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[Silhouette]

One, you are a committed single issue anti fossil fuel person.
Two. You believe we could implement your fart gas, leaf spinach, sunshine forever energy ideas NOW....And to do this, you wish the use of all fossil fuels to end NOW...
Right.
Your hero Obama believes the same nonsense. And in order to further his agenda, he will ram it down our throats.
Yeah well guess what tree hugger, fossil fuels are here to stay. Oil is the economic lubricant which keeps this country and the world moving.
As long as you anti fossil fuel people keep using fossil fuels and enjoying the modern conveniences of fossil fuels, you should just shut up.
Newsflash....EVERYTHING pollutes. And the Earth cleanses itself.
Look, if you want a crusade, go to China and bitch at them.

Not at all. There will always be a place for petrolium in making plastics, fueling big workhorse rigs that need diesel, airline fuels and other petrolium products. We just need to cut back on their use. I know since you are invested heavily in the industry, the words "cut back on their use" is like fingernails on a chalkboard. But let's face it. You've had your hayday and thensome, to the point of massive climate change that only seems to be getting progressively more extreme and unpredictable in a new exponential curve.

Switch over to another trade, one more innovative, more benign to the terrarium we're all stuck in, one tailored to the trends of the 21st Century. Do I really have to explain the basics of investing to you? FOLLOW THE TRENDS. Don't stubbornly try to insist that everyone else remake reailty so that your "Emperor's New Clothes" can be "fashionable" still.

Cripes, when you start injecting corrosive and putrid solvents into blasted areas of shale just below pristine and manifestly essential aquifers, causing earthquake flurries and pollution that when [not if] lateral shear earthquakes compromise well casings, can never be accessed to clean up, you are desperate man! Desperate!

Try a dose of sanity. Spend your energy, your arguments and time lobbying Congress for a monopoly on benign energy sources. Got another simple economic tip for you: If you do that instead, you would be able to keep charging the same as if you were still engaged in expensive mining and refining processes, but instead getting your energy from the sun or geothermal resources, wind etc and reducing your overhead like a big dog. That equals massive increases in profits.

Like duh.

 

[thereisnospoon]

One, you are a committed single issue anti fossil fuel person.
Two. You believe we could implement your fart gas, leaf spinach, sunshine forever energy ideas NOW....And to do this, you wish the use of all fossil fuels to end NOW...
Right.
Your hero Obama believes the same nonsense. And in order to further his agenda, he will ram it down our throats.
Yeah well guess what tree hugger, fossil fuels are here to stay. Oil is the economic lubricant which keeps this country and the world moving.
As long as you anti fossil fuel people keep using fossil fuels and enjoying the modern conveniences of fossil fuels, you should just shut up.
Newsflash....EVERYTHING pollutes. And the Earth cleanses itself.
Look, if you want a crusade, go to China and bitch at them.

Not at all. There will always be a place for petrolium in making plastics, fueling big workhorse rigs that need diesel, airline fuels and other petrolium products. We just need to cut back on their use. I know since you are invested heavily in the industry, the words "cut back on their use" is like fingernails on a chalkboard. But let's face it. You've had your hayday and thensome, to the point of massive climate change that only seems to be getting progressively more extreme and unpredictable in a new exponential curve.

Switch over to another trade, one more innovative, more benign to the terrarium we're all stuck in, one tailored to the trends of the 21st Century. Do I really have to explain the basics of investing to you? FOLLOW THE TRENDS. Don't stubbornly try to insist that everyone else remake reailty so that your "Emperor's New Clothes" can be "fashionable" still.

Cripes, when you start injecting corrosive and putrid solvents into blasted areas of shale just below pristine and manifestly essential aquifers, causing earthquake flurries and pollution that when [not if] lateral shear earthquakes compromise well casings, can never be accessed to clean up, you are desperate man! Desperate!

Try a dose of sanity. Spend your energy, your arguments and time lobbying Congress for a monopoly on benign energy sources. Got another simple economic tip for you: If you do that instead, you would be able to keep charging the same as if you were still engaged in expensive mining and refining processes, but instead getting your energy from the sun or geothermal resources, wind etc and reducing your overhead like a big dog. That equals massive increases in profits.

Like duh.

From where you get this impending and certain disaster shit is a mystery.
All of these so called alternative energy sources are wonderful innovations.
At this point, these sources are neither practical, marketable or economically feasible.
Develop them, yes.
Produce the technology to readily distribute them as a reasonable rate or price? Absolutely.
Stop watching alarmist propaganda such as those dopey "gasland" movies on HBO....Most of the content is pure bullshit.

 

[Silhouette]

From where you get this impending and certain disaster shit is a mystery.
All of these so called alternative energy sources are wonderful innovations.
At this point, these sources are neither practical, marketable or economically feasible.
Develop them, yes.
Produce the technology to readily distribute them as a reasonable rate or price? Absolutely.
Stop watching alarmist propaganda such as those dopey "gasland" movies on HBO....Most of the content is pure bullshit.

Yeah, complete mystery.

At this point the alternative power sources are not only practical, they're cheaper, net their investors more money and most have been invented many many decades ago or even centuries ago but were actively quashed to keep from competing with BigOil, PRECISELY BECAUSE they are more efficient, easy to run and therefore present the most real and present danger to BigCarbon's monopoly on energy.

Y'all argue through your wallets and everybody knows it. That cat has long ago been let out of the bag..

What I'm saying is just go to Congress, pad the usual pockets, keep your god damned monopolies and MAKE MORE MONEY WHILE YOU'RE DOING IT. Why does trashing the planet have to be part of your insane wealth? Become insanely wealthy by being a good steward of the the old home place so you can sleep better at night atop that pile of gold.

 

[Old Rocks]

One, you are a committed single issue anti fossil fuel person.
Two. You believe we could implement your fart gas, leaf spinach, sunshine forever energy ideas NOW....And to do this, you wish the use of all fossil fuels to end NOW...
Right.
Your hero Obama believes the same nonsense. And in order to further his agenda, he will ram it down our throats.
Yeah well guess what tree hugger, fossil fuels are here to stay. Oil is the economic lubricant which keeps this country and the world moving.
As long as you anti fossil fuel people keep using fossil fuels and enjoying the modern conveniences of fossil fuels, you should just shut up.
Newsflash....EVERYTHING pollutes. And the Earth cleanses itself.
Look, if you want a crusade, go to China and bitch at them.

Not at all. There will always be a place for petrolium in making plastics, fueling big workhorse rigs that need diesel, airline fuels and other petrolium products. We just need to cut back on their use. I know since you are invested heavily in the industry, the words "cut back on their use" is like fingernails on a chalkboard. But let's face it. You've had your hayday and thensome, to the point of massive climate change that only seems to be getting progressively more extreme and unpredictable in a new exponential curve.

Switch over to another trade, one more innovative, more benign to the terrarium we're all stuck in, one tailored to the trends of the 21st Century. Do I really have to explain the basics of investing to you? FOLLOW THE TRENDS. Don't stubbornly try to insist that everyone else remake reailty so that your "Emperor's New Clothes" can be "fashionable" still.

Cripes, when you start injecting corrosive and putrid solvents into blasted areas of shale just below pristine and manifestly essential aquifers, causing earthquake flurries and pollution that when [not if] lateral shear earthquakes compromise well casings, can never be accessed to clean up, you are desperate man! Desperate!

Try a dose of sanity. Spend your energy, your arguments and time lobbying Congress for a monopoly on benign energy sources. Got another simple economic tip for you: If you do that instead, you would be able to keep charging the same as if you were still engaged in expensive mining and refining processes, but instead getting your energy from the sun or geothermal resources, wind etc and reducing your overhead like a big dog. That equals massive increases in profits.

Like duh.

From where you get this impending and certain disaster shit is a mystery.
All of these so called alternative energy sources are wonderful innovations.
At this point, these sources are neither practical, marketable or economically feasible.
Develop them, yes.
Produce the technology to readily distribute them as a reasonable rate or price? Absolutely.
Stop watching alarmist propaganda such as those dopey "gasland" movies on HBO....Most of the content is pure bullshit.

And you are completely full of shit. Wind increased at the rate of 18% last year, solar at the rate of 15%. Pretty damned impressive. That is worldwide figures. Love to have a bank account like that. Solar, projected in 2014 to increase 50% or more in the US. Impressive for something not marketable or economically feasable.

 

[percysunshine]

Ethanol is another viable energy source, when the taxpayer finances half the project cost.

 

[thereisnospoon]

From where you get this impending and certain disaster shit is a mystery.
All of these so called alternative energy sources are wonderful innovations.
At this point, these sources are neither practical, marketable or economically feasible.
Develop them, yes.
Produce the technology to readily distribute them as a reasonable rate or price? Absolutely.
Stop watching alarmist propaganda such as those dopey "gasland" movies on HBO....Most of the content is pure bullshit.

Yeah, complete mystery.

At this point the alternative power sources are not only practical, they're cheaper, net their investors more money and most have been invented many many decades ago or even centuries ago but were actively quashed to keep from competing with BigOil, PRECISELY BECAUSE they are more efficient, easy to run and therefore present the most real and present danger to BigCarbon's monopoly on energy.

Y'all argue through your wallets and everybody knows it. That cat has long ago been let out of the bag..

What I'm saying is just go to Congress, pad the usual pockets, keep your god damned monopolies and MAKE MORE MONEY WHILE YOU'RE DOING IT. Why does trashing the planet have to be part of your insane wealth? Become insanely wealthy by being a good steward of the the old home place so you can sleep better at night atop that pile of gold.

They are MUCH more expensive.
look, you are a hand wringing environmentalist.
You make these claims yet provide no data.
If these energy sources were as you claim, they's be in mass market right now. Investment would have these energy stocks soaring. They aren't. In fact many of these companies are going out of business or have sought bankruptcy protection.
No one is "trashing the planet"...That sister, is all in your mind.
I suppose when yo saw "An Inconvenient Truth" you wept during the polar bear on ice scene.
Ethanol is a fail. Battery technology has not changed in decades. Same problems. Solar is just too expensive for the average middle class person to afford. Even WITH the federal subsidies. Although, solar panels for homes will be in reach in the next ten years. That does not mean inexpensive. That means within reach.
Watch this....
Do you have a pension? Mutual Fund? 401K?....Chances are your portfolio or fund is invested in GASP!!!!!..........Oil company stocks!!!!! O-M-G..

 

[thereisnospoon]

Not at all. There will always be a place for petrolium in making plastics, fueling big workhorse rigs that need diesel, airline fuels and other petrolium products. We just need to cut back on their use. I know since you are invested heavily in the industry, the words "cut back on their use" is like fingernails on a chalkboard. But let's face it. You've had your hayday and thensome, to the point of massive climate change that only seems to be getting progressively more extreme and unpredictable in a new exponential curve.

Switch over to another trade, one more innovative, more benign to the terrarium we're all stuck in, one tailored to the trends of the 21st Century. Do I really have to explain the basics of investing to you? FOLLOW THE TRENDS. Don't stubbornly try to insist that everyone else remake reailty so that your "Emperor's New Clothes" can be "fashionable" still.

Cripes, when you start injecting corrosive and putrid solvents into blasted areas of shale just below pristine and manifestly essential aquifers, causing earthquake flurries and pollution that when [not if] lateral shear earthquakes compromise well casings, can never be accessed to clean up, you are desperate man! Desperate!

Try a dose of sanity. Spend your energy, your arguments and time lobbying Congress for a monopoly on benign energy sources. Got another simple economic tip for you: If you do that instead, you would be able to keep charging the same as if you were still engaged in expensive mining and refining processes, but instead getting your energy from the sun or geothermal resources, wind etc and reducing your overhead like a big dog. That equals massive increases in profits.

Like duh.

From where you get this impending and certain disaster shit is a mystery.
All of these so called alternative energy sources are wonderful innovations.
At this point, these sources are neither practical, marketable or economically feasible.
Develop them, yes.
Produce the technology to readily distribute them as a reasonable rate or price? Absolutely.
Stop watching alarmist propaganda such as those dopey "gasland" movies on HBO....Most of the content is pure bullshit.

And you are completely full of shit. Wind increased at the rate of 18% last year, solar at the rate of 15%. Pretty damned impressive. That is worldwide figures. Love to have a bank account like that. Solar, projected in 2014 to increase 50% or more in the US. Impressive for something not marketable or economically feasable.

Show where we can run our vehicles, manufacture synthetic fabrics, manufacture paint, make plastics or build a roadway with a wind turbine...
BTW, I neither stated nor implied I was opposed to wind turbines or solar power.
Of course on planet liberal it is prohibited to question the liberal agenda.
Fuck off.

 

[thereisnospoon]

European utilities: How to lose half a trillion euros | The Economist

Brilliant.

 

[percysunshine]

...

This is what hurricane Andrew did to anything not made of steel or concrete;

 

[Andylusion]

Not at all. There will always be a place for petrolium in making plastics, fueling big workhorse rigs that need diesel, airline fuels and other petrolium products. We just need to cut back on their use. I know since you are invested heavily in the industry, the words "cut back on their use" is like fingernails on a chalkboard. But let's face it. You've had your hayday and thensome, to the point of massive climate change that only seems to be getting progressively more extreme and unpredictable in a new exponential curve.

Switch over to another trade, one more innovative, more benign to the terrarium we're all stuck in, one tailored to the trends of the 21st Century. Do I really have to explain the basics of investing to you? FOLLOW THE TRENDS. Don't stubbornly try to insist that everyone else remake reailty so that your "Emperor's New Clothes" can be "fashionable" still.

Cripes, when you start injecting corrosive and putrid solvents into blasted areas of shale just below pristine and manifestly essential aquifers, causing earthquake flurries and pollution that when [not if] lateral shear earthquakes compromise well casings, can never be accessed to clean up, you are desperate man! Desperate!

Try a dose of sanity. Spend your energy, your arguments and time lobbying Congress for a monopoly on benign energy sources. Got another simple economic tip for you: If you do that instead, you would be able to keep charging the same as if you were still engaged in expensive mining and refining processes, but instead getting your energy from the sun or geothermal resources, wind etc and reducing your overhead like a big dog. That equals massive increases in profits.

Like duh.

From where you get this impending and certain disaster shit is a mystery.
All of these so called alternative energy sources are wonderful innovations.
At this point, these sources are neither practical, marketable or economically feasible.
Develop them, yes.
Produce the technology to readily distribute them as a reasonable rate or price? Absolutely.
Stop watching alarmist propaganda such as those dopey "gasland" movies on HBO....Most of the content is pure bullshit.

And you are completely full of shit. Wind increased at the rate of 18% last year, solar at the rate of 15%. Pretty damned impressive. That is worldwide figures. Love to have a bank account like that. Solar, projected in 2014 to increase 50% or more in the US. Impressive for something not marketable or economically feasable.

Dude, wind only produces at most, about 20% of the capacity rating. When you see wind power increased by 1 megawatt, it really is only 200 Kilowatts.

That's the reality of the situation. The cost to produce the same number of wind turbines, as a single coal power plant, is drastically higher, and yet produces a fraction of the power. It's simply a tax money sink hole, not a viable power source.

Further there is a huge difference between "marketable or economically feasable", and socialized with government grants and subsidies.

Anything can be 'successful' if you have all the money in the world to toss at it. Give several billion to a government agency, and you can send people to the moon. Doesn't mean that it is "marketable or economically feasable" to have cars the fly and use a teaspoon of fuel to go 1,000 miles. Huge difference.

The moment those government subsidies and tax breaks disappear for Wind Turbines, so will the wind turbines. The wind turbine companies have said as much, and historically the drastic increase in wind turbines has only come with government subsidies and grants and tax breaks.

If Wind Turbine power was fundamentally economically sound and viable, it would never have required tax money to happen. Did government grants and subsidies fund the Ipod? Or Cell phones? Or the Model T Ford? Of course not. They were viable from the start without a penny of tax money. Wind Turbines are not.

 

[elektra]

More garbage propaganda, Solar plants can now produce 10,000xs the energy by being fueled by natural gas.

This is a Natural gas power plant surrounded by a Solar Plant.

In the past, Power Plants powered industry, Commercial Power Plants sold 10% of the power to residential households. Now without an industry to power, we have a billion dollar Natural Gas Powered Solar Plant expense providing electricity to a fraction of the population, an extreme expense and impact on the environment.

 

[Silhouette]

We are talking about, quite simply, steam that makes spinny things go round and round in a turbine generator. It's caveman technology. The only variable is how you get that steam or vapor flash to the turbine. Solar thermal sits there, without burning a gram of fuel that had to be mined, refined, transported etc. at enormous cost both financially and to the environment, and it simply concentrates the sun's rays upon a metal tube. Not a single gram of carbon released into the atmosphere as a result.

When talking about simple concave parabolic mirrors vs mining, trucking, solvents, refining, burning, air, ground and water pollution and all their "hidden" costs to this country, trying to convince me or anyone else that this is a loss is falling on deaf ears. A cynical carbon-industry schill [of which there are plenty paid to blog at sites like this online] is the only person who could see solar thermal steam as a "loss"...for personal reasons of course...lol...