposals in the US that would replace the income tax as the primary source of Federal revenue. There is the "fair tax" which IS a consumption tax but doesn't have the Cumulative effect of a true VAT, the flat tax with is a couple FIXED brackets with no deductions, and there is the "X tax" which is kinda a hybrid of the two. .

    I don't think Johnson's endorsement of a "consumption tax" is set in stone. It STILL requires extensive collection and accounting and excuses corporations from contributions. I PREFER a flat tax which would still be on the table and enable simple Adjustments between corporate and private contributions and almost BRAINLESS filing at the end of every year.
     
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    I doubt corporations will like loosing their tax deductions...
     
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    How do supermarkets get consumers to choose their house brand rather then the Name Brand? Largest motivator is CHOICE. We are pro-choice on damn near everything. If you can get great governance at a lower cost, and avoid all the commercials and slick marketing -- why not?

    Seriously -- It's a matter of national survival. These parties are disenfranchising voters in MANY ways.

    1) The parties virtually RUN the Congress. Nothing happens without the 4 party bosses deciding on POLITICAL strategy over performance. Even a MINOR presence of 3rd party un-muzzled candidates will serve to inform the voters about all the "inside baseball" bullshit like gerrymandering, leaving party members stranded by deciding NOT to run party candidates in losing districts,, etc. What is MORE wasted than have to YOUR PARTY decide not to provide a candidate in a losing district? OR mess with super-delegates that have 10,000 more votes than you do?

    2) The politicians THEMSELVES are really now disposable. If they DON'T toe the party line, they will find themselves working out of a Capitol Hill broom closet. Or LOSING committee seats. OR being "primaried out" in their next election cycle. This chilling effect on their effectiveness to represent their constituents is a clear danger to our Republic.

    3) Voting for the lesser of the evils is how we GOT to this rotten choice in the 1st place. It's REWARDING the parties for manipulating voters into voting for POWER and not PRINCIPLE. It's WHY both the DNC and RNC are experiencing SERIOUS internal divisions this cycle. Because even INTRA-party debate is being controlled and muzzled.

    If voters continue to REWARD these 2 ever increasingly powerful special interest corporations -- the slide into the mud and the circus like elections will continue. This year is different. Listen to 2 moderate governors who have BATTLED the Federal govt on many fronts in these podcasts. There are ideas, proposals and fresh debate in everything they touch on.. This is a good thing. And it make contact with the voters this time around.. .
     
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    flacaltenn Do you support him??

    I have not really seen anything so far about him that has my interest. Plus I am conservative on many social issues, and Libertarians are not - - at least to my knowledge.

    Plus it bothers me that he is an admitted pothead.
     
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    This treat good.

    I am votes on Johnson or Trump as well.

    A male president I want.
     
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    Johnson is about the most sane person running that has any limelight. However, his stances on immigration are worry-some.
    He wants trucks to pass each other on the border at 50MPH?
    No
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